Left at 6-1 in the 4th. Looked at the paper and it ended at 7-6? What happened?
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RTD says DSF tied it with a big top of the 7th, then DR got a run to pull it out in the bottom. Also says Brooks finished the 7th and thus got the W, but you can't tell from that whether he started the inning or whether he just came in to put out a fire.
Brooks started the 7th inning. Boyle threw 6 and gave up 1 run. Brooks came in in the 7th, walked a guy, hit a guy, E5, single, bases clearing triple, sac fly to tie the game before DR got out of it.
In the 7th DR leadoff hitter reached on an E6, bunt to get him to 2nd, pop up to short, then an HBP before a single to right won the game.
In the 7th DR leadoff hitter reached on an E6, bunt to get him to 2nd, pop up to short, then an HBP before a single to right won the game.
I also missed part of the game but it appears that the DR staff's confidence in Brooks is wavering. Credit to Boyle as he has had an outstanding season to date, but would be hard to fathom Brooks fading into the night. I may be jumping the gun here, but with them using their other part of the rotation, plus even more of these incredible number of their arms throwing minimally, if at all, where are Brooks' innings going to come from?
Several folks had the mindest of "Too many arms is a good problem to have" While too many is better than not enough, between the grumblings most of us have all heard and witnessed, not to mention the ones we haven't, and that number likely increasing as the season prgresses, I'm not so sure.
Several folks had the mindest of "Too many arms is a good problem to have" While too many is better than not enough, between the grumblings most of us have all heard and witnessed, not to mention the ones we haven't, and that number likely increasing as the season prgresses, I'm not so sure.
Brooks does seem to be struggling. Certainly well below his norm. Odd since he had such a dominating performance against Godwin a few weeks ago. He'll work it out.
DR has a number of arms good enough to win games in the Colonial, but it's hard to imagine them going very far come playoff time without Boyle and Brooks at the top of their game. They have more high level experience - and success - than most of the pitching staff.
DR has a number of arms good enough to win games in the Colonial, but it's hard to imagine them going very far come playoff time without Boyle and Brooks at the top of their game. They have more high level experience - and success - than most of the pitching staff.
I do think Brooks will put it together soon-too good of a pitcher.
Heading over to watch them play here shortly and will be interested to see what they do with the pitching today. With Boyle throwing 6 on Thursday, its likely he won't throw today, nor should he need to vs. the competition.
Seems like Boyle should've been identified earlier as a top notch guy. Having seen DR play many times over the last few years, I thought he would be their #1-2 guy with ease given his style, location and presence.
Keep in mind this is a team thats a top 5 Central VA team all season thus far. Despite their 5-2 record, all of their wins have been tight, especially late(outside of Godwin) and luck has been on their side. For me, this is a reflection of the coaches not knowing their team as well as they should. Seems like the wins should be a heckuva lot cleaner if this is a powerhouse team.
Heading over to watch them play here shortly and will be interested to see what they do with the pitching today. With Boyle throwing 6 on Thursday, its likely he won't throw today, nor should he need to vs. the competition.
Seems like Boyle should've been identified earlier as a top notch guy. Having seen DR play many times over the last few years, I thought he would be their #1-2 guy with ease given his style, location and presence.
Keep in mind this is a team thats a top 5 Central VA team all season thus far. Despite their 5-2 record, all of their wins have been tight, especially late(outside of Godwin) and luck has been on their side. For me, this is a reflection of the coaches not knowing their team as well as they should. Seems like the wins should be a heckuva lot cleaner if this is a powerhouse team.
Any thoughts from anyone on DR beating Caroline 3-2 this afternoon?? Caroline is an AA team that plays in the Battlefield league with teams like Spottsy, Monroe, Courtland and Eastern View. WHO?? This is a team that is #3 is the Central Region? I may be cynical, but these are teams you should be pounding. Feel free to share if these are teams that Dr should be playing to a 3-2 game. Would need some rationale.
Pirates45,
I'm surprised to hear that score as well, but there could be more to the story. For example, coaches will often take chances during spring break games that never happen otherwise. For example, they may throw a pitcher who gets very little action normally. I don't think they're an offensive team anyway, so maybe that combined with some pitching experiments resulted in this score? I will say that with the depth of talent they have at DR, the game probably shouldn't have been that close.
