Double Standard

Such a narrow view of the situation causes such radical thinking. Given even recent historical perspective, Ozzie & KW have achieved, whilst the Cubs have not. To lump them all together is to ignore the track record.

A year ago, I though Konerko was washed up and ready to ride him out of town. I'm glad to be wrong and glad the KW and Ozzie can see what I can't. I don't think the same is true on the north side. While the Sox continue to pick up productive and contributory players, the Cubs pick up unproductive and subtractive players.

Hendry stinks to high heaven. Lou's hands are tied until JH is gone. Milton can't handle anything about playing in a big market. Soriano can't get it done. Ramirez is hurt a lot and is not a factor. The cajuns and Soto are back to normal. Z is a nutcase. Marmol is a project, kinda the pitching version of Soriano. Gregg stinks. All this when there are only 2 outstanding NL teams and a plethora of terrible ones.

Kenny Williams is as good as it gets. Ozzie is a World Series manager like Lou but has a good relationship with his GM. Konerko is fading. Pierzynski is a very special player. Getz and Beckham seem to be the future. Ramirez has regressed but his upside is unlimited. Quentin is all around better than most MLB outfielders albeit with an injury bugaboo. Dye is hot and cold but solid overall. Rios is another unlimited upside guy. Danks and Floyd will be around a long time. Jenks is steady. Linebrink has really hurt and helped this team...kinda like Konerko.

But the most important difference and good reason for a double standard is the AL.

Only 3 or 4 bad teams in the league. 8 or 10 contenders. This alone makes it a completely different situation and much more difficult for the Sox. Imo, the cubs would be 10+ under .500 in the AL and the Sox would be 15+ over in the NL.

I guess your dirty sox don't stink either? The Cubs have made a few moves that killed them.

The sox are depending on a lot of guys who don't have a track record and a few that are over the hill. Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Ramirez, Getz are all guys who haven't proven a thing yet. And what about having a AA player in CF for most of the year? One year from Quentin (career average .250) proved nothing. Thornton is the only bullpen guy who is dependable. No doubt Beckham is good, how good no one knows. Got lucky with Pods so far but that is not the answer.

Kenny just didn't do what he needed to do for the sox to get better. The overpaid Rios and very expensive Peavy aquisistions may well set the sox back 2-4 years after this thing blows up. How many positions does anyone see as being set with that team?

Dye (a favorite of mine) and Konerko (never really a special player) and Thome are pretty much done. Look for 2-4 years before either of these teams come around.

I'm not quite sure why every thinks KW is so great. He won a WS so everyone things he's the greatest thing since chocolate milk. What is happening this year? What is the payroll & what is their record? Maybe I am missing something but they don't look much like contenders to me.

Maybe I am just mad because I had to pay $23 for parking!

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$23..ouch!

Take a few swigs of this nc...




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Originally posted by FastballDad:
Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Ramirez, Getz are all guys who haven't proven a thing yet.

I guess we have different criteria by which to judge, "nothing". But I'll defer to you in that arena, since as a Cubs fan, you may be overqualified as an expert, in nothing.

The phrase, "knee jerk reflex", jumps to mind with your reflecting on the Sox.

CPLZ, no need to get personal. Does being a WS fan give you some right to pass judgement on another's baseball acumen?

I'll say that there are few members of this site who know more about the game than FBD, yourself included.

Rosy,
Since I was directly responding to a quote made by a person, it would have to be personal.

Why do you think it out of bounds to comment on a persons statement or basis for that statement? Being smart does equate to being right. George W. Bush is smart, Dick Cheney is smart...etc.

I believe the comparison between the Cubs continual lack of success and underachieving to the Sox who have ridden more of a roller coaster and actually over achieved in a number of years, to be folly. It is to ignore the chemistry and makeup of both organizations and the basic tenets and philosophies that guide each.

FBD has chosen to take less than one season and extrapolate broad conclusions. It's a flawed model for measurement. He proposed it, I disagree with it, although it's personal, it's hardly disrespectful. And really, my last post was a bit of a good natured poke in the ribs, something I thought FBD might grin at and respond in kind...I have thick skin and healthy sense of humor...I can take it, and although I won't speak for anyone else, I wouldn't do it if I didn't think they could either.

