Assuming a 6'1 RHP has good mound presence, knows how to pitch, very athletic around the mound and has average to decent off-speed stuff. What type of velocity would he have to have to start getting some interest.
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What is your peak velocity and cruising speed, off speed?
I topped out at 92 this summer after my Junior year. I cruise around 88-89.. My curve comes in at around 75 and has good bite.. Need to work on my change-up some... Already have committed to a top 25 D-1 program as a two way player. I was wondering if I could top out at 94 and cruise around 90-91 next season, if that will get me in the draft next year. I only see me gaining around 2-3 MPH next year and wondering if that will be enough.
Your current velocity would get you drafted, but you have been here for awhile you should have known that.
BTW, you and your parent should have seperate profiles, JMO.
As a pitcher, your projectibility and your willingness to give up that scholarship to Louiseville to turn pro and the amount of money you would like to sign will determine if you get drafted or not, and where.
BTW, you and your parent should have seperate profiles, JMO.
As a pitcher, your projectibility and your willingness to give up that scholarship to Louiseville to turn pro and the amount of money you would like to sign will determine if you get drafted or not, and where.
I have been told that if you are a RHP out of High School, you better touch 95 to get any offers... That seemed high for me, just was curious if anyone knew anybody that was drafted out of high school and what was there velocity... I know so many things come into play. I will just hope to stay healthy and see what happens...
You may mean you have to hit 95 to get real money that would make it worth while not going to college.
My son was only hitting 91-92 his senior year in HS, and he could have been drafted but took the college route, now in pro ball, you still won't find many pitchers above that velocity. There is much more to it than hitting high numbers, that's my opinion. Of course if you have the arm strength and the ability to throw your FB at different locations, or your FB has movement, sinks etc, that's more important than getting it up to 95. You need to get people out, you don't have to hit 95 to do that.
This is a hard question to answer, why not just have a good time this year, work hard and good things will happen.
My son was only hitting 91-92 his senior year in HS, and he could have been drafted but took the college route, now in pro ball, you still won't find many pitchers above that velocity. There is much more to it than hitting high numbers, that's my opinion. Of course if you have the arm strength and the ability to throw your FB at different locations, or your FB has movement, sinks etc, that's more important than getting it up to 95. You need to get people out, you don't have to hit 95 to do that.
This is a hard question to answer, why not just have a good time this year, work hard and good things will happen.
You don't have to throw 95 out of high school to get offers. That's just plain wrong, 21. Bum, Jr. is a smaller LHP who was drafted out of h.s., but opted to go to college. The #2 pitcher on his h.s. team, a 6'4 RHP who was 86-88 at the time was drafted by Tampa and was offered a good sum of money. Heard he's in the low 90's now and doing well. Colleges look for present ability and the pros emphasize projectibility.
I agree with Bum. Friend of son's is a RHP, 6'3", 2011 and touches 91-92, cruises at 87-89 and is getting a lot of attention from agents and scouts.
He is projected as 1-3 round pick at this point. I think the main word is projectability.
He is projected as 1-3 round pick at this point. I think the main word is projectability.
quote:Originally posted by bsaeball21:
I have been told that if you are a RHP out of High School, you better touch 95 to get any offers... That seemed high for me, just was curious if anyone knew anybody that was drafted out of high school and what was there velocity... I know so many things come into play. I will just hope to stay healthy and see what happens...
You are about Zach Grienke's size. He was hitting 96-97 and working 91-94 at the end of his high school career. He was a top 10 pick.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
You may mean you have to hit 95 to get real money that would make it worth while not going to college.
My son was only hitting 91-92 his senior year in HS, and he could have been drafted but took the college route, now in pro ball, you still won't find many pitchers above that velocity. There is much more to it than hitting high numbers, that's my opinion. Of course if you have the arm strength and the ability to throw your FB at different locations, or your FB has movement, sinks etc, that's more important than getting it up to 95. You need to get people out, you don't have to hit 95 to do that.
This is a hard question to answer, why not just have a good time this year, work hard and good things will happen.
Agreed TPM!! It's all about projectability and pitchability. Son was drafted out of HS last year, signed, and is loving it. Was 93-95 last year in HS. BUT, it ain't how hard...it's where! First pitch out of his hand as a professional came in at 95MPH...and went out at 150MPH!!! Low-to-mid 90 guys are a dime a dozen in pro ball. Being able to mentally and physically get guys out is another story.
Aren't getting drafted high and succeeding after the draft two different things?
