Do we make a big stink about this or not?

First thing---the coaches will raise the question about your son finishing first and running a slower time than the two behind him

Leave it go at that---sometimes it best to let it be and have things be taken care of naturally

If your son is runnning 6.3 to 6.5 60 yard dashes - noone will need a stopwatch to know.

LOL

Also remember - it is baseball - not a track meet.

Good luck!

Well we all know its not a track meet,..( thats why we did just what TRHIT said to do,..we just let it go and let things happen naturally )but,...if the times arent that important than why do they run a 60? Wouldnt faster be naturally better? I know in the past my son's speed has been a definate plus and has worked to his and his teams advantage ( he loooves to steal those bases!). ( as a matter of fact its helped him with his varsity football, sophomore basketball,..and yes,..he holds a few cross country records too )

We were just trying to see if it was an eliminating factor or not in the baseball showcase world. I guess "its in the game" seems to feel that it isnt,..have I understood you/him correctly?...

Waiting in the wings for more opinions,....and thank youuu for you input!

May I ask where he has run these 6.3 or 6.5 60's and who times him and how was he timed

Yeah, sounds like the story's full of holes to me. If your son actually runs a 6.3, he floats. People notice and he will burn everyone he runs against ewith the exception of Ichiro and Carl Crawford! Perfect Game times players with a lazer when they run the 60. I'm sure thats the most accurate way. How was your son timed, a quick thumb on the old analog stop watch? (Joking)

Shortstopmom,

I have not been to nearly as many showcases as TRhit or itsinthegame, but from looking at showcase results it seems like 6.3 or 6.5 in the 60 would make that player one of the fastest runners at even a very good event, while 7.3 would make that player - ummm, a pitcher. (That's supposed to be a joke, my son is a pitcher - 7.3 isn't a bad time for a young player.)

Also, if the player who finished 5 yards behind ran a 6.8, it seems like your son may have been in that 6.5 range.

So-o-o-o-o, I agree with all of the above:

If your son runs 6.3 to 6.5 at more than one event, his speed WILL be noticed.

But, I personally do not see any harm in following up with someone regarding his recorded stat for this showcase. I wouldn't recommend "making a big stink" about it, of course. But as long as you are pleasant about it, what would be the harm of e-mailing or calling, explaining what you described above to us, and asking the showcase contact / stat person / etc. if they can find out if any correction or adjustment was made? I know that we "moms" are not supposed to meddle, and I definitely agree with that. But human error does happen.

If I were you, I would rather have 1 or 2 people on a HS baseball forum think that I had "poked my nose in" when I nicely and calmly asked if a correction has been made, than to have hundreds or thousands of baseball contacts see incorrect results for my son, when they were posted or sent to colleges. If inquiring nicely about it doesn't get results, OR if you find out that 7.3 MAY have been accurate (for example, if the boy behind your son exaggerated what was told to him), then you probably need to let it drop, and make sure your son gets to several more timed events so that you can get a some confirmation of what his usual time is for the 60.

Good luck!

Julie

Simple fact

a runner who does 7.3 cannot finish first while the runner who runs a 6.8 comes in second

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Simple fact

a runner who does 7.3 cannot finish first while the runner who runs a 6.8 comes in second

Maybe they gave him a head start?

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Ok experts,..here's the newbies question. Come on ol' timers,..fill this newbie in. You are the masters of the diamond and we look forward to hearing from you guys!

limom, is that you????

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Originally posted by TRhit:
May I ask where he has run these 6.3 or 6.5 60's

All sorts of wisecrack answers I was going to come up with here....decided to hold my tongue.

Most 60 times are taken on first movement. So it could be possible that the "winner" of the race moved first and the "loser" had a slow jump causing the times to be inverted. If your son runs a 6.3 hand held thats about a 6.1 on a laser. The fastest PG time ever recorded was 6.19. If your son's really that fast he should be running track.

Okie dokie people,...please allow me to get back to my point,..the kid runs pretty decent,...his time ( which is obviously causing alot of unexpected speculation about ) is NOT what my question is about.
My question is: How much weight is carried on the 60 yard dash time with the scouts,..can it be an eliminating factor? AND if there is a mistake on the timing,...should we ask for a re-time?
Thanks for taking your time out to consider our question!

ssmom or whomever you are

Here are the facts you give


Runner A who finishes first in the dash is supposedly timed at 7.3

Runner B finishes second but you are told he ran a 6.8

You may be in Kansas little lady but that does not wash where I live and I am sure if you check you will find that runner A ran the 7.3 and Runner B is spreading stories about his time

Also where were the 6.3 and 6.5 dashes run and who and how were they timed and how come no 6.4 dashes?

Tom---

Methinks this isn't Kansas anymore, Toto!!

Sounds to me like the timmers mixed up the runners. (Too late now, but could have asked to run again). I would say this. Time in the 6.5 range will get noticed.

Hey TRHit,...I appreciated your first post and I do appreciate you taking your time to answer my post.
But,..I'm not a "little lady",..that part wasnt appreciated.


