From rivals.com...as of Saturday evening...
http://sebaseball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=677394
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Here they are as reported by ESPN
Arizona State
Arkansas
Coastal Carolina
Florida State
Long Beach State
Missouri
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Rice
San Diego
South Carolina
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Wichita State
Louisanna Lafayette had an RPI of #13 on Boyd's this morning so that has got to hurt. Dad04 - tell Buddy to use the snub for motivation. I don't see how Wichita State or Missouri for example beats them out. Here are the top 20 rpi's and records from Boyd's:
1 0.638 47 12 48 12 Rice
2 0.630 50 11 50 11 Vanderbilt
3 0.629 44 15 44 15 Texas
4 0.626 47 12 47 12 North Carolina
5 0.619 43 13 43 13 Arizona State
6 0.616 48 11 48 11 Coastal Carolina
7 0.610 47 11 47 11 Florida State
8 0.608 36 18 36 18 Long Beach State
9 0.607 43 16 43 16 Texas A&M
10 0.606 43 14 43 14 Virginia
11 0.606 42 18 42 18 South Carolina
12 0.603 42 16 42 16 San Diego
13 0.600 43 15 43 15 Louisiana-Lafayette
14 0.600 37 23 37 23 Mississippi
15 0.595 40 16 40 16 Missouri
16 0.595 41 18 41 18 Arkansas
17 0.592 36 22 36 22 Miami, Florida
18 0.591 37 21 37 21 North Carolina State
19 0.589 38 21 38 21 Clemson
20 0.588 48 19 49 19 Wichita State
Arizona State
Arkansas
Coastal Carolina
Florida State
Long Beach State
Missouri
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Rice
San Diego
South Carolina
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Wichita State
Louisanna Lafayette had an RPI of #13 on Boyd's this morning so that has got to hurt. Dad04 - tell Buddy to use the snub for motivation. I don't see how Wichita State or Missouri for example beats them out. Here are the top 20 rpi's and records from Boyd's:
1 0.638 47 12 48 12 Rice
2 0.630 50 11 50 11 Vanderbilt
3 0.629 44 15 44 15 Texas
4 0.626 47 12 47 12 North Carolina
5 0.619 43 13 43 13 Arizona State
6 0.616 48 11 48 11 Coastal Carolina
7 0.610 47 11 47 11 Florida State
8 0.608 36 18 36 18 Long Beach State
9 0.607 43 16 43 16 Texas A&M
10 0.606 43 14 43 14 Virginia
11 0.606 42 18 42 18 South Carolina
12 0.603 42 16 42 16 San Diego
13 0.600 43 15 43 15 Louisiana-Lafayette
14 0.600 37 23 37 23 Mississippi
15 0.595 40 16 40 16 Missouri
16 0.595 41 18 41 18 Arkansas
17 0.592 36 22 36 22 Miami, Florida
18 0.591 37 21 37 21 North Carolina State
19 0.589 38 21 38 21 Clemson
20 0.588 48 19 49 19 Wichita State
Here is the explanation from sebaseball.com and it sounds like politics were at play. ULL was robbed imho and the explanations are in conflict.
http://sebaseball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=677440
http://sebaseball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=677440
It really sounds more like a geographical issue than a political one. Perhaps the schools who got bids (thus overlooking ULL) in the south instead of ULL are Arkansas and Mississippi.
Why do you guys have your shorts in a tight knot ?---there are no official seedings as yet and even if there were you cannot change them--just sit back and enjoy and be happy that players you know are involved---at time you guys sound like "daddy ball"
Good luck to all the teams
Good luck to all the teams
TR......if you're talking to me you are off base. I'm fairly certain the others feel the same if you are talking about them. If you don't want to take part in the conversation then don't. My shorts fit loose and comfortably, since that seems to concern you.
And since you must not have been aware, the discussion has to do with the host sites for regionals, which were officially announced Sunday by the NCAA.
And since you must not have been aware, the discussion has to do with the host sites for regionals, which were officially announced Sunday by the NCAA.
Not to get things sidetracked, but I'm with you grateful...I like my shorts loose and comfortable as well. In fact they're so comfortable I like to share them with others...
There's room for a few more...anyone?
There's room for a few more...anyone?
Good luck to everyone with a player still playing. Schools fans take the seeding/host picks alot more seriously than parents,imo. The amount of messageboard fan analysis of RPI/hosting by people from most schools, who know and understand the process is staggering.
Congrats to Coastal for getting to host. Y'all really deserve it. Lots of Larry Templeton double speak on the site picks. Wichita was 3-2 in a weaker conference tourney. We went 3-1. We'll see if geography was relevant when the picks are announced. We went 12-3 the last 15 games, but losing the last game hurt us? 13-2 makes the difference? ok
I guess we'll use it for tacklin' fuel.
