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My son just completed his freshman year of D1 ball. He is on scholarship and all things point to him being in the starting lineup next season. The problem is not the school, the teammates or playing time. The problem is the character of the coach or lack thereof. For whatever personal reasons, he seems to be coming undone. This is deeply hurting his ability to "coach" (just comparing the "current him" to his own prior standards), destroying normal "confidence & trust," and undermining his ability to "lead" due to the players no longer being able to respect/follow him. This is causing other quality players to quit the team, creating difficulty in retaining/hiring top-notch coaches and even impacting the caliber of incoming recruits (it appears word is out). If the coach gets fired, this will resolve itself. If not, I sense that my son will revisit his decision to attend this university.

at this point in time, he is not convinced he should stay or convinced he should leave. It is all too much to reflect on right now, as the season is coming to an end. My concern/question is about the contractual agreements that I assume he will be asked to sign before heading home. Prior to his freshman year I believe he signed three documents. 1) National Letter of Intent (NLI). 2) An agreement with his school which spelled out the terms of his scholarship. 3) An agreement with their conference which all scholarship athletes were required to sign.

Q1) Do most/all D1 programs have their returning scholarship athletes sign certain documents before leaving for the summer? This affects how much time my son will have to reflect on this very big decision.

Q2) Will he be asked to sign all three docs again?

Q3) Is the NLI signed annually? I read some articles prior to his signing of the NLI last year that exposed a two year penalty in it's fine print and revealed that it is not an absolutely necessary document. Despite it not being "necessary" in order to be a scholarship athlete, his coach (like most coaches) forced him to sign this one-sided agreement if he wanted his scholarship. My concern here is re that two year penalty and it's potential long-term impact should he have to sign it once again.

Q4) If he signs whatever the other returning players sign, displaying his understanding of the terms and showing his commitment to return for his sophomore year, what are the consequences, if any, should he decide in the next few months to instead go JUCO for one year?

Q5) I understand the transfer rules (thanks to this great website), but am also concerned about any contractual issue (ie. fine print) should he decide to opt out. What if he decided to opt out, transfer to another D1, sit out his one penalty year -- will he only lose a calendar year of eligibility (one of his five), or will he lose a year of competition eligibility (ie, one of his four)?

Q6) Are there any issues or penalties that I am missing or not thinking of?

Thanks, in advance, for any & all wise counsel.
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Q1) A scholarship player must be informed on or before July 1 by his college if his athletic aid is being renewed. The college may ask him to sign an acknowledgement, but there is no NCAA penalty if he decide to not enroll the following year, or if he drops out of school.

Q2) He will definitely not be asked to sign a NLI, since a NLI can only be signed by a prospective scholar athlete (high school or JC player). I suppose the school may ask him to sign an agreement, but it is not enforceable. I don't know about the conference agreement, or what the terms may be.

Q3) Signed only once, so the penalty question is moot. For completeness, the sit out portion of the penalty for not honoring a NLI was changed a few years ago from 2 years to 1 year. BTW, you should have a copy of the signed NLI, and you can read the terms of agreement there. Or, read the NCAA page on NLIs , which covers all the provisions.

Q4) No rule-based consequence. However, some people prefer to not make commitments that they don't intend to keep. I doubt that such a decision would be held against him by any future D1 coach.

Q5) His D1 5 year clock has started, and it runs whether he transfers or not. He will not lose a season of competition if he transfers.

Q6) If he transfers to a D1, and loses a season due to injury, his 5 year clock will expire before he can get in 4 seasons of competition. And, you/he will have ensured that he'll need 5 years of college to play 4 years of baseball.
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redwing -- thanks for the comments, input and great question re the release.

3FG -- thanks so much for the detailed response. You definitely eased the pressure I was feeling re my son potentially signing something in the coming week that might have some long-term, negative ramifications. Feeling much more relaxed.

Good to know that he may not even be asked to sign any docs in the coming week -- potentially not until later in June. If it happens to play out that way, it will provide some much needed time to reflect & reevaluate his choice of school.