No problem.

Ahhhhh

Nothing like the Sox vs Cubs to make things interesting here.

Who remembers Dave Nicholson?

What would we do if we didn't have this?

Thanks Rosy...you can speak for me just about any time. CPLZ....I was a bit taken back by your attitude but I thought about about it and realized your response was probably based upon the fact I have made a heck of a lot more sense than you have on this board over the years, especially since you have become our fearless leader. You know the expression: "Power corrupts." You kind of remind me of the uncle who for the most part is pretty cool, but he has this thing about being a Confederate Sympathizer in his background. You seem way too smart to be a sox fan.

So, in light of your obvious resentment I can understand where you are coming from. The idea that with THE SINGLE EXCEPTION of 2005 the sox have done any better than the Cubs over the years is just wrong. The results are actually very parallel. My point is simple and perhaps that is why you can't grasp it: the sox are every bit the underachievers the cubs are.....same city, same market, a money-making stadium provided by taxpayers, and last but not least led by a group that needs to be replaced. And CPLZ, as a Cub fan I am very much an expert on observing an underachieving team....which the sox clearly are.

Sorry I gotta go....my ribs are sore.

As an avid (and currently disgusted) Cubs fan, I have a dog in this fight, and I demand to be heard. I can't let CPLZ continue throwing untruths out there unchecked, just because he currently wears the crown. So, Chip, I demand that you retract a statement that you included in your last post, one so far from the truth that it defies all areas of logic. Whoever said George W Bush was smart?

The single exception of 2005 IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT! Once you win the title, then you haven't gone 101 years with out one. People just want to see their team win once in their lifetime. That is what the Boston fans wanted, and got twice. That is what the Sox fans wanted, and got. The Cubs......

Gotwood-

Yes, $23 for "White Sox Parking." $5.00 was "city tax." I just about broke my rims hitting all the potholes as I made my way to I-55.

When I was in Phoenix in June I paid $8 and was actually closer to the park. Not to mention, my rims were never in danger!

Parking will probably be higher next year, since they will need to pay for Peavy and Rios. Maybe our record will above .500 too.

Thanks for the chocolate milk!

To paraphrase Charlie Daniels...
Be proud to the rebel, because the south sides gonna do it again.

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Originally posted by nc42dad:
Maybe I am just mad because I had to pay $23 for parking!

Enjoy yourself while tail-gating for a couple hours.

"Way to smart to be a Sox fan"

"The single exception of 2005"

OK smarty pants....Look up the record of the city series...if you can find it...cub fans would be horrified to know that this Chicago Classic, played every year in the 20's and 30's was way bigger than the World Series to Chicagoans and is the REASON for our special rivalry as compared to NY and LA.

Add 1906 and 2005 to the fact that the White Sox owned the cubs in the City Series and any objective observer would agree that those 3 facts give the Sox a very decided edge.

Soxnole, maybe you are also too smart to be a sox fan...it's just that you let your emotions take charge on this issue.

If we are talking about 1906, why aren't we including 1907 1nd 1908? I know they beat the Cubs in '06 even though everyone knew the Cubs were the better team (why else do you make such a big deal of it?) So since 1907, they have both won 2...so what? In the city series that really does matter...yes the one that they now have....it is what.... a .500 proposition? As far as 2005 goes, yes even a blind dog finds a bone now and then, and that's all it was. There was no great design behind it, it was just good fortune, kharma, whatever you want to believe.

It seems that in the court of public opinion, one team does have a decided edge. After all, why do the Cubs, with their inferior park, etc., etc. etc. continue to outdraw those fabulous sox? Seems like more Chicagoans give The Cubs the edge.

Like I said, we don't have a very good history on either side of town and that history is haunting us all this season.

It's kind of like arguing over who has the better Yugo.

Let's just flat out admit it, trying to put a positive spin on either the Sox or the Cubs this year is kind of like trying to polish a turd!!

turd polishing
The act of trying to make something hopelessly weak and unattractive appear strong and appealing. An impossible process that usually results in a larger, uglier turd

very well put

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Originally posted by FastballDad:
The idea that with THE SINGLE EXCEPTION of 2005 ...

