Can some explain this to me? If someone is a draft and follow are they still eligible to play at the college level? Thanks!
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Yes, a "draft and follow" is eligible to play at the college level. Usually the point is that the MLB team who has "drafted" the player will "follow" how they are doing at the college level of baseball.
The "DNF" only is applicable for kids who go to juco after being drafted. If you go to a 4 year institution, then the player is not eligible until after his junior year.(Except for some cases in which the player turns 21 by a certain date in relation to the draft) The "DNF" is only good for one year. In other words the pro team only has his rights until 2 weeks before the next draft.
Catchmom,
Some teams draft a player and if they elect to go to a 4 year college, the team may still follow their progress over the next 3 years.
There is a specific rule if a player is drafted and elects JUCO (Draft and Follow). The team has ownership of that player for a year.
You might be confused over the use of language in the two specific cases.
Some teams draft a player and if they elect to go to a 4 year college, the team may still follow their progress over the next 3 years.
There is a specific rule if a player is drafted and elects JUCO (Draft and Follow). The team has ownership of that player for a year.
You might be confused over the use of language in the two specific cases.
Tiger Paw there are times when you have no clue about what you are talking about!!!! Bighit did a fine job in explaining exactly how it works....
Once a player steps foot in a classroom of a 4 year institution, the pro club no longer owns his rights. A club may "follow" that player, but he doesn't hold his rights. If a player is a DNF at a juco then the club owns his rights for 1 year, until 2 weeks befrore the next draft, and other clubs may not approach that player.
The pro club may not make an offer to that player until his season with the juco is over. That includes playoffs as well.
The player can then choose to accept the offer from the new team (if one is given) or re-enter the draft if he A. doesn't like the offer or B. he doesn't like the team or C. feels that he can do better in the draft.
The pro club may not make an offer to that player until his season with the juco is over. That includes playoffs as well.
The player can then choose to accept the offer from the new team (if one is given) or re-enter the draft if he A. doesn't like the offer or B. he doesn't like the team or C. feels that he can do better in the draft.
Kudo's to Bighit for taking care of explaining this topic...
quote:
a MLB team isn't going to draft a player and call them up and say "well we would like for you to be a DNF",
You are correct.
They will do that in some situations if they know that the player already is going to a Juco! You are right about it being negotiated in most cases ahead of time.
Raiders
And they say I am brutally rough !!!!
Southpaw Mom keep posting !!!
And they say I am brutally rough !!!!
Southpaw Mom keep posting !!!
It does get a little technical, but once drafted the team must make a formal offer within a certain amount of time (not sure how long) or lose the rights to the player. The offer may be a cheeseburger and a bus ticket for the bonus, along with the basic rookie contract, with the unwritten understanding that they would prefer him to go to JUCO and follow for the year.
TR ...
You took the words out of my mouth, or should I say ... off my keyboard.
You took the words out of my mouth, or should I say ... off my keyboard.
Geez, raiders, what's your problem??? 
I have a problem with people talkling about a subject they know nothing about and if you are going to make a comment about it please let it not be "dribble babble" that some people try to use.. Bighit did a fine job explaining how a DNF works.. also pretty sure when a player is drafted the MLB team has 5/6 days to make its initial offer and also for a DNF once player has stepped foot in school nothing can be done until players season is officially over
Yes, BigHit did explain it well. But I don't see where Tiger Paw Mom said anything that indicates she knows "nothing about" the subject to warrant the tone of your post.
Raiders,
I NEVER said that Big's explanation was wrong, you read into it what you want to. I am sure he understood what I meant.
Go back and read again. I told Catchmom she may be confused. There are many teams that draft a player, the player elects a four year college but the team still follows their progress, thats all they do, follow their progress. Did I say anything about rights????? I think that you are the only one who didn't get the jist that she was confused. My feeling is at this point, if I said the grass was green, you would argue with me it is red.
Speaking of "dribble babble", I understand you are pretty good at that yourself.
I am going to quite before I get off the subject.
I NEVER said that Big's explanation was wrong, you read into it what you want to. I am sure he understood what I meant.
Go back and read again. I told Catchmom she may be confused. There are many teams that draft a player, the player elects a four year college but the team still follows their progress, thats all they do, follow their progress. Did I say anything about rights????? I think that you are the only one who didn't get the jist that she was confused. My feeling is at this point, if I said the grass was green, you would argue with me it is red.
Speaking of "dribble babble", I understand you are pretty good at that yourself.
I am going to quite before I get off the subject.
