Coaches out there - if a DH has not been hitting anything for weeks, would you leave that DH in the line-up? Wanted to get some thoughts, cause we can't figure it out.
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Just a joke, we all wonder from time to time what the h**l coaches think. Reality is we all GET questioned regularly. As foreign as this may sound, I get questioned by my clubhouse manager (wife) for the most inane things around the house..."why can't he just put the seat down?" "Why can't he lift the seat to go?" "why does he sit with his pants unbuttoned with a beer to watch the Rangers?"
Just a joke, we all wonder from time to time what the h**l coaches think. Reality is we all GET questioned regularly. As foreign as this may sound, I get questioned by my clubhouse manager (wife) for the most inane things around the house..."why can't he just put the seat down?" "Why can't he lift the seat to go?" "why does he sit with his pants unbuttoned with a beer to watch the Rangers?"
I think it depends on whether the kid deserves a extra long chance to get out of his slump. Senior has proven to be a good hitter then you leave him in there maybe move him in the lineup. young kid maybe take him out make some adjustments and then start looking at using him in pinch hit situations or getting him some at bats late in a game. Nothing is worst then slumping besides not playing. If you have a kid that has come through and been there for you, you have to stick with him. Maybe pinch hit for him a time or two. Get his attention that way instead of pulling him. That's my take
quote:Originally posted by bbknut:
Hi, I am a recliner salesman and understand some of you are in need of some extra padded armchairs on our base model...
Just a joke, we all wonder from time to time what the h**l coaches think. Reality is we all GET questioned regularly. As foreign as this may sound, I get questioned by my clubhouse manager (wife) for the most inane things around the house..."why can't he just put the seat down?" "Why can't he lift the seat to go?" "why does he sit with his pants unbuttoned with a beer to watch the Rangers?"
Beer ??? If your gonna watch the Rangers play may I suggest something a little stronger...
Thank you Panthers 2009.
I think coaches leave hitters with proven ability in to try to get them going. Sitting out is a hard way to get going.However occasionally a kid going through a slump needs to sit out a game or two and let the game slow down a bit for them.
Everyday in practice, he may be the most consistent one that the coach sees hitting the ball.
quote:Originally posted by collikar:
Everyday in practice, he may be the most consistent one that the coach sees hitting the ball.
Are you referring to , nevermind, I will never figure it out
I think that if you don't like something, fix it... so go get your college degree, pass your teaching tests for Texas, and go interview for the job you want and coach the baseball team how YOU want...
or just sit in the stands and talk about this or that and how it isn't working... that doesn't take much talent/work....
T.O.L.- what do you think about the coaches approach to how he goes about teaching his students in tha classroom? Or do you even know or care about that? Just curious...
Remember, baseball is an EXTRAcurricular activity...
or just sit in the stands and talk about this or that and how it isn't working... that doesn't take much talent/work....
T.O.L.- what do you think about the coaches approach to how he goes about teaching his students in tha classroom? Or do you even know or care about that? Just curious...
Remember, baseball is an EXTRAcurricular activity...
Diablo - I was just trying to get some insights to the way coaches might be thinking. It was just a question, to get some thoughts.
I do have a teaching degree and teach! I have never heard anything about how this coach teaches a classroom. I wasn't asking about that, I was asking about baseball. Two different issuess. Theres always going to be questions and people talking in the stands, that is the way it is in anything we do in life.
I do have a teaching degree and teach! I have never heard anything about how this coach teaches a classroom. I wasn't asking about that, I was asking about baseball. Two different issuess. Theres always going to be questions and people talking in the stands, that is the way it is in anything we do in life.
man diablo you really are the devil. thinking out loud was just asking a question. that is what this site is for sometimes. he didn't name any names he just wanted coaches insights. sounds like you have fallen victim to some bad experiences with parents. hang in there diablo and don't let anybody affect the way you coach your team
TOL- Your quote should read: "Baseball is full of drama, because parents attend games."
Panther09- don't coach high school... stipend doesn't come close to compensating time... no bad experiences... just love parents two cents- it's always the same.... parents exaggerate everything when their son is not playing... looking back at origional post, do you really think there is a DH anywhere who has NOT HIT ANYTHING FOR WEEKS and is still starting every game?
I would bet my next paycheck that every DH on every high school team in Texas has hit at least something in the last "x" amount of weeks...
JMO
Panther09- don't coach high school... stipend doesn't come close to compensating time... no bad experiences... just love parents two cents- it's always the same.... parents exaggerate everything when their son is not playing... looking back at origional post, do you really think there is a DH anywhere who has NOT HIT ANYTHING FOR WEEKS and is still starting every game?
I would bet my next paycheck that every DH on every high school team in Texas has hit at least something in the last "x" amount of weeks...