So, besides that single exception Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

huh? yes the single, not-by-design, stars falling into alignment, lucky year of 2005. 0 for 100 is really bad and so is 1 for 100.....thats the point.

I've got to say as a big fan of Lincoln, there is a world of difference between a frivilous argument over the Cubs/sox and the killing of maybe our greatest leader.

I've got a feeling you may just fly those stars and bars over there in LZ.

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Originally posted by FastballDad:
huh? yes the single, not-by-design, stars falling into alignment, lucky year of 2005.

Yes, I believe that trumps the single, not by design, stars never falling into alignment, unlucky century plus of the Cubs.

So, by your analytical model, the BoSox are another failed franchise since their history only has 2 championships in the same timeframe. How far back do we go to answer the simple question, have you won it all in modern history?

Your argument sounds like a policy statement from an office that has a hammer and sickle flag flying over it.

you are right. the sox are a the model franchise for all to follow.

Hammer and sickle? Nope, I am pointing out they both stink. Your calling the sox a success is more like the kremlin patting itself on the back for its' own economic prowess.

You are a funny guy. Anyway enough with this nonsense.... change is in the wind, and it's time to move on.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

Crown me.

In the land of the cub fan any "W" will do.

They are just so hard to find unless their playing Pittsburgh or Washington...OOPS..make that Pittsburgh.

or the sox

That FB, is Historic Heresy!

LOL I'm so disgusted with The Cubs, I'm not inclined to disagree.

Let's just hope the new owners have the sense to get rid of Hendry and the guts to eat some salary, either let them sit or release them.

FBD, you're conundrum is very much like the markets. When the last long throws up his hands and pleads "just get me out, I can't stand it any longer", you can bet that you've reached a bottom.

Traders would be getting long the Cubbies right now!

Rosy, you are probably right. Only thing is I'm not sure this rocket is gonna launch real soon, so I still have time to buy.


I'm wondering if I might come over with my laptop and look over your shoulder while you trade.....with your wisdom, I'm sure to make a ton.

Hope things are good for You and Jordan.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FastballDad:
Rosy, you are probably right. Only thing is I'm not sure this rocket is gonna launch real soon, so I still have time to buy.

You're 100% on the money. While I'd love to see a quick bounce to the upside, our team could just languish for a while.

Soxnole, you must be loving this.

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rosy.....

Let me just say that "I do not feel your pain"!!!!

heh heh heh!

How could you? You've got enough to deal with that band of raggamuffins on the Southside!

Don't know if this trivia should be here, but didn't want to open a new thread.

Subject: MLB attendance in 2009. Cubs rank 6th in home attendance playing to a MLB second place with 97.2% of capacity and 39,983. Only the Phillies, playing this year in front of a dizzy 102.0% of capacity draw more!Remarkable. On the road, Cubs playing in front of an MLB best of 79.1% of capacity. Put it all together and the 2009 Cubs play in front of an MLB best of 87.8% of capacity. Cubs are followed by Boston and NY Yanks.

Mr.Ricketts, you've got a real prize in your pocket. Use it wisely.

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Hmmm?

What is inside?

I know! I know!

An outfielder who can count to three!

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Once again,the flubs are hot...........when it DOESN"T count!

My big issue with both teams (and I am a Sox fan) is the lack of hustle at times. The Cubs lead the majors in standing and admiring balls that come up short and hit the wall , many times being held to a single. I hate that primodonna attitude. And that goes on the manager and management. I was at a Sox game where with 2 outs in the 9th Alexi Ramirez hits a routine fly ball to left which the guy drops and he's standing on first base. At least Ozzie pulled his rear end out of the game immediately. And people wonder why Pierzinski got in Ramirez's face in the dugout. He's a 2nd year player and already pulling that ****. Honestly guys, I'd much rather watch college and minor league baseball then sell my soul to watch guys collect a paycheck. I apologize for the negativity.

GBS25 - Agree with you 100%. I noticed something like that with Ramirez when we went to a game in July.