Congrats to Coastal for getting to host. Y'all really deserve it. Lots of Larry Templeton double speak on the site picks. Wichita was 3-2 in a weaker conference tourney. We went 3-1. We'll see if geography was relevant when the picks are announced. We went 12-3 the last 15 games, but losing the last game hurt us? 13-2 makes the difference? ok
I guess we'll use it for tacklin' fuel.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
Wichita was 3-2 in a weaker conference tourney. We went 3-1.
Dad04....not everyone would agree with that statement. The MVC is rated one higher than the Sun Belt in the ISR rating, and one below in the RPI, at least by Boyd's World.
I do think ULL probably deserved to host, but again, I would look at places like Arkansas, Mississippi, and perhaps even Texas A & M as sites that have taken ULL's potential opportunity.
You've got to understand that I live in the north, and Wichita is as far north as any of the host sites. College baseball is played north of the Mason-Dixon line, and there are many fans in the north who don't have opportunities to see regional games.
With all that being said, I hope the best for all of the players we know from the HSBBW, whether or not they are from the north or the south.
I'll buy that. New Orleans and Arizona will be flying to Wichita, if that means anything.
According to Larry Templeton, Wichita State is a hosting #1 instead of ULL. A (non-dad) stat rat put together a comparison of the two. Since ULL performed better, I guess geography was the factor.
quote:The following is a breakdown that I believe illustrates that UL has the better resume and therefore should receive consideration for the #1 seed in Wichita.
Of the wins that Wichita State has in the Top 25 and Top 50, all but two of those wins are at home. The Cajuns did not have the luxury of playing these teams at home. So when you get down to it, the only real measuring stick is that Wichita State really did not fare any better than the Cajuns on these comparables. But I really do not think the committee takes a deep dive on the home/road stuff ... witness the gawking about Texas A&M's 28-2 non-conference record, only two of which were road games! The NCAA really needs to do something about accounting properly for road games. We will have some proposals at SEBaseball.com.
RPI Top 50 Road Games (2-5)
@Pepperdine (1-2) #37
@Arkansas (0-1) #16
@Oklahoma (0-1) #27
@**** Roberts (0-1) #38
@Kansas State (1-0) (lost to the Wildcats at home) #38
@Oklahoma State (0-1) #53 (just outside the top 50 and not included above)
RPI Top 50 Home Games (6-6)
**** Roberts (0-1) #38
Creighton (2-1) (Neutral games vs. Creighton 1-1) #33
Long Beach State (2-1) #7
Cal State-Fullerton (1-2) #31
Nebraska (1-0) #32
Kansas State (0-1) (beat the Wildcats on the road) #35
I have updated the numbers below. There were some slight changes as WSU is now 9-12 against the Top 50 instead of 9-11. Here is the detailed comparison of Wichita State and the Cajuns ...
RPI (UL 14, WSU 20)
Non-Conference RPI (UL 12, WSU 50)
Road Record (UL 20-12, WSU 20-7)
Record vs. Last 15 (UL 12-3, WSU 9-6)
Record vs. Top 25 RPI (UL 1-5, WSU 2-2)
Record vs. Top 50 RPI (UL 1-5, WSU 9-12)
Record vs. teams being considered for field [RPI Top 75] (UL 15-6, WSU 20-15)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI (UL 20-11, WSU 20-15)
Conference Finish (UL 1st 26-8, WSU 1st 23-6)
Conference RPI (SBC 7, MVC 9)
Conference Tournament Performance (UL 2nd 3-1, WSU 2nd 3-2)
Common Opponents (UL 5-0, WSU 1-1)
The common opponent above is South Alabama. Wichita State split with South Alabama in Wichita. UL won three in Lafayette and two in Mobile, going 5-0 against South Alabama.
Note that while Wichita State has a better road record percentage wise than the Cajuns, they have also played considerably more home games than the Cajuns. WSU has played nine more home games than road games. The Cajuns have played eight more road games than home games.
I give the edge to the Cajuns as far as a #1 seed. But I have been saying for weeks that if the Cajuns are not a #1 seed, it will be because of their record vs. the RPI Top 25 and RPI Top 50. But that does not mean that I think that Wichita State is more deserving of a #1 seed than the Cajuns.
I for one think that the NCAA needs to tweak the RPI formula and selection criteria to better account for the difficulty of road games. The bonus structure does not account for non-conference games outside the Top 75. The Cajun RPI is superior to Wichita State, in part because of the bonuses. But I think the road games played needs to be accounted for in metrics like record vs. TopXX.
Brian Benton