The OP asked about high academic D1 and cuts. This may be implied in other responses, but in our experience, coaches "cut" in their own ways.
High academic schools tend not to over recruit. At least I haven't seen it. So there's not 50 guys battling for Spring roster spots each Fall.
But coaches will make it very clear if they don't want a guy around. The number of these "cuts" were pretty small, but it was happening most years.
Branson Baseball posted:The OP asked about high academic D1 and cuts. This may be implied in other responses, but in our experience, coaches "cut" in their own ways.
High academic schools tend not to over recruit. At least I haven't seen it. So there's not 50 guys battling for Spring roster spots each Fall.
But coaches will make it very clear if they don't want a guy around. The number of these "cuts" were pretty small, but it was happening most years.
Just to back up the bolded point, Harvard's Fall 2018 roster is online and lists 26 players.
2019Dad posted:Branson Baseball posted:The OP asked about high academic D1 and cuts. This may be implied in other responses, but in our experience, coaches "cut" in their own ways.
High academic schools tend not to over recruit. At least I haven't seen it. So there's not 50 guys battling for Spring roster spots each Fall.
But coaches will make it very clear if they don't want a guy around. The number of these "cuts" were pretty small, but it was happening most years.
Just to back up the bolded point, Harvard's Fall 2018 roster is online and lists 26 players.
That's because they haven't added their freshmen yet, but the point remains. In general Ivies don't seem to typically over-recruit as a regular strategy like a lot of other conferences. There are occasionally juco or other transfers, but the recruiting classes tend to be more along the lines of 8 to 10 players as opposed to other conferences where you will often see numbers well into the teens.
Except FYI two Ivies told 2017 that they would be cutting this year as they had more than 35 known recruits/players, not including any additional walk ons.
Twoboys posted:Except FYI two Ivies told 2017 that they would be cutting this year as they had more than 35 known recruits/players, not including any additional walk ons.
Agreed - I didn't mean to imply they never cut. They do. And there are plenty of guys who self cut because they simply never see the field and don't appear as though they ever will. Just not the big numbers and with the same regularity that other conferences seem to.
RJM and Ozone make excellent points.
As a freshman, if you havent gotten a solid committment, have to worry about cuts, seeing a fall roster in the 40 #s, you are in the wrong place. If you haven't signed an NLI, you are a walk on, a walk on is just that, regardless of the language used, invited, recruited, preferred, you will be the first to go.
Remember folks, D1 baseball only allows 27 scholarships (if fully funded). RS players count in the 35 man roster as well.
One other thing, coaches are making deals with players, first year this much, second year that much, etc. Scholarships are for ONE year and renewable. This is not an acceptable practice recognized by the NCAA.
Simple fact of the matter: very few programs recruit to the 35 man limit. It should be a major point of discussion with an HC/RC in the recruiting process as outside of any scholarship money they invest in you it's the biggest barometer for knowing how much they see you as truly part of the team.
highheat15 posted:Simple fact of the matter: very few programs recruit to the 35 man limit. It should be a major point of discussion with an HC/RC in the recruiting process as outside of any scholarship money they invest in you it's the biggest barometer for knowing how much they see you as truly part of the team.
I don't see how this discussion would go. If a coach awards a scholarship to a player, why is it relevant if the coach is also recruiting a bunch of other kids, even at the same position? It's the coaches job to play the best players, and the kids job to compete to be one of those best players. If the coach doesn't think the kid can contribute, than he won't give a scholarship offer, and if the kid doesn't think he can compete in that program he shouldn't accept.
What's the point of asking a coach how many other kids he's bringing in or how many at my position? I'd expect the coach to say he wants multiple players competing for time...not sure what's to be learned from this discussion.
I think it really depends on the program, and you cannot really paint every program with the same brush. If a coach is new to a school, he may have players that are on scholarship that he doesn't think will fit in with his regime. In this situation, he will most likely bring in more competition, which could mean more overall than the 35.
If it is a situation where the program has been around for a long time, and he is constantly bringing 40+ in, then that is a red flag.
Also, please note that just because a coach offers you a scholarship doesn't mean you will contribute. Coaches evaluations don't always work out. There are too many variables, kid doesn't develop, doesn't work hard, gets a girlfriend, loses interest, adjustment to being away from home for the first time, partying, adjustment to college academics, personal problems, etc., can all affect whether it works out for a kid.
In the last few years, i havent seen a single walk on preferred or not make the team. Several were sent to D squad and have come back to try again this fall. Meeting next week on fall reports/status so will know more then. I have seen redshirted (scholarshipped) guy quit after soph fall when performance wasnt where it needed to be and projected outlook was bleak post January, pre-season for playing time. I have seen other guys "not come back" in the last few years as well and i assume they had tough exit meetings post fall and very limited PT during previous season.
College baseball is a business, winning is paramount. Contribute to that or show real promise to do so or you may be on the bubble, regardless of scholarship/status.
Smitty28 posted:highheat15 posted:Simple fact of the matter: very few programs recruit to the 35 man limit. It should be a major point of discussion with an HC/RC in the recruiting process as outside of any scholarship money they invest in you it's the biggest barometer for knowing how much they see you as truly part of the team.
I don't see how this discussion would go. If a coach awards a scholarship to a player, why is it relevant if the coach is also recruiting a bunch of other kids, even at the same position? It's the coaches job to play the best players, and the kids job to compete to be one of those best players. If the coach doesn't think the kid can contribute, than he won't give a scholarship offer, and if the kid doesn't think he can compete in that program he shouldn't accept.
What's the point of asking a coach how many other kids he's bringing in or how many at my position? I'd expect the coach to say he wants multiple players competing for time...not sure what's to be learned from this discussion.
