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Dead ball or not?

T TP10+ posts
Last night our team was in the feild in the bottom of the 7th with 2 out and a runner on 1st. While in the act of swinging, the ball hit the batter. The umpire called a strike (which was correct). The runner took second on the play which was a hit and run. As the umpire began to put his mask on, our coach protested. The Homeplate umpire consulted with the other ump. and they made the runner return to 1st.
It is my opinion that if the pitch was a strike, then it is not a dead ball and the runner should have been allowed to advance. The ump. basically ruled that it was a strike AND a dead ball. We struck him out to end the game on the next pitch so no biggie, but it was a one run game and could have been. whats the correct call?
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EH Emanski's Heroes1,000+ posts
I'm not an umpire, but I think I've read that basically any time the ball hits the batter it's a dead ball. This would include the batter hit by a pitched ball (whether or not it's a strike) or if the batter is hit by the ball after making contact with the bat. So I'm thinking this umpire was correct. Now, the actual umpires of this board may clarify and show that I'm wrong, but I believe what I've said is true.
D dash_riprock1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by TP:
Last night our team was in the feild in the bottom of the 7th with 2 out and a runner on 1st. While in the act of swinging, the ball hit the batter. The umpire called a strike (which was correct). The runner took second on the play which was a hit and run. As the umpire began to put his mask on, our coach protested. The Homeplate umpire consulted with the other ump. and they made the runner return to 1st.
It is my opinion that if the pitch was a strike, then it is not a dead ball and the runner should have been allowed to advance. The ump. basically ruled that it was a strike AND a dead ball. We struck him out to end the game on the next pitch so no biggie, but it was a one run game and could have been. whats the correct call?

Whenever a pitch hits the batter, the ball is immediately dead, regardless of what else happens.
FM Former Member
Nope refering to the fact its not a foul tip only a strike and the ball is dead. The hands are part of a body. If a pitch hits the batter's hands the ball is dead; if he swung at the pitch, a strike is called (NOT a foul). If he was avoiding the pitch, he is awarded first base. At any rate the the runner returns to first
D dash_riprock1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Just remember that anytime the batter is hit with a ball the play is dead.


Change ball to pitch.

I always say ball because that includes being hit by anything off the bat.

But it would also include the times a batter (or batter/runner) is hit with the ball and it does not become dead.
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Just remember that anytime the batter is hit with a ball the play is dead.


Change ball to pitch.

I always say ball because that includes being hit by anything off the bat.

But it would also include the times a batter (or batter/runner) is hit with the ball and it does not become dead.


As in a throw.
MU Mr Umpire100+ posts
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Just remember that anytime the batter is hit with a ball the play is dead.


Change ball to pitch.

I always say ball because that includes being hit by anything off the bat.

But it would also include the times a batter (or batter/runner) is hit with the ball and it does not become dead.


As in a throw.


I just thought I would extend the quoting. I have nothing to add here. How far indented can it go?
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Mr Umpire:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Just remember that anytime the batter is hit with a ball the play is dead.


Change ball to pitch.

I always say ball because that includes being hit by anything off the bat.

But it would also include the times a batter (or batter/runner) is hit with the ball and it does not become dead.


As in a throw.


I just thought I would extend the quoting. I have nothing to add here. How far indented can it go?

True, wasn't considering that part, I was just thinking anything off a pitch or hit ball.
jjkjjk500+ posts
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
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Originally posted by GovernorTim:
TP that assumes that the ball hit the player in the hands as he swung. If it in fact hit any other part of the players body and was caught by the catcher then it is still a dead ball and the runner will have to return to first.

Please tell me you're not saying the hands are part of the bat.


I hung up the mask last year, and am back to coaching this year.
I'm coaching the grand sons 7/8 yr olds (their all swinging the bats nicely by the way) any rate, were on D. B swings and takes one right off the knuckles, ball dribbles on out towards F1, close play, he's safe, bouncing around holding his fingers. Ump dad leaves him there, that's fine it's a 2 inning jamoborie, top a the last.
I whisper to my son-in-law coach, "he supposed to go back". No he ain't he say's, hands are part a the bat". He was a 2nd BM for a state champ in HS!

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