Cubs vs. sox Position by Position

FastballDad......

Soxnole, itsrosy, FastballDad, BeenthereIL, who else did I miss????????????????????????

LET THE REAL CUBS / SOX BANTER BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just heard the story on TV that the sox are trading Garland to The Texas Rangers. They didn't say who was coming to Chicago but who do the Rangers have the sox want?

The sox may need to trade for Arod now to take a bit of luster off the north side.

Let the Cubs make the big money splash...trying to drive up the selling price??? How old will Soriano be at the end of this contract??? 39 or 49..depends on which birth certificate he is showing.

If the story about Garland is true, it has to mean were getting Michael Young.

If we get him, count 07 as a Sox kind of Championship year!

I almost feel sorry for Hendry, he makes a giant acquisition only to be out done by KW!

Rule #1: never trade a good starting pitcher (especially a young one who is your ACE) for a postion player.

Michael Young for Garland would be a net loss for the sox. Their other pitchers are over the hill or close to it.

There has to be more to it than that, KW woudl never make that trade.

Do the Sox have any pitching for 2007 ???

I don't see any if they trade Garland

FBD, Your pointing out the rule of not trading a top starting pitcher for a postition player is what Billy Beane and his disciples have been saying for years. Others in that same business of combing over stats and making comparisons evidently agree.

Soxnole, don't feel sorry for Hendry. He is on a major run and won't be fazed by anything Kenny Williams does. When you sign the number one free agent available, and a superstar at that, you've accomplished something.

Mykla, sour grapes? Why should you or anyone care "how old he'll be at the end of his contract"? He is 30 now and in the prime of his career. Players always sign their biggest contracts at this point in time, and when when they're over, the player is no longer a kid. Big deal! BTW, how do 22 assists from a first time left fielder sound?

Last time I checked Billy Beane has had limited success at best.

Garland for Young would be a huge gain for the Sox.

Michael Young is a better player than AS.

and.....I don't feel sorry for high life Hendry.

Sox, Michael Young is a great player. No doubt. You'd be giving up a top of the rotation pitcher to get him. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Getting Soriano as a free agent eliminates that debate and why would you feel it necessary to compare the two players? They play different postions and are both stars in their own right. Getting Soriano is a Cub thing, nothing to do with the Sox, so why do you automatically go in that direction?

How's that Boomer??? LOL.

Rosy

you cannot change the mind of soxnole--I have come to realize that his prejudices far outweigh any logic he may try to attain --- and that is sad

Soriano is a slight step ahead of Young imo, and the stats can prove that. Also, we did not have to give up our ace for him.

With this being said, I think that the Cubs are setting themselves up for a nice '07. Gain on the Cards. Astros are losing a lot, and the rest of the division is the rest of the division.

Interesting Fact as well, only 1 of the last 5 world series champs has made the playoffs the following year. Could bode well for Cubs.

PS-Fastball D. Lee is not a better player than konerko, 1 good year against several productive seasons.

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"Starting Pitching Even, but by opeing day the Cubs will have the upper hand."


"Bullpen, Cubs no questions asked.

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Fast...You almost had me with the Soriano move ....

but...unfortunately...Cubs starting pitching is a 2 on a scale of 10, while the Sox starting pitching is an 8 on a scale of 10...That, of course, assumes that the Sox trade Buehrle. Even I've had enough of "his hunting with dad stories" and his below average MLB velocity.

Sox 155-7 next year; and,

Cubbies: 16 wins for Zambrano and 146 losses for the rest of the pitchers. Better wear construction hats while walking outside WF during games...Lots of balls will be flying out for both teams.

Beenthere,

I like your reference to wearing construction hats. Soxnole probably thinks you're talking about his guy in the Village People!

Fanatic....One good season by D. Lee? Where have you been?

Konerko has 29 more HR Career, and per game it is almost itdentical (.11 per game). His BA is .007 higher. Other than that, every stat category offensively goes to Lee. Higher slugging, OBA, etc. Won't even mention the stolen base numbers. Konerko is the slowest runner in the majors, and last and by far from least is an absloute butcher in the field while Lee is a Gold-Glover. You won't find any rational baseball mind who would take Konerko over Lee except Soxnole. Oh, wait I said rational.

Beenthere, by the time 2007 is over, you will either revert back to being a Cub fan again or secretly rue the day you turned to the dark side.

1) Only cub and giant fan's have "favorite" village people.
2) Soriano and Young are both great players.
3) Soriano is a defensive and clubhouse liability.
4) In the last 4 years Young has outhit Soriano by an average of 37 points while Soriano hit 70 more homers. They both boast tremendous offensive numbers (Soriano Slugging .835 to .797)(Young OBP.344 to .325) but Soriano's poor attitude and shoddy defense definetely gives the edge to Young who is beloved by team mates and play's All-Star SS or 2B!
5) Garland is far from the "ace" of the staff. Imo, Big game Freddy, The Bronze Giant and yes, Mark Buehrle are ahead of him.