I'm with PAmom - Back off raiders. There is room on this site for all levels of expertise. I appreciate Big's explanation as well, but am always interested in SMom's perspective. Clearly there is more behind your venom than this thread exposes. Want to tell us about it?
hmmm?
by raiders
for the record - "Major league rules require clubs to tender contracts to their draft picks within 15 days after selecting them"
I just couldn't resist
by raiders
quote:
"I have a problem with people talkling about a subject they know nothing about - - - "dribble babble" - - - when a player is drafted the MLB team has 5/6 days to make its initial offer"
for the record - "Major league rules require clubs to tender contracts to their draft picks within 15 days after selecting them"
I just couldn't resist
You Bee> too funny ...
Way to go Raiders....you once again show your charming side in public.
If Big did such a GREAT job of explaining (sorry Bighit, this isn't a backhand at you) then why would he need to further explain not once, but twice? Because there was more that could be added to the subject maybe?
C'mon it's called a Message BOARD.......people post MESSAGES, did you even stop to think that maybe bighit and Tiger Paw Mom were posting at the SAME TIME? This can happen, or if someone is typing a long response, there may be several messages posted in the meantime.
Get it? Or is my Babble making you Dribble?
If Big did such a GREAT job of explaining (sorry Bighit, this isn't a backhand at you) then why would he need to further explain not once, but twice? Because there was more that could be added to the subject maybe?
C'mon it's called a Message BOARD.......people post MESSAGES, did you even stop to think that maybe bighit and Tiger Paw Mom were posting at the SAME TIME? This can happen, or if someone is typing a long response, there may be several messages posted in the meantime.
Get it? Or is my Babble making you Dribble?
Raiders........Newsflash
Not to be repetitive, I will just concur with what our fine Ladie's Websters(and TR!) have observed so far today......
TigerPawMom is a regular poster on a wide variety of subjects.....You, OTOH, seem to appear out of nowhere to give her a run for her money. She's got lots of it! Her son is going to Clemson!!
Is Raider a very bitter bitter man? There must be an interesting back story to cause such venom. Dribble babble what is that exactly? Feel free Raider to give the uninformed the glory of your knowledge
Bitter why be bitter... son is off playing rookie ball and living his dream!! have used this site to learn lots of useful information that was very helpful during negotiations but see no further need for it and will say so long... Bighit have your # and will keep in touch and "good luck" to little E.
Darn!! He's dribbling his babble right on out of here... 
quote:Now that's the spirit........use it and lose it.
have used this site to learn lots of useful information that was very helpful during negotiations but see no further need for it and will say so long... Bighit have your # and will keep in touch and "good luck" to little E.
The problem with your contribution they were so very negative, to bad during your time using the site the spirit of it didn't rub off, the reason you learned so much was because of the generosity of the other posters to share their experiences.
I have a strong feeling you won't be missed.
Raiders,
My brother has a great saying....after someone has consumed a terrific meal and they leave the hosts home shortly thereafter...he says "well they have chewed and screwed"........
My feeling is that you have garnered all the info you needed and are now guilty of spewing and screwing.....
BTW, to my fellow posters...we in Boston are really not this rude...IMHO
My brother has a great saying....after someone has consumed a terrific meal and they leave the hosts home shortly thereafter...he says "well they have chewed and screwed"........
My feeling is that you have garnered all the info you needed and are now guilty of spewing and screwing.....
BTW, to my fellow posters...we in Boston are really not this rude...IMHO
Maybe some of the newer posters, raiders3604, do not understand that we have members on here ranging from LL parents of pro players as well as parenst whose baseball lives have ended--
All have something to offer, be it more or less than another--I think some of the posters have certain fortes that can be drawn on--
I have also come to realize the interest and knowledge the mothers have regarding the game of baseball and their son(s)---
ONE LAST THING: most of the posters are willing to give of themselves and their experiences-- Raiders, in your saying "so long" you tell us that you have drawn on the knowledge here, used it to your benefit and now you have no further use for the site or its posters-- ADIOS AMIGO
All have something to offer, be it more or less than another--I think some of the posters have certain fortes that can be drawn on--
I have also come to realize the interest and knowledge the mothers have regarding the game of baseball and their son(s)---
ONE LAST THING: most of the posters are willing to give of themselves and their experiences-- Raiders, in your saying "so long" you tell us that you have drawn on the knowledge here, used it to your benefit and now you have no further use for the site or its posters-- ADIOS AMIGO
Why, TR, you just gave us all a warm fuzzy! 
Come on over and I'll cook you a nice, Italian meal just like your Mama used to cook (I have an Italian Mama, too, and she taught me well)!