ItsRosy - Those are very interesting numbers. My question is really very simple though, why does a franchise with such a long losing track record draw people like they do? It's kind of amazing when you think about it. Do the Red Sox have similar numbers?

Thanks

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No apology required GBS25. I like Alexei and had not heard that he had done that. I hope AJ's and Ozzie's sentiments got through to him.

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Have seen the same thing out of Alexi, not running things out, late to the bag on steal and fees and I think in the Red Sox seies stood at the plate on a dropped third with the tieing run coming in from 3b, he did make it to first but the effort was not what you would teach. Don't really understand it.

NC42, yes, the Red Sox do have similar numbers as the Cubs, as do the Dodgers and Yankees. For example, the Red Sox avg home attendance is 37,890, but because of the size of their park they're still playing to an overflow crowd of 101.5% nightly! On the road they're playing in front of 73.4% with an average of 86.2& of capacity, compared with the Cubs 87.8% of capacity, currently tops in the majors.

As to why, it would depend upon whom you ask. As has been reported here a zillion times,the home attendance is inflated because of tourists wanting to see a game at Wrigley. But,even if that were the case, how do you explain their huge attraction on the road? Every team has transplants around the country, but Cub fans seem to be particularly loyal and really come out wherever the Cubs are playing.

As I said, Mr.Ricketts knew exactly what he was getting for his millions. Now, he has to find a way to let this francise continue to grow. His options are limited, IMO.

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May I suggest...



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The theory I have always heard about the Cubs is that WGN was the first "Superstation" being telecast nation wide. More people had a chance to see them play than any other team. Plus, all the day games with no other teams as competition made them popular to watch.

The older Wirtz never understood that putting yhour product on TV helps, not hurts attendance.

I agree that being on TV forever has helped the Cubs. When I was in College, we would watch either Cubs or Braves games during the day and I am still a fan of both. However, the Braves can't even fill their own stadium during a playoff game.

Why does that happen?

All day games, TV and Ladies Day made the Cubs the darlings for women of past generations.

Donughnutman, maybe it's because the Braves are a transplanted francise. First the Boston Braves, then Milwaukee and now Atlanta. The Cubs have been in Chicago forever and over the years (centuries) have had the opportunity to capture many more potential fans. JMO

Itsrosy- Thanks for the numbers. You sound like a marketing "guy."

I know from having lived many years in AZ, there are TONS of Chicago transplants there. Try and get spring training tickets to a Cub's game - very tough. It will always amaze me though, how a team with such a losing history can generate that big a fan base. Maybe it isn't all about winning!

NC, no marketing guy here. Just came across this while surfing. In the case of the Cubs, and maybe only a few other franchises in all sports you're right, it isn't always about winning.

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It isn't always about winning rosy?



If not winning, what on earth could it be about?







A cool $6.75 each!




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"Turd" talk should be limited to the NL....which is in danger of being renamed AAAA!

Nice article in SI 2 weeks ago documenting this HUGE disparity.

I can't remember who won the World Series last year. Please help me recall.

It was The AAAA Team, The Phillies. This in spite of the fact they play in a league that still plays baseball instead of the perverted AL Game.

And that is the reason for any disparity.

FBD, let's not pile on the AL version of the game. Look, this year it's given us the AL central division. Hasn't it been fun to watch that bunch of misfits?

You are right again Rosy. While my wife scolds me for watching The Three Stooges, I can watch the sox as much as I want... and I get all the same laughs as watching The Stooges and my wife leaves me alone!

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Man, I could have watched that episode and my wife wouldn't said a word if they were only wearing sox unis.

Got Trophy?

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"No."

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WHAAAAAAAAAA!

cubby bravado is Stooge like humor!

4 outta 6 guys.......... and a lopsided AL record in EVERYTHING THAT IS INTER-LEAGUE FOR 20+ years.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

The SOX will rise again in 2010 and the cubby's will still have Hendry.

Now THAT is funny.

Don't know about your opinion on the sox, but the cubs have been tragically funny.

quote:

Originally posted by CPLZ:

Got Trophy?

Nope, but I did hear something that I didn't know: From now on, the sox won't be on WGN, Comcast or any other local station. They will shown exclusively on THE HISTORY CHANNEL.