JMO
quote:Originally posted by thinking out loud:
Coaches out there - if a DH has not been hitting anything for weeks, would you leave that DH in the line-up? Wanted to get some thoughts, cause we can't figure it out.
What if DH is 0-12 with 2 ground outs, 5 line outs, 2 fly outs, 3 K's, and 3 walks?
What if DH is 0-10 with 3 ground outs, 3 K's, 2 sacrifice bunts, moved runners from second to 3rd with less than two outs 4 times?
Good one Ken I almost fell for telling you to check your math
quote:What if DH is 0-12 with 2 ground outs, 5 line outs, 2 fly outs, 3 K's, and 3 walks?
What if DH is 0-10 with 3 ground outs, 3 K's, 2 sacrifice bunts, moved runners from second to 3rd with less than two outs 4 times?
KG- Exactly....
quote:do you really think there is a DH anywhere who has NOT HIT ANYTHING FOR WEEKS and is still starting every game
I have seen a HS coach play a senior in CF for an entire district season who hit .000 in district.
quote:I have seen a HS coach play a senior in CF for an entire district season who hit .000 in district.
Shoot,so that's why I got fired!
D.c.H. - You sure do have something against parents. Guess maybe your not one, but if you are I'm sure you have never put in your 2 cents in like you do here.
Maybe my quote should say, "Baseball is full of drama because of Diablo con Huevos!
Ken, that would be great of this DH did all that, but he hasn't. If he had, I would have never posted the question.
Thank you all for your insights.
Maybe my quote should say, "Baseball is full of drama because of Diablo con Huevos!
Ken, that would be great of this DH did all that, but he hasn't. If he had, I would have never posted the question.
Thank you all for your insights.
dbg- well, he was talking about a "DH" who is in the game just to hit (hence the name)... but, would you start a catcher who might go hitless in district, but blocked every ball and threw out 100% of baserunners? maybe the CF was in for defensive purposes.... BIG difference in playing a catcher/SS/CF who struggles with stick and playing a DH who struggles...
what I read was "DH" HASN'T HIT ANYTHING... so no moving runners, no sac flys, nothing... i was just disagreeing that that was going on... and I have no idea where TOL is from... but there isn't a DH in Texas who is 0 for contact over a three week timespan who hasn't been pulled...
IMHO, it was a parent making a statement that was far from true (imagine that...)
BUT dbg so he went about 0-50 never put the ball in play and was a CF... interesting.... maybe he set a school record for BB or HBP?
what I read was "DH" HASN'T HIT ANYTHING... so no moving runners, no sac flys, nothing... i was just disagreeing that that was going on... and I have no idea where TOL is from... but there isn't a DH in Texas who is 0 for contact over a three week timespan who hasn't been pulled...
IMHO, it was a parent making a statement that was far from true (imagine that...)
BUT dbg so he went about 0-50 never put the ball in play and was a CF... interesting.... maybe he set a school record for BB or HBP?
quote:Originally posted by thinking out loud:
Ken, that would be great of this DH did all that, but he hasn't. If he had, I would have never posted the question.
I guess I'm having a hard time coming up with an answer you might be looking for.
What specifically are you looking to get answered?
Or are you just "thinking out loud"?
dch - I added my comment to this thread to illustrate the possibility that ToL could be reporting accurately. I have witnessed it with a different position.
The coaching and scouting 'elite' in the TX forum are so quick to denigrate any observations from the parents; or question their motives. I felt compelled to offer an example that supports the possibility that ToL's observations are accurate.
To agree w/ Ken & Diablo while stating the obvious: It is very possible to contribute to team success while not carrying strong offensive statistics. Easier to accomplish if you're not a DH.
The coaching and scouting 'elite' in the TX forum are so quick to denigrate any observations from the parents; or question their motives. I felt compelled to offer an example that supports the possibility that ToL's observations are accurate.
To agree w/ Ken & Diablo while stating the obvious: It is very possible to contribute to team success while not carrying strong offensive statistics. Easier to accomplish if you're not a DH.
dbg- amen. 
Ken - yes, I guess I was just t.o.l. Just wanted some thoughts from coaches that's it. Thanks for your reply.
Didn't realize a simple question would stir up so much "controversy". But, I guess that why this site is here. It is what it is. I would not have asked if it was not true.
Diablo - how do you know what is true if you are not here watching it? Imagine that.
I guess parents don't have the right to ask or say anything in your eyes. I am NOT one of those kind of parents that you keep refering too. The kind of parents that you just "love", have given other parents a sterotype, and it is not right to judge all parents the same way. Like I said, you must have never questioned anything or made any comments. Hummm....
Funny how my question went from what I asked to bashing parents.
I think I am done with this subject.
Didn't realize a simple question would stir up so much "controversy". But, I guess that why this site is here. It is what it is. I would not have asked if it was not true.