I'm surprised to hear that score as well, but there could be more to the story. For example, coaches will often take chances during spring break games that never happen otherwise. For example, they may throw a pitcher who gets very little action normally. I don't think they're an offensive team anyway, so maybe that combined with some pitching experiments resulted in this score? I will say that with the depth of talent they have at DR, the game probably shouldn't have been that close.
If you win 3-2, any perceived problems would be on the offensive side, right?
Note, even a team from a less populated zone can have one quality pitcher.
And, according to the Battlefield District standings threat, Caroline was 5-2 overall and in 2nd place in their district. So I would wager they would take offense at the suggestion that they're not supposed to be able to hang with the big boys.
Note, even a team from a less populated zone can have one quality pitcher.
And, according to the Battlefield District standings threat, Caroline was 5-2 overall and in 2nd place in their district. So I would wager they would take offense at the suggestion that they're not supposed to be able to hang with the big boys.
I have been reading a lot of these fourms for the last few months and I think a lot of you in Richmond/Virginia Beach think the only place good baseball is played is in your local area. A lot of these teams in the Battlefield District have players who have played against these Richmond players over the past years in travel baseball and have done well. Now these players are entering high school and you are starting to see them develop into fine young players. Two years ago Chancellor High School had a big upset when they played Powhatan (AA defending state Champions) in the regionals and beat them 4-2, unfortunately they ran out of pitching to go further. Then there is Courtland and Spotsylavania who have done well over the last few years in the regionals against teams down in Richmond.
Just an FYI for all you guys who are not familiar with Caroline, the majority of their varsity sqaud are all Sophomores and Juniors, so yes it is impressive that a young team can play with the big boy teams like Deep Run. Give them credit when credit is due....instead of making excuses on why DR didn't blow away the small AA school from Caroline.
Just an FYI for all you guys who are not familiar with Caroline, the majority of their varsity sqaud are all Sophomores and Juniors, so yes it is impressive that a young team can play with the big boy teams like Deep Run. Give them credit when credit is due....instead of making excuses on why DR didn't blow away the small AA school from Caroline.
Good points fellas. Please understand that I am not trying to knock Caroline in any way. I am not familiar with any of their players or coaches. To hear that they are a young squad makes it all the more impressive.
My point is that I, like I would imagine anyone else out there, am shocked to see a 3-2 game in this matchup. Again, recognize that DR has been a top 5 Central Region team all year and we are quickly approaching the halfway point. If you look back at the preseason predictions and thoughts around the region, the thought process was that they could win the Colonial and potentially advance in the Regionals. Teams with those expectations don't play what most would perceive to be a lesser team to a 3-2 game on their home field.
Again, despite what I've said here, I am not trying to minimize what Caroline did today, but I would be surprised if anyone had a 3-2 prediction before first pitch. I would also venture to say that comparing the Colonial and battlefield Districts, the Colonial is much stronger.
That being said, Midlo makes a great observation in Caroline probably has some arms, and could easily have 1 that is a shutdown arm, thus the tight result.
My point is that I, like I would imagine anyone else out there, am shocked to see a 3-2 game in this matchup. Again, recognize that DR has been a top 5 Central Region team all year and we are quickly approaching the halfway point. If you look back at the preseason predictions and thoughts around the region, the thought process was that they could win the Colonial and potentially advance in the Regionals. Teams with those expectations don't play what most would perceive to be a lesser team to a 3-2 game on their home field.
Again, despite what I've said here, I am not trying to minimize what Caroline did today, but I would be surprised if anyone had a 3-2 prediction before first pitch. I would also venture to say that comparing the Colonial and battlefield Districts, the Colonial is much stronger.
That being said, Midlo makes a great observation in Caroline probably has some arms, and could easily have 1 that is a shutdown arm, thus the tight result.
Yes, the score would indicate that the problem in this case was the offense. I meant the pitching example as more of a general example rather than an example for this particular case. Just meant to say that coaches may give guys opportunities they wouldn't normally.
