For those that have kids that have transfered from their initial school to another and had academic money, were they able to get comparable awards at their new school?
My 2020 is in the transfer portal (will post more about that when the dust settles) and we're seeing transfer scholarships being significantly less than what you would get as a freshman. My son had over a 3.1 GPA and was on the Dean's list this past semester. Academically these are all similar to where he was at.
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Generally transfer scholarships are much less than scholarships for entering Freshmen.
As with any business negotiation, it’s all about leverage. An incoming freshman has more options and thus more leverage, in general, than a transfer player.
An exception as always is the transfer portal kid who has legit MLB potential and/or is a pitcher who throws upper 90’s. Now that is leverage
@3and2Fastball posted:As with any business negotiation, it’s all about leverage. An incoming freshman has more options and thus more leverage, in general, than a transfer player.
An exception as always is the transfer portal kid who has legit MLB potential and/or is a pitcher who throws upper 90’s. Now that is leverage
The above is right on the money....no pun intended.
However, I have heard, once or twice, of a coach bringing in a player that contributes more to the team GPA than the BA or ERA.
Thanks all. Taking baseball out of the equation, as d-mac pointed out, less money for transfers. But it seems like there are many factors that can play into it such as major, etc. Also I'm learning that picking up the phone, calling admissions and asking for more can help.
not too good for the self-esteem:
Son has carried a 3.5 gpa for 3 years and being out of state there is no scholarship money at his P5. I would not think that a 3.1 would warrant academic scholarship money at any level. But maybe I'm out of the loop. With all this 4.5 and 5.2 gpa's, my son's 3.5 seems very low to me.
Plenty of non HA schools have freshman merit awards for anything over 3.0 from HS. Honestly I rarely hear of anyone going into college these days that isn't offered *something*. I don't mean as a baseball player, just as a breathing person ;-). But, most of these seem to not exist for transfer students.
For example one of the schools my son is considering gives money just for coming from his particular HS to incoming freshman, but this doesn't exist for transfers it seems.
I don't think most colleges give extra points above 4.0, that's a high-school thing for honors and AP classes. So a 3.5 in college is a great GPA.
Every situation at every school is different. Really hard to paint this topic with a broad brush. Anecdotal experiences are more relevant IMO. My son was very good student at a top 1% public HS in America. When he went off to JuCo in Oklahoma he received academic scholarship & due to HS gpa and test scores. He was a 2 time Academic All American in JuCo and when he transferred to his 4 year school in Oklahoma he again received some academic money. Part of it was from a general fund and part of it was specific to his field of study. In both cases the amount of academic $ was helpful. It covered appropriately 20% of what wasn’t covered by athletic scholarship $.
@PitchingFan posted:Son has carried a 3.5 gpa for 3 years and being out of state there is no scholarship money at his P5. I would not think that a 3.1 would warrant academic scholarship money at any level. But maybe I'm out of the loop. With all this 4.5 and 5.2 gpa's, my son's 3.5 seems very low to me.
High school grading systems are inconsistent across the board. 4.0 was the highest gpa at my kid’s high school. Internally they had another calculation to determine class rank based on on more challenging courses. My son kids had higher class ranks than students with a higher.
In college there’s one system based on 4.0. 3.5 is halfway between B+ (3.3) and A- (3,7). What can vary in college is the gpa that qualifies a student for honors.
@RJM posted:In college there’s one system based on 4.0. 3.5 is halfway between B+ (3.3) and A- (3,7). What can vary in college is the gpa that qualifies a student for honors.
Not to drift this thread further, but there are schools with forced curves too, and I don't mean the kind that will help a student. Columbia Business School had a forced curve down. A few decades ago, students complained they couldn't differentiate with employers due to too many A's, so only 15% could get A's (HP at Columbia). If 20% of the class got a 93+, the bottom 25% of that group got a B (P at Columbia instead). Also, no +/-. Some colleges are notorious tough graders, and I have another anecdote I will keep to myself on that topic. I have to agree with anotherparent that 3.5 is the rule of thumb dividing line for great performance but I guess the major matters too.