You are correct that we should have a copy of the documents here at our home. At this moment, I am not certain where my wife has filed them. My post at 5:43am was a cry for help after an all-nighter, of which a few hours were devoted to searching for these answers. Thanks for coming to my rescue.

I was not aware of the NLI penalty change to only one year. I was basing my question on an article re flaws in the NLI written in Feb, 2009. That is good news for all athletes.

Re the need for a release ... can you point me to some resources that will educate me about this, just in case my son decides he wants to check out some other options? Is there a good forum here that thoroughly covers this? Any recommended articles to read or websites to check out re when to get, how to get and avoiding dumb mistakes re "releases?"
For NJCAA and California Community colleges, permission to contact is not required. Permission is required for NCAA schools (13.1.1.3 or 13.1.1.2 for D2/D3), but once a renewal offer has been made and was signed by the player, the original D1 school can't reduce or cancel the award because permission was requested. (15.3.4.3.2 and 15.3.4.2(d))

Legalities aside, I certainly would not advise a player to agree to a scholarship renewal, and then subsequently ask permission to talk to a different school, unless he has fully decided to transfer. I can't imagine staying at the original school would work out well.
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I was not aware of the NLI penalty change to only one year. I was basing my question on an article re flaws in the NLI written in Feb, 2009. That is good news for all athletes.

We had a discussion on the NLI penalty in Sept 2008, and in that thread I said that the rule was changed in October 2004. So I'll repeat some advice from that thread--use the NCAA NLI site for information about the NLI rather than "an article".

The NLI system is setup to favor colleges and not athletes, but most of the articles I've read which comment on this inequity are apparently rewrites of older articles.
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Bum -- I tried to address the "why" question in my first paragraph without saying more than needed to be said. Simply stated, something has become broken inside of this coach and a variety of toxic things are bursting (not just leaking) out of him. Since I do not know anything about his marriage, family life or any old demons, I am not certain what is causing this extreme unhealthiness. It is possible that the school may take action since I believe that they are aware of some of the behavior issues. Maybe not.

The one and only issue is, does my son want to spend 3 more years under the leadership of a head coach who is this unhealthy. His deceptiveness, rage issues, and "Jekyl & Hyde" personalities are causing current coaches & players to quit the team. My son has not been the victim of any of the coach's numerous, verbally abusive sessions, but he sees the effects on other players, asst coaches and the morale of the team. There have not been any conflicts between the coach and my son, so if "reading between the lines" made you think of that possibility -- no, he and the coach are fine.
3FG -- yes, my fault for trusting the accuracy of the article that I read instead of just reading the NLI. I know better too.

Thanks for the release info and I agree, I cannot imagine asking for a release to talk to other schools and then return to his current school. That is a recipe for a very painful upcoming year. When he gets home, I can help him evaluate his options and then get a feel for what he is thinking.

I did just think of one more question ... Let's say he decides to return in the fall to his current school, but then discovers that his coach is progressively getting worse, not better. Can my son transfer to a JUCO mid-year, play ball & graduate in the spring, and then sign on with a D1 program for his junior year (and play)? I guess I am asking is one semester at a JUCO enough as long as he graduates & meets the GPA requirement? And, is he penalty-free when he moves on to a new D1 program?
Yes, he can. This would be a 4-2-4 transfer, and the rules are covered in 14.5.6. You should read the NCAA Transfer Guide . Page 21 covers your hypothetical situation.

Note that one calendar year since the player left the first 4 year school must elapse before he can compete at the second 4 years school. However, he can enroll and practice before the one year period is up. (14.5.6.4) The Transfer Guide isn't clear on that point.

Also note that the timing has to be just right. A D1 baseball player has to enroll in the fall (not mid-year) in order to play in the spring.
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CoachDad2, No, I don't presume to read between the lines. As my son also went D1 to D1 I know there are valid reasons. I just question whether the downside risk in your son's situation is worth it. I don't think Dr.Jekyl/Mr.Hyde behavior is that atypical of coaches who want to win. That motivation becomes fierce at times and lashing out is part of the game for some. Unless the coach has gone over the top (hitting players, condoning illegal behavior, etc.) I'm not sure I wouldn't ignore it. Good luck to your son.
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