BDistrictBaseball-
Nobody is implying that good baseball is only played at the AAA level in Richmond. In fact, there have been several teams around Fredericksburg who have done especially well lately. I'm no small school basher considering I come from a Single-A school originally. However, I do think that in general you would expect a Triple-A program with Deep Run's track record and pool of talent to roll over most Double-A competition. That's certainly not always the case (as Powhatan has proven in past matchups with some of the Central Region's top programs). Of course, there is always the "any given day" aspect to baseball where anything can happen. Nobody is bashing AA baseball, Caroline baseball, or Battlefield District baseball.
BDistrictBaseball-
Nobody is implying that good baseball is only played at the AAA level in Richmond. In fact, there have been several teams around Fredericksburg who have done especially well lately. I'm no small school basher considering I come from a Single-A school originally. However, I do think that in general you would expect a Triple-A program with Deep Run's track record and pool of talent to roll over most Double-A competition. That's certainly not always the case (as Powhatan has proven in past matchups with some of the Central Region's top programs). Of course, there is always the "any given day" aspect to baseball where anything can happen. Nobody is bashing AA baseball, Caroline baseball, or Battlefield District baseball.
Powhatan is and has been a AAA program for years. It has a AAA enrollment of over 1700 students. Powhatan chooses to play down in AA because they like to win and they don't want to move up, play with the big teams and possibly take a few lumps here and there. Make no mistake they are a strong program I am just saying they should be playing AAA. Strong teams schedule strong teams...I think most of Powhatans sports programs are more than satisfied with hollow victories and wins over much smaller opponents. Just my humble opinion.
Local,
Don't believe that a school can "choose" to play down. BTW, the VHSL has Powhatan as having 1350 students. Where did Powhatan hide the other 350 from them?
Don't believe that a school can "choose" to play down. BTW, the VHSL has Powhatan as having 1350 students. Where did Powhatan hide the other 350 from them?
Just a side note to the Caroline/Deep Run game, who is to say Caroline had their ace pitching. They just played on Friday a district game. Maybe Caroline was probably throwing their number#3 or #4 pitchers.
I know a lot of the players on the Caroline team and they have been playing competitive travel baseball since the age of 9 or 10. My son used to play with some of them and was priviliged to be coached by some great coaches.
I wish the battlefield district would schedule more of their out of district games against the Richmond area schools.
Curious to see how King George another small Battlefield AA school does against Douglas Freeman tomorrow. Maybe you might be suprised by another close game.
I know a lot of the players on the Caroline team and they have been playing competitive travel baseball since the age of 9 or 10. My son used to play with some of them and was priviliged to be coached by some great coaches.
I wish the battlefield district would schedule more of their out of district games against the Richmond area schools.
Curious to see how King George another small Battlefield AA school does against Douglas Freeman tomorrow. Maybe you might be suprised by another close game.
Powhatan has listed enrollment at its high school as low 1400's for the last two years, so not 1700+. That number (1400) is not outrageous in comparison to other AA schools. Are they growing? Considering Powhatan was in the single-A James River District in 1997, I would say it has grown but I don't know how fast it continues to grow.
Not sure about other sports, but I am confident Powhatan would compete very well in the Dominion District in baseball and football. Would they slaughter every team the way they do in the Southside District? No. But the Dominion isn't very good for football, so I would probably even think Powhatan would be the favorite there. In baseball, I still think Cosby and JR would be the best teams yearly, but I think Powhatan would be very competitive each year. Like I said, I'm not familiar with other sports.
Another note- considering the economics of playing in the Southside District, I would think Powhatan would welcome a move to the Dominion. Powhatan to Bluestone/Brunswick/Greensville/Southampton/Park View High Schools must be brutal (in terms of cost and time). In the Dominion, their longest trip would be shorter than their shortest trip in the Southside. Is it really their decision to play AA or AAA?
Edit Re: Powhatan football- I forgot about Bird being in the Dominion, so maybe Powhatan wouldn't be the favorite after all.
Not sure about other sports, but I am confident Powhatan would compete very well in the Dominion District in baseball and football. Would they slaughter every team the way they do in the Southside District? No. But the Dominion isn't very good for football, so I would probably even think Powhatan would be the favorite there. In baseball, I still think Cosby and JR would be the best teams yearly, but I think Powhatan would be very competitive each year. Like I said, I'm not familiar with other sports.