FYI - i also read somewhere that in the 80's the average college GPA was like 2.5, now it's like 3.1.
@adbono posted:Every situation at every school is different. Really hard to paint this topic with a broad brush. Anecdotal experiences are more relevant IMO. My son was very good student at a top 1% public HS in America. When he went off to JuCo in Oklahoma he received academic scholarship & due to HS gpa and test scores. He was a 2 time Academic All American in JuCo and when he transferred to his 4 year school in Oklahoma he again received some academic money. Part of it was from a general fund and part of it was specific to his field of study. In both cases the amount of academic $ was helpful. It covered appropriately 20% of what wasn’t covered by athletic scholarship $.
That other 80%: was it inappropriate? Or just inappropriately covered? What are you trying to tell us?
I thought they didn't allow that kind of thing in Oklahoma.
Seriously, though, this hs gpa stuff is whack. It's why many HA schools, especially Ivy's, depended on SAT/ACT scores as well as grades. Putting aside the obvious issues those tests have re: who has access to test prep etc., SAT/ACT scores used to be something of a common denominator. Anyone know if the Academic Index the Ivys use is still a "thing" but with different components?
Re: Average GPA is now 3.1
When my kids headed for college I told them if they didn’t get a 3.5 they were wasting their time and my money. And do an internship.
I will tell you that my college GPA was in the 3.1-3.2 range, which had no impact on my life.
@smokeminside posted:That other 80%: was it inappropriate? Or just inappropriately covered? What are you trying to tell us?
I thought they didn't allow that kind of thing in Oklahoma.
Seriously, though, this hs gpa stuff is whack. It's why many HA schools, especially Ivy's, depended on SAT/ACT scores as well as grades. Putting aside the obvious issues those tests have re: who has access to test prep etc., SAT/ACT scores used to be something of a common denominator. Anyone know if the Academic Index the Ivys use is still a "thing" but with different components?
I swear I typed “approximately” My phone is evil!
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:I will tell you that my college GPA was in the 3.1-3.2 range, which had no impact on my life.
I started college during the dotc om era. I wanted nothing to do with college at the time. I wanted to make money. I got my degree from a state school just to have it. I've managed people for the last 20+ years with degrees from MIT, Stanford, RIT, etc. Not saying those schools aren't the top of the top, but other things factor in.
Currently working in finance in NYC, "you eat what you kill" is still valid.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:I will tell you that my college GPA was in the 3.1-3.2 range, which had no impact on my life.
In the first round, cattle call on campus interviews the company I went to work for asked two questions that mattered? 1) Do you have a math oriented major? 2) is your gpa in your gpa above 3.2?
That company opened doors for the first seven years that allowed me to take the risk of starting my own company.
Conversely, several years later we hired an programmer who quickly became VP of Technology. He found the HA he attended freshmen year to be boring and repetitive to what he already knew. At the time he never could have risen that high in in corporate environment without a degree. A technology person could now.
I know people in the finance world (insurance and investments) who have done incredibly well with just a high school degree. The jobs take passing a test to be certified and working hard.
College grade inflation is a huge thing, mostly because admins and professors hear way to much from parents complaining about grades, Imagine that, a parent getting involved with the college about grades. my parents would yell at me, not blame the college, even if I had the balls to complain to them it was the professor, they'd just ask, "oh, the professor had it in for you huh?, are you sure that it wasn't because he didn't like the fact that you maybe showed up on quiz and exam days only?" - they knew me so well.
As far as transfer money (academic) money, it can work the other way, my nephew transferred to a better school (not baseball related) and got more merit money during the transfer than he got from this school out of HS (the reason he didn't go there originally). but Grade wise he performed very well in college for 2 years and I guess that carried more weight than his HS academic performance.