Got the answers I was looking for. Next time we will ask what the timer to clarify what he means when he says " we'll fix it", if the problem should happen again.

hey shortstopmom

You have not answered my questions regarding the 6.3/6.5 times

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Originally posted by PAmom:
Tom---

Methinks this isn't Kansas anymore, Toto!!

No way would a cross country runner be able to run a 6.3 0r 6.5! The cross country runner is mainly slow twitch muscle fiber while the person running a 6.3 is mainly fast twitch muscle fiber. This story is exactly that, a story!

Why question what this lady says her son runs? Why all the haters?

Jeeesh.

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You have not answered my questions regarding the 6.3/6.5 times

I think those times came from the lil' shortstop's imagination.

Gotta agree with KellerDad.

Whether the times are embellished or not is totally irrelevant. She asked a question. Why not just answer to the best of your ability?

When I was a "newbie" I asked a question about filling out a questionnaire from a MLB team when my son was a jr in HS. I apparently came off as bragging because a poster (who I’m sure is no longer here) immediately posted that it didn’t mean squat and he had already filled out dozen’s, my son must not be very good, etc… Fortunately a few posters (chief cook and bottle washer , among others) came to my rescue, answered the question and made me feel at ease. I’ll never forget them for that.

I realize this is cyberspace and people can make things up (or not) and no one would be the wiser, but does everything have to be verified to be believed? There are many things I question, but if it’s minutia I keep it to myself.

Okay, off my soapbox now.

Have a nice day.

Frank/Keller Dad

Read the post again closely--- is it not a bit weird ?--the times etc--the fact there is no response to where the 6.3/6.5 times where done and how they were done ?

Think about it!!!!-- too many trolls on the loose

TR,

Who cares how they came up with the 6.3/6.5 times! Maybe they were done in their back yard or diving off a cliff! Maybe she's embellishing a little (who doesn't when talking about their kids). If she would have left that part out of her post would her question get answered? I personally know a couple of kids who were 6.4/6.5 so her son doing it is believable to me.

Maybe it's because I'm not on "troll" patrol.

Even if she is a troll, the question is valid.

All I can say is thanks to Bob (and others) who actually tried to help me I didn't leave the HSBBW and actually learned quite a bit. You even helped me by phone when I inquired about Dartmouth and the east coast which I'm grateful for.

I just don't see where people have to be called to the carpet over the small stuff that in the end doesn't even matter.

I'm with Frank, the 6.3/6.5 doesn't have any bearing on the question.

Maybe I'm a little touchy because a bunch of people jumped on me this week not believing my son ran a 6.64 at Stanford.

Frank

There are too many trolls on here now

If she can't answere my question as to the hows and whys, why should I make effort to assist her-- As you know I am more than willing to try and assist anyone as long as they are up front with me-- if they want to play games that is their perogative and I will go my way--her/his entire post reeks of embellishment---and dreams

there are too many serious p[eople looking for assistance to spend too much time on this especially since I still don't have an answer that is pertinent to the discussion

can we say limom is back?

TRhit,
This will be my final post to you on this or ANY future forum. I have thanked you for your time,..but I will not thank you for calling me "little lady", weird, or a troll or for throwing accusations at us, ESPECIALLY when you obviously didnt even understand my question,..which for the final time,..was about the "process",..not the stats. I am an admitted "newbie",..and you are an admitted HSBBW "Old Timer",...you should know better. Please dont waste anymore of your time "attacking " me,..and drawing others in to follow you at it. I have learned a HUUUGE lesson about how I ask a question on this website,..and stats will no longer be mentioned, I PROMISE. I will say it a hundred times,..I HAVE LEARNED. I was nieve, yes,..but deserving of your mean attack,...that I doubt. Pleeease dont waste anymore time trying to help me,...cause at this point plenty of people have answered my true question,..about the process,..and they have been kind and informative. To those I thank youuuu.
To you,..I say farewell and thanks anyways.
No more ugliness,...lets get back to what counts,....baseball babah!

Not being mean at all

Just asking for an answer to my question


Sorry if your feelings are hurt

SS MOM, typical response from TR HIT. who are you and where are you and who did it. Which have nothing to do with the timing of the 60 yard dash.

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Perfect Game times players with a lazer when they run the 60. I'm sure thats the most accurate way.

Actually PG's lazer timer isn't very worthy unless your a 6.5 runner. They use a stop watch to do the 60 dash and don;t rely on the lazer timer.

Now, the 60 dash time in a SHOWCASE will not illiminate you. Since you are paying to be there. BUT in a tryout camp it may. The 1st thing a scout does is time everyone in the 60 dash. Its just a measuring stick to see who can run fast and who has some physical strength over a longer stretch. AND quiet frankly its the way its been done since tryout camps started many many years ago. The next thing is to see who has arm strength. If you don't run well and you don't throw well. Then there is a chance you get illiminated and not chosen for the scrimmage at the end of the tryout.

