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When do the bigger D1’s usually contact you, if they are ever going to? Reason I ask is my son is hearing from a couple of JC’s, a couple of D3’s, several D2’s, a number of smaller D1’s, and even a couple of MLB clubs but the larger D1s are noticeably silent even though his summer coach says that several have asked about him. This while 07’s that he feels he is as good as have already committed.

A little background. My son is a 6’2” 214 lb. rising senior that just ran a 7.04 sec 60 yd dash, had sub 2.0 pop times, and hit extremely well at a recent MLB tryout camp. The scout told him that he did very well behind the dish catching bull pens and that he, the scout, was going to follow my son’s progress and was going to come and watch him play in the spring. His summer coach, an ex-mid level D1 coach, says he can play at the high D1 level. He led this coach’s 18U fall team in BA and Slugging% last fall as a rising junior. His HS coach, an ex-college player, says he has ACC/SEC ability. My son lead this coaches 20win HS team, 4A classification – states largest, in 7 offensive statistics including BA, Slugging%, RBIs, HRs, & 2Bs. He had the same number of HR’s as he did strikeouts so he is very consistent. He also had 4w/0l/4s pitching with a 1.91 ERA as a RHP. He hit a high of 88 on a recruiters radar gun. He was named Offensive MVP, 1st team All-Conference, Area POY, 2nd team All-County (in the states most populus county – close to 1 million), and made his regions State Games team. He attended PG’s Atlantic Coast Underclass Showcase last summer and made the Top Prospects Team. He can play multiple positions but mostly C/1B/P with a little 3B. He has a 3.5 GPA taking AP courses and made 1500+ on the new SAT. 1010 on the old scale. He has never been in trouble and I am told by his guidance counselor that he is well liked by his classmates as well as his teammates.

Now I’m not all gung ho on him attending the big State U. I want him to go to a school where he can fit in academically, socially, and see some early playing time. In short my number 1 want is for him to be successful where he goes and would be fine if he chose JC, D3, D2 or smaller D1. In fact he really likes a smaller private D1 that has shown some interest in him. BUT, he is beginning to feel he has done something wrong or missed something somewhere because of this silence. Personally, I would like him to have the opportunity to compare a bigger school to those he is currently hearing from.

Before I go, I don’t post much – primarily read, I want to take time to thank the HSBBW and the people that post. Some level of my sons success is owed to those who provide information and opinions on this site. Many of my questions have been answered many times over before I even get a chance to ask but in this case I just cann’t help but feel my son has slipped through the crack to some extent, some where.
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the larger D1s are noticeably silent even though his summer coach says that several have asked about him.


Maybe a more agressive approach would work for you. Rather than wait for the phone to ring, why not send him to one or more of the summer camps of the schools that have already approached the summer coach? You can call them on the phone and tell them about your interest and mention that one of their recruiters has already seen your son play and inquired about him. This was basically my approach and it worked for us. Good luck Smile
Recruiting is very mysterious. A player can do all the right things, show well and actually be a top D1 player, proven by dominating top D1 teams after going to college, but never be recruited hard by the ACC/SEC teams.

I've seen those teams spend an inordinate amount of time recruiting the top talent that either turns pro out of high school or can't stick academicaly and should have turned pro. It's a numbers game with them though.

Big State U. can take all the studs they want, pay them peanuts, waiting to find out who actually has big game guts and who will make grades, letting the rest of the players figure out their next move. For example, the Gators had 6 catchers rostered last year.....and still finished last. Too many catchers and not enough pitchers.

Anyone can recruit big talent. Recruiting talented gamers takes skill.

Control what you can. Don't worry about who is not recruiting you. Go where you are wanted and don't look back. Just make those guys WISH they had tried harder to sign you. jmo
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Michael'sDad - Your son sounds similar to my own Michael in HS. It may be that your son is on some larger DI's lists, but not on their "A" list. They are calling the "A"s right now, and depending on what happens there, big State U may still call your son before the early signing period or shortly after the early signing period when/if they don't get some of the other kids they're wanting.

If there's one that your son is really interested in, then I think CD has good advice. If not, sounds like he has plenty of opportunities and I can assure you that it gets pretty exhausting and distracting talking with and visiting schools. I'd suggest your son get started working with those he's hearing from - beginning with the ones he thinks are the best fit first.

Good luck to your Michael!
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Michael's Dad,

IMO, Cleveland Dad has the right approach...A little more agressive...