Another note- considering the economics of playing in the Southside District, I would think Powhatan would welcome a move to the Dominion. Powhatan to Bluestone/Brunswick/Greensville/Southampton/Park View High Schools must be brutal (in terms of cost and time). In the Dominion, their longest trip would be shorter than their shortest trip in the Southside. Is it really their decision to play AA or AAA?
Edit Re: Powhatan football- I forgot about Bird being in the Dominion, so maybe Powhatan wouldn't be the favorite after all.
I wish Powhatan would hurry up and grow already, because they would be a great fit in the Dominion District.
I'll bet some team parents would like driving up and down 288 a lot better than those trips to Nottoway, too.
BTW, we have quite a few AAA schools in the region with fewer students than Powhatan, and I sometimes wonder why they don't just go AA and help themselves a bit. Some of the city schools have lost enrollment over the decades. I think Maggie Walker is under 1,000. Not sure but I think Col. Heights and Hopewell are down in that range as well. Maybe ArmyOfOne can set me straight on that.
I'll bet some team parents would like driving up and down 288 a lot better than those trips to Nottoway, too.
BTW, we have quite a few AAA schools in the region with fewer students than Powhatan, and I sometimes wonder why they don't just go AA and help themselves a bit. Some of the city schools have lost enrollment over the decades. I think Maggie Walker is under 1,000. Not sure but I think Col. Heights and Hopewell are down in that range as well. Maybe ArmyOfOne can set me straight on that.
And BTW, I know who Powhatan has on their roster and they are LOADED. And they are absolutely killing their opponents lately. I think the last three scores are something like 19-0, 19-1 and 20-0, including 2 5-inning no hitters to go with all the offense.
I don't care if you're playing the local 12u Little League team, that is absurdly dominant.
I don't care if you're playing the local 12u Little League team, that is absurdly dominant.
Wow this DR and Caroline game brought some decent conversation tonight. We have to take "out of district games" into perspective; that they really are only high speed live practice games to allot of coaches. Its gives there team chances to play at different levels and time for coaches to evaluate other players that they normally wouldn't have a chance to evaluate during a high pressure district game. I think it was great that Caroline coaching staff sought after these games with the Richmond teams and even better that the two Richmond teams accepted to play them. My hats off to DR, Midlothian and Caroline for giving us games worthy of talking about. Good conversation guys. Thanks you
Seems to me that DR has trouble "getting up" for the lesser games. L at Hermitage, tight win over PH, tight win over Caroline, but then they came through with high runs in their big ones versus Godwin, Freeman (x2), and Tucker. Just my observation.
quote:Originally posted by Pirates45:
Any thoughts from anyone on DR beating Caroline 3-2 this afternoon?? Caroline is an AA team that plays in the Battlefield league with teams like Spottsy, Monroe, Courtland and Eastern View. WHO?? This is a team that is #3 is the Central Region? I may be cynical, but these are teams you should be pounding. Feel free to share if these are teams that Dr should be playing to a 3-2 game. Would need some rationale.
And to confuse it more, Midlo beat Caroline, and then got no-hit by DR. Not having seen DR before, I asked fans if they were playing their normal starters, and for the most part they were it appears. Even though DR got 7-8 hits, only 1 was really hard hit (a shot of the CF wall), and the others were mostly bloop shots to right I believe. I know I saw only one game, but my first impression is that I agree with what someone said about them being more a pitching team..so with Boyle and Brooks, I wouldn't be surprised if their wins were 3-2 or 2-1 against some of the good teams. Again, just my first impression, and I'm sure there were several subs coming in during the game, and I think Brooks only batted once as a PH.
quote:Originally posted by BDistrictBaseball:
Just a side note to the Caroline/Deep Run game, who is to say Caroline had their ace pitching. They just played on Friday a district game. Maybe Caroline was probably throwing their number#3 or #4 pitchers.
I know a lot of the players on the Caroline team and they have been playing competitive travel baseball since the age of 9 or 10. My son used to play with some of them and was priviliged to be coached by some great coaches.
I wish the battlefield district would schedule more of their out of district games against the Richmond area schools.
Curious to see how King George another small Battlefield AA school does against Douglas Freeman tomorrow. Maybe you might be suprised by another close game.
Looks like King George dropped a tight one against Freeman, but KG put a hurting on Hermitage 23-10.