But....Garland to Texas hasn't come up on any news wires I have seen...so...fuhhgeddabouditt!

Watch out cubbie dudes...Soriano isn't going to be a pleasure to have around the club house with Mr. non-hustle Ramirez marching to his usual beat of me me me me me me me me me!

Lou certainly has his work cut out for him.

sox


You can trust that "Sweet Lou" will take care of business in the clubhouse and on the field.

Isnt it somewhat ironic that "Sweet Lou" shows up and the Hendry Purse Strings open up ?


And the Village People aint all bad---they made a lot of money being what they are--at least they are "real"

FB...I do not rationalize...I'll leave that to you!

But.....try to get the FACTS STRAIGHT though,..PULLLEEEZZE!

Konerko leads offensively in.......Games/AB/R/H/HR/RBI/AVG.....RBI by a mile!

My favorite Lee VS Konerko stat is this: Although Paulie has been to the plate 303 more times than Lee....Lee has STRUCK OUT 323 MORE TIMES than Mr. Konerko!

My second is this: At least Konerko knows he's slow, while Lee gets thrown out 43% of the time!

The Bottom Line: Konerko is a better leader and club house presence. I'll take that and his slightly better stats to the bank...along with that WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP that he has and Lee DOES NOT!

Sox,

Where did you ever see or read anywhere about Soriano being a clubhouse liability? I'll take what Frank Robinson says about a player, what ex-teammates say about him before I'll believe some hoped for anti-truth. Everything I've read today seems to indicate the exact opposite. Did you have lunch near the cell today and hear this stuff waiting for your food?

Derek Lee has a world series ring from the 2003 Marlins. I think he also has 2 gold gloves that Paulie can only dream of. Fro that a renk them even.

soxnole- a little homophobic aren't we? Me thninks thee doest protest too much.

I'll give you that Soriano's reluctance to play LF was out of line. Other than that what evidence can you provide to back up your bad clubhouse guy claim? I seem to remember Piazza raising a big stink when they wanted him to play 1b, does that make him a bad clubhouse guy?

I am a Sox fan. I am not one that hates the Cubs. I just don't care about them. I am still happy with our World Series title and being a underperforming 90 win team. I just hope the Sox tweak to get 5 more wins. That should be enough to make the playoffs.

IL2008....

Big difference between "a big stink" and announcing to the world that you needed to be traded instead of moving to the OF. The truth is he's not up to MLB standard's @ 2B, SS or the OF.

and...yeah I suppose your right, I definetely feel strange and uncomfortable around some neighborhoods, and wrigleyboystown is right up there....call me names but I like men to look and think like....well...men!

soxnole- You mean you've actually been to Wrigleyville?

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The truth is he's not up to MLB standard's @ 2B, SS or the OF.

He's easily beyond the "standard" for left field. He led the majors in outfield assists, too.

He's way beyond the standard for excellence in MLB at the plate and on the basepaths! Easily in the top 5% as an offensive player!

Give the man his props.

I just wish the Sox would have picked him up. He could play lf for us and we could bring back the "Phillie" to play cf...even though I wasn't a fan of his.

Go White Sox.

Been.....

I totally agree!

soxnole....

The Sox have had their share of 'head cases' as well. Don't single out Soriano, or Ramirez, or even Sammy. Dusty, even though I didn't care for his managerial skills, had his hands tied by McPhail or the Tribune Company, not Hendry. Hendry appears to be the potential 'lame duck' here.
Besides , maybe management wanted Dusty to fail, but strung-out his time here. Maybe the new V.P., McDoungh (sp), has something to do with all the changes, especially since signing Pinella. Maybe its in Pinella's contract????? And don't forget, and I'm also not fond of Ramirez, but he is one of the top five third baseman in MLB. He's just plain lazy in my opinion.
They certainly have the core for a pretty darn good team. And I'm still hoping the Sox can get back to the top.

Rosy....

Go get'um!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boomer...Thanks...

Not only that...But, if the Sox had Pierre in cf all year instead of hamburger man, they would have won the pennant.

If Pierre is available, the Sox should pick him up.

Yo, Ozzie and Williams...talk with Pierre, please?

Been, I don't think there's a question that Pierre is available. I'm sure his agent just ratcheted up his asking price but I don't think the Sox would have much competition out there for his services. However, if he didn't like playing in Chicago (or just for the Cubs) he must like the warm climates like Florida or Cal. That may make a difference. Good luck, and I mean it.

Spoke too soon. Dodgers reach agreement with Pierre for a 5 yr deal between $44-45 million! Now the price for JD Drew, Gary Matthews Jr. and others goes up. Great to be a free agent in 2006.