Agree....I guess I don't see why you would care who is coming in with you....in most cases it's not those guys you're going to be competing with for playing time anyway, it's the guys who are ALREADY there. My son went in as a pitcher. In our minds he was the top pitcher coming in in his class. He didn't care if they brought in 3 RHP or 8....he was already looking at the guys on the roster to see if he could get time on the mound over them...and he went in and did just that. If you're worried about the other freshmen on the roster as far as a roster spot or playing time, you're probably not in the right situation or don't want to play as much as you think. I don't know anyone who's gone to a college program who has said "Oh, I don't want to play til I'm a Junior anyway" Those are the kids who show up, find out that it's not HS anymore and jump ship after the first fall or the next spring when they don't see the field
9and7dad posted:2019Dad posted:Branson Baseball posted:The OP asked about high academic D1 and cuts. This may be implied in other responses, but in our experience, coaches "cut" in their own ways.
High academic schools tend not to over recruit. At least I haven't seen it. So there's not 50 guys battling for Spring roster spots each Fall.
But coaches will make it very clear if they don't want a guy around. The number of these "cuts" were pretty small, but it was happening most years.
Just to back up the bolded point, Harvard's Fall 2018 roster is online and lists 26 players.
That's because they haven't added their freshmen yet, but the point remains. In general Ivies don't seem to typically over-recruit as a regular strategy like a lot of other conferences. There are occasionally juco or other transfers, but the recruiting classes tend to be more along the lines of 8 to 10 players as opposed to other conferences where you will often see numbers well into the teens.
To back up your point and Branson's, Harvard now has its roster including the freshmen online and it is precisely 35 players: http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/bsb/2017-18/roster?
I have 3 questions that I could use some help on:
1. What is the actual date that D1 baseball rosters have to be set for the Spring season? Is it just the day before the first game of the season or some earlier period of time?
2. If a player is on scholarship for the 2018-2019 year but can’t play for medical reasons (such as still recovering from TJ surgery) does he still count against the 35 man roster or can the team get a waiver since he won’t play at all in the Spring? I know he is a counter but since he won’t play can the team obtain a waiver and keep another player for the season?
3. What is the deadline for telling a player who was on scholarship the previous year that he won’t have a scholarship for the following year? What happens if he is never told that by the team but eventually realizes that his scholarship was not renewed (such as by seeing in his tuition bill that there is no scholarship applied to reduce his tuition)?
Appreciate the answers to these questions and also perhaps a link to where these actual rules can be found within the NCAA guidelines.
I don't know the answers to #1 or #2, but for #3 a student-athlete would know shortly after the spring semester ends. Son played for a D2 his third year (received athletic scholarship) after two years of JuCo. Shortly after the spring semester ended he was notified by the school via certified mail they were not renewing his scholarship (grades slipped). He was still welcome to attend the school and play for the team, but no scholarship moneys were included. I don't know what the deadline is whereby the school must notify the student. That way there are no surprises when he (and his parents) receive the tuition bill.
Anyone can get cut. Cal Ripken’s son, a high school all-American, was cut his freshman year at South Carolina. I have no idea if had a scholarship.
After playing at a Florida Juco, he ended up getting drafted and played a few years in the minors. Might still be playing.
Many would be suprised by the number of studs who never play a game for the school they sign with out of high school.
1) First day of the season
2) Counters will count. You can appeal for a medical hardship waiver but I'm not sure if that is done before the season or at the end of the semester. If I'm correct, they go thru the season normally and sort out the appeals afterwards when the season is over and playing time is already determined (although not positive). Depending on when the surgery was and if a Dr. releases him will factor into that decision. But if a Dr clears him to play for April the appeal most likely won't go his way.
3). This is a good question (one I've asked on here before) and I'm not sure. In FoxDad's case I'm not sure if it was academic money or athletic money that was cut, but if the draft doesn't go in favor of a team or players are granted another year- there are players that find out as late as August that they won't have their scholarships renewed. I would assume that it has to be done before move in day. I don't believe you can have more than 11.7 "scholarships" walking around campus at any time. Regardless of cuts or transfers.
Thank you for the responses. With respect to my second question I guess your response “counters will count” means that even if a player is going to medically redshirt (literally no chance that he will play) he counts on the roster no matter what? If that is true then clearly the team will only have 34 players who can play and they can’t keep another player that can contribute to the team, right? I was under the impression in that situation that the player who would medically redshirt wouldn’t count against the 35 man roster but maybe i’m wrong.
With respect to my 3rd question, I had heard there was a July 1st deadline to let a player know so he had an opportunity to appeal that decision. Maybe that is not the case.
PABaseball posted:3). This is a good question (one I've asked on here before) and I'm not sure. In FoxDad's case I'm not sure if it was academic money or athletic money that was cut, but if the draft doesn't go in favor of a team or players are granted another year- there are players that find out as late as August that they won't have their scholarships renewed. I would assume that it has to be done before move in day. I don't believe you can have more than 11.7 "scholarships" walking around campus at any time. Regardless of cuts or transfers.
Just to clarify, my son's athletic scholarship was cut, not academic.
Baseball123456789 posted:
With respect to my 3rd question, I had heard there was a July 1st deadline to let a player know so he had an opportunity to appeal that decision. Maybe that is not the case.
Now that you mention, it there is deadline for appealing the decision - at least there was in my son's case. I remember the letter he received mentioning a specific date. It may have been July 1st, but I can't say for sure. Don't know for sure but it was recommended to reply by certified mail as well.
From NCAA Web Site: If a school plans to reduce or not renew a student-athlete’s aid, the school must notify the student-athlete in writing by July 1 and provide an opportunity to appeal. In most cases, coaches decide who receives a scholarship, the scholarship amount and whether it will be renewed.