Diablo - how do you know what is true if you are not here watching it? Imagine that.
I guess parents don't have the right to ask or say anything in your eyes. I am NOT one of those kind of parents that you keep refering too. The kind of parents that you just "love", have given other parents a sterotype, and it is not right to judge all parents the same way. Like I said, you must have never questioned anything or made any comments. Hummm....Funny how my question went from what I asked to bashing parents.
I think I am done with this subject.
TOL -- there are a number of regular posters here that love to lump all parents together into a selfish, unpleasant, self-promoting group that live to make life miserable for coaches. I know some parents fit that mold....most do not. Many have stopped posting here because they grew tired of their opinions being criticized (on a generic level). But....as you said...the site is what it is....and opinions are valued by many.
Besides, there are just some that are always right. When you learn who they are here (in addition to me)....you'll be ahead of the game. Keep posting.
Besides, there are just some that are always right. When you learn who they are here (in addition to me)....you'll be ahead of the game. Keep posting.
I always found it easier to coach from the stands after the play was over. So far I'm 100% right. If it was questionable, I just blamed the umpire.
quote:Originally posted by Maverick0714:
I always found it easier to coach from the stands after the play was over. So far I'm 100% right. If it was questionable, I just blamed the umpire.
quote:Originally posted by thinking out loud:
Ken - yes, I guess I was just t.o.l. Just wanted some thoughts from coaches that's it. Thanks for your reply.
No problem.
And to add to what Panther Dad is saying...
There are coaches that tend to put a barrier up in regards to questioning their decisions or acts.
Personally, I don't mind anyone questioning anything I do as a coach. I'm pretty confident I can debate the doubt.
As long as you don't sugar coat it. Just say exactly what you mean.
Example........
I would have prefered your question to go something like this.....
"Coach Guthrie has played Little Johnny for two weeks now in the DH role without any production. He is 0-20, no executions, and no walks. Would other coaches keep a player with this production in the line up?"
Now this forum, and many others, "is what it is" because society has learned to hide behind screen names and assumptions.
Personally, your question wasn't anything difficult to understand, but your motive behind the question wasn't either.
That's exactly why coaches tend to "lump" parents at times.
If your going to question something, get right in there and question it with all the facts and names on the table.
But if your just going to put your toe in the water to see what the temp. is, you will never know how cold or hot it really feels.
Ken -- I don't disagree with many of your points, but it's not appropriate to mention (by name) specific "non-performing" players here. Situations and statistics are ok, but to say "Johnny Depp is 0-22 and he still plays because his dad is booster club president" <-- will benefit no one. I agree that statistics can be misleading. My son is 0-1 (pitching) at Mizzou --- but the coach keeps using him....what is the coach thinking?????
And for those of you -- whoever you are -- past or present -- that think I hide behind a screen name -- PM me and I'll reveal myself.
And for those of you -- whoever you are -- past or present -- that think I hide behind a screen name -- PM me and I'll reveal myself.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
TOL -- there are a number of regular posters here that love to lump all parents together into a selfish, unpleasant, self-promoting group that live to make life miserable for coaches. I know some parents fit that mold....most do not. Many have stopped posting here because they grew tired of their opinions being criticized (on a generic level). But....as you said...the site is what it is....and opinions are valued by many.
Besides, there are just some that are always right. When you learn who they are here (in addition to me)....you'll be ahead of the game. Keep posting.
THANK YOU PD....Well said!quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Ken -- I don't disagree with many of your points, but it's not appropriate to mention (by name) specific "non-performing" players here. Situations and statistics are ok, but to say "Johnny Depp is 0-22 and he still plays because his dad is booster club president" <-- will benefit no one. I agree that statistics can be misleading. My son is 0-1 (pitching) at Mizzou --- but the coach keeps using him....what is the coach thinking?????
And for those of you -- whoever you are -- past or present -- that think I hide behind a screen name -- PM me and I'll reveal myself.
Um, you missed the point.
No worries, carry on.
I often miss your points. I've learned to live with that fact. As a matter of fact, his question was impossible to answer with the facts that were originally presented. I thought your original answer was good -- indicating that a kid's value can be measured in many ways.
Since you often mention people hiding behind screen names (a common characteristic of message boards), I'm surely over-sensitive to the comment.
It's all good.
Since you often mention people hiding behind screen names (a common characteristic of message boards), I'm surely over-sensitive to the comment.
It's all good.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
I often miss your points. I've learned to live with that fact.
Hang in there...constant adjustment is key.
quote:As a matter of fact, his question was impossible to answer with the facts that were originally presented.
Nothing is impossible. Just depends if your trying to draw substance from it.
quote:Since you often mention people hiding behind screen names (a common characteristic of message boards), I'm surely over-sensitive to the comment.
Yeah, shake it off. You'll get another AB.