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Another thread got me to thinking about how strikeouts by batters are viewed in my opinion differently than when I was playing youth ball in the 1960's. Now you have major leaguers commonly fanning 150, 160, 180 and now even breaking the 200 barrier. In baseball history major leaguers led the league in the 20's, 30's and even 40's with often far less than 100K's Even up to my time in the 60's it was often taught that K's were a "worse kind of out" and we all choked up to avoid them especially with two strikes.
I'm especially interested in how some of our posters such as TRit, Perfect Game and others who have been around baseball for a long time view this and if in their opinion the way we look at batter K's has changed over the last 30 years or so.
I feel this trend to just not worry about strikeouts started in the late 1960's when Reggie J ackson, Bobby Bonds and Frank Howard became the first guys who were stars who K'd over 150 times yet were still successful pwer hitters. Before that the guys who got past 150 were not great stars. Anyone else's thoughts?
Lastly, Perfect Game or TRit , how does this effect the way you look at young hitters now or scout young guys. Do we just accept many strikeouts in most power hitters and has your perception of this changed over the years?
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I still remember back in those days myself or one of the other guys would ground back weakly back to the mound and someone would always say "Well at least you didn't strike out!" I think we would have been better off in a lot of situations not to worry about it and just go up there swinging from the end of the bat and use all three swings to drive the ball.
Baseball over the past couple decades has become much more of a power game. Power hitters and power pitchers. The result of that is more Home Runs and more Strike Outs. In regard to scouting, you have to consider what the pitching is like. Strike outs against poor pitching is not a good sign. When the pitching is outstanding strike outs are going to happen.

The all time strike out leader is Reggie Jackson, he is in the hall of fame. His MLB career started in the 60s. Mickey Mantle was the Strike Out leader in his era. His career started in the early 50s, he is in the hall of fame. Mike Schmidt, he is in the hall of fame. Harmon Killebrew is in the hall of fame and right behind Mantle in Strike Outs he also started in the 50s. So did Willie Mays who is in the top 50 all time in strike outs. Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron are in the top 100 all time.

Anyways, I think it is a sign of the times. For the most part pitchers that have a lot of strike outs are power pitchers. Hitters who have a lot of strike outs are power hitters. Be it good or bad, the game has been more of a power game than it was years ago. Maybe that will change again.

Partial list of players among the all time top 100 leaders in strikeouts who are in, or probably will, or should be in the hall of fame. Please disregard steroids for this discussion.

Reggie Jackson
Jim Thome
Sammy Sosa
Willie Stargell
Mike Schmidt
Tony Perez
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffey
Craig Biggio
Manny Ramirez
Alex Rodriguez
Lou Brock
Mickey Mantle
Harmon Killebrew
Ricky Henderson
Mark McGwire
Willie McCovey
Frank Robinson
Willie Mays
Eddie Murray
Eddie Mathews
Derek Jeter
Jim Rice
Carl Yastrzemski
Carlton Fisk
Hank Aaron
Ivan Rodriguez
Robin Yount
Rafael Palmeiro
Ron Santo (Put him in already)
Babe Ruth
Jimmy Foxx

All the above and many other great players are among the top 100 all time in striking out. Of course, they were also very high in production during their career.

A few notable Hall of Famers not among the top 100 include… Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio and Stan Musial. The fewest strikeouts in a career (not sure how many games to register)… Joe Sewell and Lloyd Waner.

On another note... I very much believe in hitters having a two strike approach and most great hitters do. It doesn't mean they won't strike out if the pitcher throws a great pitch.

Remember back when Ruth played he would hit more HRs than most all the teams in the league combined. If there's no power, there better not be a lot of strike outs.
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Thanks for your replies. I just think that there is much more of an atitude where the batters themselves don't really let multiple strikeouts bther them and this isn,t necessarily a bad thing.There are some hitters who take this attitude a little too far and don't even attempt situational hitting or shorten up when runners are on and maybe a base hit would win the game.

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