Come on over and I'll cook you a nice, Italian meal just like your Mama used to cook (I have an Italian Mama, too, and she taught me well)!
Two very important rules down here in Tejas.
Don't mess with Texas.
Dont' mess with mommas ('specially catchers moms!)
Don't mess with Texas.
Dont' mess with mommas ('specially catchers moms!)
Raiders,
You are a charming fellow. LOL
You are a charming fellow. LOL
Moral of the story:
Don't mess with baseball moms!
Don't mess with baseball moms!
Tenndad ...
You have learned well ... perhaps from TennMom?
You have learned well ... perhaps from TennMom?
One thing that I've noticed about the Tennessee websters on the hsbbweb is that they show a lot of class and respect for their fellow websters including the "baseball moms." These fellas are some nice Southern gentlemen. Some others would do well to follow their fine example.
Ann
Ann
Aynnnnnn,
I would hope that you do not have a reference to me in there anywhere!!! How is Ryan's summer going?
OPP
I would hope that you do not have a reference to me in there anywhere!!! How is Ryan's summer going?
OPP
A few points to ponder.
1. If one feels that a webster has given incorrect advice, help to correct the information instead of being rude and nasty.
2. Be honest and teach your sons to be honest. Tell the coaches that sign your son for college how you plan on handling the draft situation. Don't tell them how badly your son wants to attend their program and in the next breath tell people your son is going to JUCO if drafted and not offered enough of a signing bonus.
4. Be careful what you say, remember what you say and who you say it to. The baseball community is a small world. No matter what you and your son decide after HS, the process doesn't stop there. How YOU conduct yourself will follow HIM wherever he goes.
5. Yes, don't mess with baseball moms whether they be catcher moms, pitcher moms, infield or outfield moms or any other moms for that matter!
Raiders, we know you really have not gone anywhere, you'll be back, if not posting then reading, you have alot more to learn. Yes, you should be happy your son is living his dream and so are hundreds of others as well(living their dreams). There are dreams and there are goals, whether you help your son decide to reach one or the other at different stages in his life, doesn't mean the learning stops, or that you have become an expert on recruiting or negotiating a signing bonus.
I know that some of you may not understand some of the above, I apologize, but Raiders will understand.
1. If one feels that a webster has given incorrect advice, help to correct the information instead of being rude and nasty.
2. Be honest and teach your sons to be honest. Tell the coaches that sign your son for college how you plan on handling the draft situation. Don't tell them how badly your son wants to attend their program and in the next breath tell people your son is going to JUCO if drafted and not offered enough of a signing bonus.
4. Be careful what you say, remember what you say and who you say it to. The baseball community is a small world. No matter what you and your son decide after HS, the process doesn't stop there. How YOU conduct yourself will follow HIM wherever he goes.
5. Yes, don't mess with baseball moms whether they be catcher moms, pitcher moms, infield or outfield moms or any other moms for that matter!
Raiders, we know you really have not gone anywhere, you'll be back, if not posting then reading, you have alot more to learn. Yes, you should be happy your son is living his dream and so are hundreds of others as well(living their dreams). There are dreams and there are goals, whether you help your son decide to reach one or the other at different stages in his life, doesn't mean the learning stops, or that you have become an expert on recruiting or negotiating a signing bonus.
I know that some of you may not understand some of the above, I apologize, but Raiders will understand.
Actually, Tiger Paw, most of us can learn from what you have written. And we can always learn from others .... even from those who have been through similar circumstances (I honestly believe there are no real "same circumstances").
All of our perspectives are different and all of our results are different. What works for one may not work for another ... but we should be willing to research ideas based on the input and experiences of others.
When we come to a situation and intimate that we know it all, have learned it all, and directly (or indirectly) try to detract from another's input through hostile comments, we may be shutting the door of opportunity and learning for others. And that is not what this site is about.
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
You know I value your opinions !!!!
All of our perspectives are different and all of our results are different. What works for one may not work for another ... but we should be willing to research ideas based on the input and experiences of others.
When we come to a situation and intimate that we know it all, have learned it all, and directly (or indirectly) try to detract from another's input through hostile comments, we may be shutting the door of opportunity and learning for others. And that is not what this site is about.
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
You know I value your opinions !!!!
Mary Ann and Ann:
I have been divorced for 12 years and raised my three children on my own. Over the years I have coached everything under the sun. Baseball has always been my love and the number one priority. We did well enough that we won a couple state championships and had 4 world series final four finishes with 1 national championship. I was the high school baseball booster club president for seven years and the people who did the most work for the team were the baseball mom’s.