IMO, not to worry, you are in the PERFECT and very enviable position; obvious, demonstrated, statistical and scout verifiable talent. No pressure to sign by schools that you might have marginal intrest in...while hoping for interest from a better fit.

Here is the plan IMO...

YOU decide what schools best fit for YOU.

Ask for suggestions, entres, or reccomendations from those who have expressed respect for your son's talent.

Research schools....academic, baseball, coaches, team needs, social, geographic, environment...Make a preferred list and contact all those coaches by phone and express researched interest. I think you'll find some solid interest. Coaches love kids who have demonstrated/verifiable talent, real interest in their school/program for the right reasons and have done their homework.

Cool 44
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Michael's Dad,

Your post shows you have good perspective on the whole mystical maddening process, and the posters above have given sound advice. The ultimate proof of where the Major D-1 interest lies is in the phone calls....but you never completely know for sure.

A couple years ago, I spoke to the father of a pretty sound player (and an outstanding student) around late May, and he said his son had received mild interest at best, nothing solid, and might walk on at a D-3 or a D-1 (very few D-2's in this area). A couple weeks later, an ACC school cancelled a scholarship of a recruit that was arrested, this kid's name came up as being pretty decent player, and a wonderful young man that surely would never be arrested for anything, and they called him, almost out of the blue. He signed, has seen some playing time, and is doing very well.

Moral: you just never know for sure, and never say never, but as a general rule of thumb, the schools that seriously call will indicate the truest level of interest.

Good luck and enjoy the ride.
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Originally posted by TRhit:
Perhaps he is not a Major D-1 Prospect---the proof of the pudding is in the calls and letters--


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Originally posted by TRhit:
RELAX--- all will be fine--- if they do not call July 1 dont worry about it--not that many calls are made on the 1st of July--- if they said they will be calling that means they have interest and they will call--just go about your nortmal life and let things happen as they will


As you can see... It is all very confusing as to what should/does happen after July 1.
This web site has all the information that you will need to help the college recuiting process. Being on this site shows that you interested and want to help. It's time to take the bull by the horns and do something.

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larger D1s are noticeably silent even though his summer coach says that several have asked about him.


Here's your start, find out exactly who has contacted him. (College and Name of Coach) Research the College web site, look at the roster and see how your son fits in. As your son is a catcher, how many catchers are currently on the team, which catcher is the #1 guy, is he a senior or a soph? How many catchers are in reserve? Are the bull pen catchers just that, or are they upcoming players? What is each guys BA and where did he hit in the lineup?

Once your have mined the web site and know where your son would fit in....

Have your son call the coach.

There are questions and comments on this web site for him to have a logical professional discussion with a coach.

Follow up this conversation with a written resume of your son baseball life and a personal letter from your son thanking the coach for his time.

Follow the letter up with another telephone call to the coach to make sure the coach got the letter. Have your son remind the coach that he is very interested in becomeing a **** (Titan, Owl, Longhorn, etc.) and ask the coach for a visit to the campus. (On Dad's dime)

Then let the recuirting rollercoaster begin.

PM the Bullwinkle if you want other ideas.
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Many thanks all. ClevelandDad, Observer44 & Bullwinkle you all have good advice. I'll try to find out who exactly contacted the coach, I know the schools but not the coaches, and contact them and perhaps try to have my son attend some camps this fall. I'm pretty much tapped out financially this summer and he's pretty much scheduled out as he is scheduled for a PG showcase in mid-August and a large in-state showcase in early August after summer ball is over. I'll also do some research on needs and get my son to make some new contacts.

Til then we'll just wait and see what develops and, more importantly to me, see what my son feels confortable with.

Hokieone, you a VT fan? If so, what do you think about the new coach there? That is one of the schools my son would be interested in as it seems like it would be a good place to get in on a rebuilding effort and they have excellent academics.
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Michaels' Dad,
Great posts from many who have been there and learned.
There should be no reason why your son feels that he has done anything wrong, you have stated that he is getting calls and letters. Perhaps not from the ones he was expecting, but he does seem to have interest.
Having a son who plays for one of the larger schools, I have said many times it is not necessarily the best or right choice for many. It like anything else has it's good points and bad points, a downside that freshman rarely get an opportunity to play as much as they would like.
If your son has his sights set on a few particular larger schools, and has sent resumes, no harm in calling or emailing for inquiries, introductions. Sometimes you will be surprised to find that son is being considered, however, there may be another player in front of him with more consideration at this time.
That's where being the A, B or C player comes into the picture. I am sure most parents here will tell you they prefer that their son goes to a school where he is most wanted, not because someone else didn't show up, but that is a personal decision.
As far as top talent being offered opportunities at larger schools, I have a friend that said something to me a week ago that made a lot of sense. While mine was in the top 25, his was in the top 600 (I think he was teasing), they both ended up at the same place, with the same opportunity (different positions). I think that many times we do not realize that a coach recruits on needs, pitchers have a greater opportunity because more pitchers are needed each year.