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Even though I'm a Sox fan that is a good one FBD!



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Can anyone even envision Yankee fans, or any fans continuing to gloat about a Championship gained years earlier? In NY, if the Yanks don't win, their fans could care less about the Mets.CPLZ, just how many years can you use that photo as a ruse to hide your team's current ineptness?

FBD, The History Channel,now that's funny!

Ineptness, very well put Rosy.

I guess if the sox fans keep on blathering on about how bad The Cubs are, they might forget about how rotten things have gotten on the south side. Like their dirty sox don't stink.

Woody, the only thing I don't get about you is that you don't seem to be nearly negative or mean-spirited enough to be a sox fan. And you do have a great sense of humor...it just doesn't add up.

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It might have something to do with my choice of wardrobe...



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Call the WS history. I lived through a World Series win with my favorite team. Cubs fans haven't. When Boston won, they talked about all the people that just wanted to see the Red Sox win once before they died.

My Step Father was a big Cubs fan. He passed away in 2001. He was 80. He never saw the Cubs win a WS. I would ask what it was like to never see your team in the Series. He would talk about listening to the Cubs in the Series in 1945 on a ship bound for Japan.

White Sox fans have seen it and lived it. 11-1. It is the whole ball of wax. If the Cubs had done it ONCE, they wouldn't be the professional franchise with the longest time without a championship in history.

2005 was all I need to say I have seen my team in a Series AND win it. Unless you are at least 66 you weren't even alive while the Cubs were in a Series let alone remember it. I lived it. If the Cubs ever win you will get the thrill. If not, it is just a dream.

Picture of Cub Nation spreading the good news last time they won a World Series.

Hey guys, where's your sense of humor?

When your team comes in 5th in a 5 horse race it's hard to keep that sense of humor. One great city and you can rank it's sports teams as follows:
1. Da Bears
2. The Cubs
3. The Bulls
3A The Blackhawks
5. The ws

Own it! This version of your team quit on it's manager and themselves right after the all-star game. You should be angry and embarrassed. But have no fear, ego driven KW will fix it all by next spring. BTW, love your bullpen.

My team has played in fits and starts. Right now, finishing the season playing hard and winning with some great pitching and timely hitting. Nice to see. See you in Mesa, 2010! Have a nice winter.

Corrections made. Thanks FBD.

Major League Baseball would sure be a lot more boring if it weren't for Chicago.

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That's right PG. Without Chicago every MLB city would become like this city in Oregon...




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rosy....

Since you can't gloat about YOUR team that quit 4 months ago (let alone a Championship) you choose to be me! GREAT!!! Mean spirited banter is NOT just a White Sox fan deal after all! Red Handed,(or worded) dude.

Now we all knew this to be true but you have finally joined the gang in admitting your deep seeded REAL feelings. It's about TIME!

Imagine if we were all headed to the "City Series" in a week or 2 and had a chance to continue the fun?

That would instantly make the world series 2nd fiddle and pack both the sewer and the cell.

Unfortunately, the morons that run MLB would never let it happen.

In my mind 2009 has nothin on 1935.

There is no doubt that a city series would mean a lot to the fans of Chicago. Unfortunately I don't know that the players and teams would be on board. These guys make enough money that they just want to go home if they aren't in the playoffs.

A World Series between the two would be one of the greatest spectacles in sports of all time. Just inmagine what it would be like....especially if we got to a game 7. What a dream.

Rosy is clearly one of the classiest guy on our forum and of course he is just throwing fuel on the fire.....too bad for us the season has been over for a few weeks.

Bruce, you forgot The Bulls, who rank #4. That puts the sox at #5.

Sorry Soxnole, but your annual premise is still incorrect. It's like this. When your team is stinking it up big time, you feel the need to rip on the Northsiders. It's like you feel better about your situation by piling on someone else's. I maintain that Cub fans are just as unhappy about their team, regardless of what happens on the Southside. Sorry, we just don't care. I was just pointing out the obvious, my friend.

If it makes you and your fellow ws fans forget about the current state of your team, by looking at pictures from the Championship year, or bashing the Cubs, so be it.