Son #1 is a senior baseball player at Middle Tennessee State and son#2 will be a freshman baseball pitcher at Vol State junior college this fall. My daughter will be a high school Junior this coming year and is a straight A student. I couldn’t have raised them without the help of my family.
My father died in 1992 and my mother has been my biggest hero who volunteered for everything having to do with my children. She is the biggest baseball nut you will ever find and is more knowledgeable in baseball than our local high school coach. I guess you would call her a baseball mom!
She’s the one who screams Whoooooo Hoooooo every time our teams does something good and keeps a detailed book of every pitch and hit in every baseball game. She’s the one who played catch and hit me ground balls when I was little and it was good enough that my brother and I played college baseball.
Yes, There will be a Tennmom after August this year! We met nine years ago and have dated ever since. Her husband was killed in a tragic accident and she was left to raise a son on her own. We have helped each other over the years get our kids raised and out of high school. Her son is the same age as my son#2. We decided to get our kids raised and out of the house before we started a life together. Plus I need help rasing a daughter. Now its our time to grow old together.
When I met her she was a Baseball Mom. I guess that’s why I fell in love with her.
I am 44 year old baseball dad and the one thing that I am sure of is that I know I don't have all the answers and learn something new every day. Sometimes the best advice comes from someone you never expected.
My parents raised me to treat others the way you would like to be treated. Some how it has always worked fine for me. So the Tennessee guys treat everyone like family till they make us mad!
I have been divorced for 12 years and raised my three children on my own. Over the years I have coached everything under the sun. Baseball has always been my love and the number one priority. We did well enough that we won a couple state championships and had 4 world series final four finishes with 1 national championship. I was the high school baseball booster club president for seven years and the people who did the most work for the team were the baseball mom’s.
Son #1 is a senior baseball player at Middle Tennessee State and son#2 will be a freshman baseball pitcher at Vol State junior college this fall. My daughter will be a high school Junior this coming year and is a straight A student. I couldn’t have raised them without the help of my family.
My father died in 1992 and my mother has been my biggest hero who volunteered for everything having to do with my children. She is the biggest baseball nut you will ever find and is more knowledgeable in baseball than our local high school coach. I guess you would call her a baseball mom!
She’s the one who screams Whoooooo Hoooooo every time our teams does something good and keeps a detailed book of every pitch and hit in every baseball game. She’s the one who played catch and hit me ground balls when I was little and it was good enough that my brother and I played college baseball.
Yes, There will be a Tennmom after August this year! We met nine years ago and have dated ever since. Her husband was killed in a tragic accident and she was left to raise a son on her own. We have helped each other over the years get our kids raised and out of high school. Her son is the same age as my son#2. We decided to get our kids raised and out of the house before we started a life together. Plus I need help rasing a daughter. Now its our time to grow old together.
When I met her she was a Baseball Mom. I guess that’s why I fell in love with her.
I am 44 year old baseball dad and the one thing that I am sure of is that I know I don't have all the answers and learn something new every day. Sometimes the best advice comes from someone you never expected.
My parents raised me to treat others the way you would like to be treated.
Some how it has always worked fine for me. So the Tennessee guys treat everyone like family till they make us mad!
TennDad ...
Thanks for sharing such a wonderful story with us. And based on your one comment
I obviously was correct when I made the statement that you have learned well from (your) TennMOM.
Congrats on the upcoming wedding.
Thanks for sharing such a wonderful story with us. And based on your one comment
quote:
my mother has been my biggest hero
I obviously was correct when I made the statement that you have learned well from (your) TennMOM.
Congrats on the upcoming wedding.
Tenndad,
Thanks for sharing your personal story.
There are not too many dads out there who would have posted what you did today! I admire you.
Nothing like those baseball moms!
Best of luck to you!
Way to go, MA!
Thanks for sharing your personal story.
There are not too many dads out there who would have posted what you did today! I admire you.
Nothing like those baseball moms!
Best of luck to you!
Way to go, MA!
Tenndad---
I only have one question. Did she take your survey?
I only have one question. Did she take your survey?
Tenndad,
What a way to start the day reading your wonderful post! HSBBW used to make me feel that way alot more often in the past. I think this thread got us back on that road, thank you
I applaud you also for putting the kids first the dividends are priceless as you know
What a way to start the day reading your wonderful post! HSBBW used to make me feel that way alot more often in the past. I think this thread got us back on that road, thank you
I applaud you also for putting the kids first the dividends are priceless as you know