Apples,Oranges and Kiwis.
You want a scholarship gurantee not based on atheletic performance, go to the Big 10. Guranteed for 4 years.
Service academies would be a excellent choice and the Ivy's seem to overlook performance on the field as a deal breaker. Yes I know no scholarships are not offered at those schools. But if your looking to play without the stress of looking at 20+ recruiting classes every year.
So how do you know. I would look at recruiting classes. It's been my experience that a large recruiting classes will dictate considerable movement within the roster on a given year. Your probably not going to get much developmental time in these programs. Pretty much an opportunity, would be all that you could expect. And of course, what you do with that opportunity will determine your immediate future. I believe these programs are under considerable pressure to win and if you were to prioritise a players college baseball experience 1.Baseball 2. Academics 3. Baseball (with 2&3 not necessarily in that order) would pretty well sum it up within these programs.
The boys freshmen year was a success,recieved some conference and national recognition. As a family we were wondering based on the year,if he would get a bump in scholarship $$$. The coahing staff explained to him,that they were going to renew the scholarship with no increase. They went on to explain he met their minimum requirements.
In retrospect I think it's a bit naive to think that a coach is looking out for your kids best interest, to be a mentor, to help him develop. After all. Would you trust your families future to a bunch of 18-21 year olds?
quote:In retrospect I think it's a bit naive to think that a coach is looking out for your kids best interest, to be a mentor, to help him develop. After all. Would you trust your families future to a bunch of 18-21 year olds?
I may be misinterpreting this, but would it not be in a Coach's best interest to make sure his commitment and investment in the young man(scholarship) pays off by doing just that,looking out for the players best interests by mentoring, developing,etc him?? Would that not be what helps him win games and thusly, be in position to stay gainfully employed for his family's future??
quote:Originally posted by sandlot dad:
I do not think you have an appreciation or respect for how hard that really is for the student athlete, especially a D1 guy.
You must be joking.
I think you might be confused. The OP (original post) was about cutting scholarships, not about over recruiting. I have no issue with calling out coaches that over recruit, neither does the NCAA.
I don't get what you are saying, about a player reaching his ceiling? Do you mean that it's impossible for him to get better? If he isn't progessing as an athlete, why is he there? Wouldn't he be better off going to a place where he could play as a starter rather than 3 at bats a week guy?
Do you really think that coaches cut scholarships just because a player has reached his ceiling? I don't. There are many programs where the expectations are so high the coaches cannot afford to have half of their staff not being able to "handle" that level of baseball. Then there are programs where it doesn't matter, keep that in mind as well as in some programs it's big business. The player and his family need to make decisions based on whether he can keep up with the academic program as well as the athletic program.
IMO, I do beleive that most of the time the player doesn't fit in, hasn't worked hard enough, cutting scholarships is just a way for the coach to put the decision in the players hands, to stay or move forward. Being a good teammate isn't a reason why a coach should keep him on, unless he has leadership capability and a good clubhouse influence. This kind of reminds me of the topic where dad felt that conditioning and practice was cutting into time for other things. Well, if that is how he feels, why did you send him to a top conference school in the first place?????
I asked where your players attended, mine went to Clemson University. So please do not make a statement I don't really understand or appreciate how hard a D1 student athlete needs to work.
Let me tell you how it is. I agree with TR, this in some cases is our players first experience in the real world and in the real world of sports. I think that perhaps YOU don't understand how hard one must work in any college program to beat out the competition, the next guy, the younger more talented guy, that is what is is all about. That is what life is about. Where my son went to school, if you were not one of the top players in the program you'd better make sure that you were working your butt off everyday to keep up. Not because you would lose yor scholarship, but because you would sit on the bench, and one does not get better by doing that.
Do you understand that?
All I have said is that it is unfair to call out programs where a coach has cut scholarships, because you determining that it was unfair is unfair, unless you are 100% aware of the circumstance and the reason. And keep in mind, you usually are hearing one side, which is the players.
quote:Originally posted by leojames:quote:In retrospect I think it's a bit naive to think that a coach is looking out for your kids best interest, to be a mentor, to help him develop. After all. Would you trust your families future to a bunch of 18-21 year olds?
I may be misinterpreting this, but would it not be in a Coach's best interest to make sure his commitment and investment in the young man(scholarship) pays off by doing just that,looking out for the players best interests by mentoring, developing,etc him?? Would that not be what helps him win games and thusly, be in position to stay gainfully employed for his family's future??