This is by far the most entertaining topic I have read on the HSBBW in years, it is hysterical how you guys go at each other. How come the Mets and Yankee fans don't go at it like that?

The Cardinal fans thank the Cub Nation, I didn't realize how much they hate the Cubs.

For us parents of those milb on winning teams, we don't always like it when the big guys win, it only gives less chances for the young guys to move up quicker.

Hoping that next year Cubs can make it a horse race, for the young players sake.

If there were such a series as you speak of, I would place my bets on the NL cubbies.

FWIW, my fav team, those scappy Marlins, gave us TWO championships. Too bad they don't have the fan base to support them like those midwest teams have.

I agree, go Marlins!

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Originally posted by itsrosy:
If it makes you and your fellow ws fans forget about the current state of your team, by looking at pictures from the Championship year, or bashing the Cubs, so be it.

Why would we look at pictures rosy when we can relive the moment gathered around the radio and listen to the rebroadcast?



"Uribe fields Palmeiro's low hop grounder on the run and fires over to Konerko for the last out... another dismal and disappointing game for Cub fans everywhere!"




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gotwood!!!!!!!!!

A very nice post in the clutch!


TPM....Most (98%) fans are unaware that our 2 teams played each other for more than 25 years in a "City Series" which, in Chicago, overshadowed the World Series!

Of course the Sox beat the day lights out of the cubs repeatedly until the cubs called it quits in 1942 after losing 8 City Series in a row!

Yeah, but that doesn't help the CWS now!

I am a firm beleiver in that whatever was, was.

TPM, Baseball is all about celebrating the past. See posts on the Hall of Fame. The steroid issue is as much about the integrity of the records (great feats of the PAST) as it is anything else. What good is a championship pennant if you can't run it up the flagpole? Why retire numbers of great players? We'll see how quick fans of other teams forget about the WS championship if htey were ever to get one.

TPM....

CWS???...........Whaddayasmokin?

In baseball, history is EVERYTHING and...as a Cardinal fan it should be paramount
in your mind since they are the # 2 team of all time.

Just like the cubs are 2nd best in Chicago, now and all-time.

Just like the NL is 2nd best now and all-time.

Why is it when the Cubs have a bad season, the fans desire improvement from either the players, manager, general manager, and/or the owner and when the Sox have a bad season their fans point fault at another team? I have decided that I am going to adopt this wierd philosophy. Whenever the Cubs underachieve, I am going to make fun of the Royals from now on.

Here, like most places revisionists seem to believe that if you say it often enough it becomes true.

I need to understand that the main ingredients to being a sox fan are 1. Worrying about The Cubs and 2. Clinging to history that includes a mediocre record at best (usually teams that celebrate a great history have a great history) 3. See #1 after thinking about #2.

Once I understand this, I'll have a much easier time understanding these dudes who otherwise seem to be good people.

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Originally posted by soxnole:
TPM....

CWS???...........Whaddayasmokin?

In baseball, history is EVERYTHING and...as a Cardinal fan it should be paramount
in your mind since they are the # 2 team of all time.

Just like the cubs are 2nd best in Chicago, now and all-time.

Just like the NL is 2nd best now and all-time.

CWS = Chigaco White Sox

I know I was kidding you, FWIW, I am a Card fan by relation, I am actually just learning about the Cardinal Nation, well you know, in case I have to go to STL someday. Pretty neat stuff on them, and I do love the color red!

But here is something interesting I learned, applies to the Card Nation, maybe as well as Cub and WSox nation.
The reason they have such a following is way before expansion they were the farthest western teams, making them the only teams.
Marlins have zip nation, but they are fun to watch.

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Clinging to history that includes a mediocre record at best.

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Originally posted by FastballDad:
I need to understand that the main ingredients to being a sox fan are ... Clinging to history that includes a mediocre record at best ...

If only Cubs fans had something to cling to...like the World Series trophy at US Comiscular.

If they work really, really hard though, maybe someday the Cubs can elevate themselves to mediocrity, in spite of the enormous climb from where they are.