The school where my son attends lost a lot to the draft (signees and players). There have been 3 players signed for this fall already. That may be an indication to you, that although it's nice to get into the early fall signing, better things can come along in the spring! Smile

I hope that this makes sense, I hope that you can go back to your son and explain that the silence does not mean he has done anything wrong.
Michaelsdad,

IMO - Unless you are a highly talented and/or highly publicized and/or highly connected kid - it is pure hit or miss.

Sure - The kid has to have talent - but tons of kids do. All over this country.

When it comes to college recruiting - No matter what anyone tells you - it is all about timing - and luck - and connections.

Hopefully - you will have all 3.

The best you can do is be as prepared as possible - and hope for the best.

Wink
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All will work out, but it is right for you to recognize that the player may feel that he somehow did something wrong or that he is somehow less of an athlete if the D1 does not call......

The thing to keep telling your player is that playing college baseball on any level is an achievement that is only dreamed of by the VAST majority of all HS baseball players......

I was umpiring a local tournament and the backstop was full of "has beens and never weres".....all of them guys Ive known for years..... they were discussing the local boys who have gone on to play college baseball....(my son included).......One particular guy was extremely derogatory about the fact that many of these players had gone JUCO or D3 or NAIA.....and as such were not "good"........

I couldnt resist....just before going on the field I just had to say " hey ---- remind everyone what level of baseball you got recruited to play........

The giggles where worth it all.......

The truth and the reality are that maybe he wont go D1, not maybe because of talent, but need or maybe he will go D2-3 NAIA, or JUCO....but in any way its all SUCESS!!!!

best of luck...
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I couldnt resist....just before going on the field I just had to say " hey ---- remind everyone what level of baseball you got recruited to play........


Great quote Big Grin

From another thread and posted by FO:

The top 50 D1's in the country are gonna recruit about 750 players, many of which will be transfers from jucos.

Add the next 50, and, maybe we are talking about 1,500 players.

From an article on this website:

Playing in College

High School seniors = 114,159
College "seniors" (or sophomores when related to juco's) = 13,137
That means their are 114,159 graduating high seniors versus 13,137 slots open

114,159/13,137 = 10.1

1 high school player in every 10 has a chance to play in college

And, only the top ten percent of that 10% will play at the top 50 programs.

Several excellent articles are on this website.

"THE ODDS FOR PLAYING COLLEGE / PRO BASEBALL"

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/articles_part1.htm

"Why I Dislike July the 1st
by: Bob Howdeshell

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/july_first.htm

"No Early Signing"
"What To Do Next"
by: Bob Howdeshell

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/no_early_signing.htm
ClevelandDad that really puts it into perspective.

Some things that these top D1 programs want and will sometimes insist on are....Charachter...Leadership...Work ethic...Intensity...Academic success...and Charisma. These could be called the "tools" of personality. The more you have, combined with the phsical tools, the better chance a player will be recruited by the top programs.

These attributes or the lack of them (even if percieved) can be a deciding factor.
Many coaches recruit on players' personalities. It's important for team chemistry.

A really good recruiter takes his time to get to know each one he is recruiting before he make an offer, through emails or phone conversations initiated by the recruit who is encouraged to call often during the recruting process. Or often the recruiter will rely on HS, travel team coaches who may know the recruit to inquire about how he gets along with his teammates and the coach himself.
I wouldn't say this is usually the norm, but you will find most winning teams win due to their chemistry (not just talent) and that is very important to many coaches.
does he want to go to school to earn a degree for a profession?or does he want to go to school to play baseball? i assume he's trying to do both.most kids are better at one or the other,some are good at both .if he's trying to be an engineer or a lawyer look at those schools first.more than likely you'll find a fit.
i don't intend to slam anyone but sometimes it's our ego that wants a big d1.i wish you and your son success which ever way it works out.and it will work out. good luck

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