The 60 dash time doesn't have much weight when it comes to scouting unless your an 80 runner on an 80 scale. Then it will, but only some. You still have to be able to handle a bat and project to have big league numbers at the position you play.

lets do a grading of a player for example.

run tool 80
hit tool 40
defense tool 50
power tool 40
arm tool 40

now remember that 50 is MAJOR LEAGUE AVG. so 40 would be below avg. for a major league player.

now add the gardes and divide by 5

He would be a 50 which is an avg MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYER.

BUT his hit and power tools are below avg. So what happens in scouting is this. They ADJUST the tools grade.

So now it looks like this

run tool 00
hit tool 40
defense tool 50
power tool 40
arm tool 40

now divide by 4 and he is a 42 which is a below avg MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYER and more of an organizational minor league player. Scouts and organizations don't allow the run tool to be the best tool UNLESS their is another tool that is plus as well, mainly the hit tool!

Hope that helps you.

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Why not just answer to the best of your ability?

Because they have no ability or experience to answer it. Thats why Frank F. Glad you asked.

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If she would have left that part out of her post would her question get answered? I

NOPE, they have no idea how to answer it! The TROLL and the guy killing this website is TR HIT. ANd he charges parents for a recruiting service. Whew !

Vance

Wrong again

We are not a recruiting service---you make me laugh with your lack of awareness and knowledge as to what we do--

Secondly I grew up in business world where we dealt with people who we "knew" and "knew of"--there was substance involved. Not cyberspace personalities who are masked in anonominity.

If you too the time to look you would have also seen that in my initial post you will see I answered the question "Do we make a big stink about this"-- you and all the others can go back and re-read

I then proceeded to ask the questions---Vance you are getting so blinded by your need to "bring me down" you are reading what you want to in every post---


Keller dad--- Not "haters" just want to knwo the true facts-- think about it---look at the numbers given--it cannot happen--you cannot run a 7.3, win the dash and then say the second guy ran a 6.8--you tell me how that happens

IF HE RAN 6.3 YOU SHOULDNT WORRY ABOUT THAT TIME THE SCOUTS WILL NOTICE.EACH RUNNER IS CLOCKED AT THE FIRST MOVEMENT YOUR SON LEFT A SECOND OR SO BEFORE THE OTHER RUNNERS AND RAN SLOWER TIME THE OTHER RUNNERS LEFT LATER BUT RAN FASTER ALL IT AMOUNTS TO IS YOUR SON HAD A HEAD STARTAND EACH ONE WAS CLOCKED SEPERATELY.IN ALL HONESTY YOUR SON NEVER BROKE7.0 NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BELIEVE HE DID

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the coaches will raise the question about your son finishing first and running a slower time than the two behind him

Leave it go at that---sometimes it best to let it be and have things be taken care of naturally

TRhit

TR HIT, this is your original post to SS MOMS question. THIS IS AN ANSWER. OH PLEASE!!!

Since you grew up in the business world. Stick to that. Leave the baseball advice to someone else.

vance

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nah--not worth the effort

Who let the dogs out!!!!

TR HIT, your effort would be better served doing what you know. Which isn't baseball. Why not spend your time and study the swing. Buy RVP.com and see if you can learn something!

vance

You selling something--you keep dropping names of websites thats elel products

Again I say to you--don't go where you don't know what is there=

I have some of the best hitting guys around me so why do I need what you "sell"

Not to get into a continuing pissing contest with a "fool on the hill" let me close it out by telling you that I might know more about the game that you will ever know--dont ever , ever try to tell anyone what they know or dont know if you dont know them

What other videos do you "shill"?

TR HIT, what ALL your post indicate is that you have no idea how an elite swing works. Thats a fact TR HIT! I'm not peddling anything. What I can do is show people what really is an elite swing and how to get there and it doesn't cost a dime to learn it if you'll research it.

VANCE

I didnt talk about swings much less an "elite" swing-- I asked why you keep popping up website links every now and then

By the way what is an "elite" swing?--is that now the buzz term coined by you?

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
My son beat them all with the closest boy being about 5 yards behind. My son was told he clocked in at 7.3. ( hhhmmm,..very odd and unual,..but we shrugged and took it. ) The boy behind him was told he was clocked in at 6.8. Ok,...so there's the problem,..obviously a mistake was made somewhere.

TR, didn't you read the original post? Please note the following phrase "...obviously a mistake was made somewhere..."

Man I've got to hand it to you, when you get off the trail chasing a rabbit you just don't give up.

As the lady said, A MISTAKE WAS MADE.

Her son obviously ran better than a 6.8, since the kid who finished behind him ran a 6.8.

The lady is probably concerned about whether the mistake was actually corrected. And that is a valid concern.

And she is concerned about the effect it may have on her son's evaluation. And that is a valid concern.

KD - what IS IT with all these folks who think no kid can put in a sub-7.0 time? I have seen your son run with my own eyes. I saw how he smoked the entire field at that Mustangs tryout a year ago. I have no doubt that he ran a 6.64.

Geezzzzz...

SSMom, please hang around. There may be a person or two to ignore. But there are some truly great folks and a wealth of information on this board.

Addendum:
Yes, a super speed kid will be noticed. But if the wrong number is written down for posterity, will folks still accurately remember at a later time exactly who did what?