A very important reason why my son made his decision was based upon the promise of developing him as a player, the scholarship was secondary. Everyone makes decisions for their own reasons.
sandlot Dad,
I apologize for not doing this sooner, but I went back and read some of your pervious posts and understand that your son had a situation where you might have perceived as being honest. The situation in which you describe, IMO is reality.
I am sorry that you might have joined our community a bit late, perhaps you would have understood more about the process and expectations and what happened to your son in NOT unusual or deceitful.
The coaches job is to put the best 9 on the field, and the players job is to seize the opportunity given to him (no matter how many players of the same on the team). The job goes to the guy who beats out the competition. I don't think that in the recruiting process that has to be discussed, it should be understood.
JMO
I apologize for not doing this sooner, but I went back and read some of your pervious posts and understand that your son had a situation where you might have perceived as being honest. The situation in which you describe, IMO is reality.
I am sorry that you might have joined our community a bit late, perhaps you would have understood more about the process and expectations and what happened to your son in NOT unusual or deceitful.
The coaches job is to put the best 9 on the field, and the players job is to seize the opportunity given to him (no matter how many players of the same on the team). The job goes to the guy who beats out the competition. I don't think that in the recruiting process that has to be discussed, it should be understood.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by leojames:quote:In retrospect I think it's a bit naive to think that a coach is looking out for your kids best interest, to be a mentor, to help him develop. After all. Would you trust your families future to a bunch of 18-21 year olds?
I may be misinterpreting this, but would it not be in a Coach's best interest to make sure his commitment and investment in the young man(scholarship) pays off by doing just that,looking out for the players best interests by mentoring, developing,etc him?? Would that not be what helps him win games and thusly, be in position to stay gainfully employed for his family's future??
In a perfect world.
I think one could argue, rather than logging hundreds of hours every year on the recruiting trail, that time would be better spent developing your existing players. You know, the fringe players not the top draft picks etc.. But they can't because of time constraints. So the top conferences will continue to harvest the high profile guys. Take a look at UT's player profiles. Their resumes are incredible in additon to being very deep at virtually every position. As is Fullerton, Clemson,Vanderbilt,Rice,your usual suspects in the CWS.
My point, IMO talented players make great coaches more often than great coaches make talented players . If you don't have quality your going need quanity. And if you need quanity it's easier to get 50-60 guys in the fall and find out who can play then deal with the fallout. Rather than roll the dice on 8 guys to fill the spots from last years graduating class and hope they all buy into the program. You need to move alot dirt to find a diamond.
What sucks is if after all your due diligence your commit to a mentoring guy and he moves on and the new coach is a churn and burn guy
It is what it is.
tpm, I get what you are saying. I am not trying to call you out or any others if you are feeling that way.
I do understand the letter and the spirit (reality of) what is going on out there.
My point is that many families do not even know of hsbbweb and great words of wisdom that come from it.
I just feel that coaches can be more enlightening with families upfront on their policies and not lead them down the perfect path.
This has been a good thread.
I do understand the letter and the spirit (reality of) what is going on out there.
My point is that many families do not even know of hsbbweb and great words of wisdom that come from it.
I just feel that coaches can be more enlightening with families upfront on their policies and not lead them down the perfect path.
This has been a good thread.
quote:Originally posted by sandlot dad:
tpm, I get what you are saying. I am not trying to call you out or any others if you are feeling that way.
I do understand the letter and the spirit (reality of) what is going on out there.
My point is that many families do not even know of hsbbweb and great words of wisdom that come from it.
I just feel that coaches can be more enlightening with families upfront on their policies and not lead them down the perfect path.
This has been a good thread.
No problem sandlot Dad, I just think if you were better prepared you would not feel as you do.
Most of the coaches that my son dealt with were up front and honest, explaining what he had to do each year to have his scholarship renewed, there were no guarantees. I guess we knew ahead of time that scholarships could be withdrawn at any time for a variety of reasons. I think that when players and parents understand, the journey becomes a bit easier. My son was told (the program he ended up at) that they saw him as a weekend starter, but due to players not getting drafted, the difficulty of adjustment, etc, he wasn't one until his junior year. He had no issue with that at all, and neither did we. Even after he earned that role, he lost if for one weekend, a tough lesson and realization that someone is right behind you every step of the way waiting to take your spot, and in some cases your scholarship too.