BTIL....looks like you are thinking about coming back to your original status as a Cub fan. Now is the time!

Fast...Let's not get silly when talking about the Cubbies. There is a reason why they haven't won the World Series for 267 years!

They still have to find about 7 pitchers.

Been....

You know that if the Cubs win the World Series, there is going to be a whole bunch of grief coming our way, especially to 'soxnole'. But then, I don't think that would phase him. He'd probably try taking credit for it??????

Sox.....

I still "luv yuh man"! The Cubs might be getting really close, there going after Schmidt now. Not bad!!

Beenthere...The Standard!?...your kidding, I hope.

11 errors in left field is poor at best. He misplayed and kicked so many around that assists were easy to come by.

He is a truly great offensive player with a penchant for striking out.

A "standard" he isn't.

A "standard" my friend, would be Matsui or several others in a long line in front of AS...

Could he get there...absolutely, when he can give the attention that defense demands, not until.

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A "standard" my friend, would be Matsui or several others in a long line in front of AS...

Sox...Matsui couldn't hold Soriano's jockstrap.

Sometimes you have to learn to relent a bit and give someone some props.

$138 million says it all, my friend.

You hung your hat on Anderson in cf all of last year when everyone else in the world said he wasn't ready. Ozzie stuck with him and the Sox lost. Pierre could have solved that cf problem. So could Patterson from Baltimore. Anderson might be a good player down the road and I hope he is...for the White Sox...but the fact remains, he was ATROCIOUS at the plate...and, please don't tell me about how he hit .275 for a 30 game stretch...75% of those "hits" reminded me of what that little shortstop did in the World Series...two misplayed flyballs and a swinging bunt account for 3 of his "hits" in the 4-5 game.

We obviously see the game from dramatically different sets of eyes.

In any event, the Cubbies have made some nice moves and we have to give them props, too. Enough of that nice stuff....What are they going to do to obtain 7 more pitchers?

Go White Sox.

The problem wasn't sticking with Andrson, the problem was NOT sticking with him and playing Makoviac (I don't know how he spells his name, just that he can't play "D" in center.

IL2008,

Soriano...walked out on his Japanese team over a legal contract matter which he LOST in court.

Refused to play 2nd base for the Yankees (seems he felt he could take Jeters job).

Refused to play the OF for the Nats after averaging 22 errors at SS/2B during his career.

Once...OK....Twice..looks like a problem child...Third time with a 3rd team...Tells me he is a problem child!

Boomer. All MLB teams have a wacko here and there. One of the reasons the Sox have won lately is a lack of problem children. Good luck to the cubs with several me me guys on the roster..Ramirez,Soriano,Prior etc.

Been,

1)Matsui is arguably the best lf in the game. Your "jockstrap" comment makes you sound like you never wore one! There IS a difference between offense and defense for goodness sake. All-around?...I'll side with Joe Torre who got rid of AS and loves Matsui. Case closed.

2)bballdad 1954 is correct... I love Mackoviack but he cost us about half the games he started in cf. Pierre stinks but except for his arm he is Willy Mays compared to AS in cf!

3) Agree with your comment that the cubs have made good moves. Simply put,they need to make more!
Glavine and Schmidt would make them a contender in the weak NL.

I think soriano walked out on his Japanese team over homesick issues more than legal issues. I am not sure but I beleive he did play 2b for the yanks, just didn't produce at the end of the year or during the playoffs, which isn't unusual early in ones career.

Soxnole

Please do not use Willie "Say Hey" Mays in any comparison , good or bad, with todays players, especially Pierre---it just shows what little you know about the game from behind the juandiced glasses that you wear.

AJ was considered a club house cancer before he came to the Sox. I'm willing to give Soriano a chance. Let's not forget that this is the type of temamate AJ is:
"The most telling of the many, many (seriously, you wouldn’t believe how willing people were to talk about this guy) Pierzynski anecdotes we heard took place during spring training in 2004. Pierzynski, crouched behind the plate, took a pitch to the groin. Rushing to his aid, trainer Stan Conte asked him how he felt. “Like this!” Pierzynski grunted, then savagely kneed Conte in the balls."

Please spare us the rationalizations on that one.

Willie Mays was the best.

TR....eat my shorts!

IL2008....my point is that as yet, this young super star has no idea how to contribute in the club house.

AJ, a vet, on the other hand is a positive influence in a happy club house.

Btw, it will be fun to see Lou and me me Ramirez go at it.

Oh...and by the way, the next time you are slammed in the groin, I hope I'm there to ask you how you feel.

Maybe you think he should have thanked the trainer for asking and done a little pirouette!

Yeah, I know he was just doing his job but communicating with an inhured catcher that has just been semi-emasculated should leave room for a violent reaction to a VERY stupid question!