Fairy tales are so much fun to tell...even if they'll never come true. But instead of this one ending like most fairy tales, where they, "live happily ever after", the Cubbies fairy tale always ends with the same, "wait 'till next year". Kinda like the sign in bars, "Free Beer Tomorrow".

Notice the whining from the north side...instead of relevant discussion.

We don't psychoanalyze your need for the "W", we just don't like your team.

It's not about you guy's!

It's about your bunch of losers in boystown.

And, for the record, here are a few facts that no matter how often you don't want to hear it, ARE TRUE!!!


World Series Head to Head
Sox 4 cubs 2

World Series Winners
Sox 3 cubs 2.

City Series
Sox 156 cubs 91

Cross Town Classic
Sox 17 cubs 13

Regular Season interleague
Sox 37 cubs 35

Anyway you slice it the SOUTH SIDE RULES and boystown drools.

It's about your team fellas, not about us.

As a Cub fan, I'm concerned about The Cards, Brewers, Mets, Dodgers, etc. etc. I'd think the sox fans would be more concerned about staying ahead of say, the Royals for instance.

It isn't Cub Fan that is concerned about the sox and their paltry few fans, it's the sox fan that can't let go of the cubs.

It is fitting that a sox fan would compare their team with the cubs, when you are trying to catch up that's what you do. Kinda like Chrysler comapring themselves to Mercedes. No, more like Yugo comparing themselves to Dodge.

Speaking for my generation, I started watching baseball in the late sixties. I came home from school and watched the Cubs in the afternoon. They had a likeable group of players that were on the team for a long time, prior to free agency. Every kid knew the Cubs batting order by heart in 1969. The White Sox were on UHF and not as often which did not come in real well on my dads black and white Zenith. So, when I was a kid, those Cubs got me interested in baseball. Now my kids are playing the game and I have followed the team ever since. There has never been any animosity towards the Sox. The Cubs just got my attention first and I have stayed loyal to them. It just seems that you are trying to create a war that really isn't there for many Cub fans.

Nobody on the Sox side is saying anything derogatory about the individual cub fan.

The team, ballpark and neighborhood are different stories.

Nor are we trying to psycoanalyze any cub fans.

Again, we are not concerned about why or how you became a cub fan.

Just annoyed at your consistent diatribe about what we should be interested in, concerned about or why we don't like the cubs...we just don't.

My digs are based in fact and there is no disputing that we are the better team historically.

Wrigley is considered a great tourist attraction and there are more cub fans than Sox fans (about 55% to 45%). These things don't matter to us.

In my experience, by percentage, there are an equal amount of cub or Sox haters. This is great, not bad! It allows Chicagoan's to have a unique personality and a higher interest in the sport year round.

There are absolute truth's as the Sox fans have repeatedly pointed out:

First, we beat the cubs everyway from sunday.

Second, We last won it all in 2005 and your team last won it all in 1908.

No matter the stiff upper lip or brazen banter, that, to me is the reason we mock your team while you seem to mock us.

But it's not about us.........It's about the team.

I mock both teams. That is pointed out as I started this thread.

But Soxnole, you gotta admit you don't talk about "boystown drooling" as a compliment to Cubs fans, so drop the point about not being concerned about the fans!

It is better with this banter, and for those of you who can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

It's all in fun!

BTW, I went to the cell block this year and there were actually a few attractive women there.

Whoever said that we want you to be interested or care about or even like the Cubs? I couldn't care less. We don't mock Sox fans. We are just perplexed as to why you are more concerned with our team than your team. As a matter of fact, if you did not bring it up, I would not even notice Sox fans. And finally, if you think that you have the better team throughout history, whatever. There are several teams that can get in line with you. I don't think that there is a Cub fan alive that is bragging about our "glory years". We are very aware of the flaws in our team. We do not need a Sox fan to point them out. It reminds of the neighbor that is quick to point out the shortcomings in your kid as if their kid did not have any.

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Originally posted by FastballDad:
BTW, I went to the cell block this year and there were actually a few attractive women there.

Oh...so you noticed those babes entering at Gate 4.



Hands off No.5...she's taken!




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Woody, I've met your wife and she's no con!