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
Aren't getting drafted high and succeeding after the draft two different things?
You got that right. It doesn't matter where you get drafted, every player has got a whole lot of work to do to stay in the game.
In another post Ryan Robinson makes a good point about pitchers, it's not all about the velocity, but your secondary stuff that will keep you there. I am not sure that many young players (and their folks) understand this, they are so caught up in velocity gains. Yes velocity gets you noticed but if you don't have other stuff besides that, it's a tough road for many.
I think you are overestimating the number of low to mid 90s pitchers in minor league ball. I really haven't seen very many minor league pitchers work in the 90s at all and the ones who do stand out.
I agree with you, DADad low to mid 90 guys are not a dime a dozen in pro ball.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I agree with you, DADad low to mid 90 guys are not a dime a dozen in pro ball.
OK. So you took it literally. What I mean is that in HS, you might have one or two kids throwing 90+ in your district. Maybe. Get to rookie ball, include the Latin American players, and there are many more. The whole intent of my message was that velocity is not end-all.
What it takes to get the opportunity is not always what it will take to continue to allow you to have that opportunity. Velocity is very important you must have a certain amount to get the opportunity to pitch at that level. Then your ability to locate , movement , quality of off speed etc will determine how long you get to continue to have that opportunity and if you move up the ladder.
The fact is if you can throw very hard you will get the opportunity to see if you can develop. If you can not throw at least hard enough to get the chance your other attributes as a pitcher will not be enough to get you a shot. Its no different than the tremendous athlete who can run like a deer. If he can field decently , throw decently and make a little contact he gets a chance to see if he can develop. If he doesnt develop he is a great athlete who couldnt become a good enough baseball player for it to matter in the end. No different than the guy with the great arm who could not develop into a good enough pitcher to hang around.
The fact is if you can throw very hard you will get the opportunity to see if you can develop. If you can not throw at least hard enough to get the chance your other attributes as a pitcher will not be enough to get you a shot. Its no different than the tremendous athlete who can run like a deer. If he can field decently , throw decently and make a little contact he gets a chance to see if he can develop. If he doesnt develop he is a great athlete who couldnt become a good enough baseball player for it to matter in the end. No different than the guy with the great arm who could not develop into a good enough pitcher to hang around.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
I think you are overestimating the number of low to mid 90s pitchers in minor league ball. I really haven't seen very many minor league pitchers work in the 90s at all and the ones who do stand out.
Amen. If you go to four Florida State League (high A pitchers league, full of prospects) you probably won't see more than 2 or 3 guys work in the 90's, out of probably 20 pitchers.
quote:posted by dadofones: Low-to-mid 90 guys are a dime a dozen in pro ball.
We'll agree there are more 90's guys in pro ball than high school. Not much of a stretch there.
There is only one place where guys in the 90's are a dime a dozen........Jupiter.
The truth of it is there are 90's pitchers who get to the big leagues by getting outs and not walking batters. If you get outs and don't walk guys, velocity is secondary. You don't need to be in the 90's to be effective, but it can help.
After high school, EVERYBODY will turn around fat pitches in the 90's.
The fact is 90's all alone WILL get you paid, fat or not (see Jason Neighborgal).
If you throw in the 90's an look like a ballplayer, somebody will want to be in the bsaeball21 business.
Jeez Louise, the Pirates went to India and hired two javelin throwers, simply because they throw hard.
Scouting for more javelin throwers
loose is fast. play ball like you never will again and let scouts worry about the draft. It took me 4 yrs to figure that out, one tj surgery and I was to old. That speed is gas trust your stuff prepare and have a blast. Play without fear and observe the game.
FYI, 91 is MLB average.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
The fact is 90's all alone WILL get you paid, fat or not (see Jason Neighborgal).
I have not heard that name since he retired, Jason Neighborgall, and a wealthy man.
That arm...Not close to 90 mph. Try 100 mph.
And a deuce that scouts grade out at 80.
Neighborgall's arm might be the greatest in all of baseball.....
........If only he had any idea what to do with it.
I watched the kid at Ga Tech for three years when he came to Maryland.
A great kid with great work habits.
Speaks and talks pitching and he gets it and knows what he needs to do.
Physically, he just can't put it together.
And then many remember that blessed arm.
bhick33-best advice I have heard in a long time. Don't worry about what everyone else is throwing. Take care of yourself and as you said
quote:trust your stuff prepare and have a blast. Play without fear and observe the game.
great info...just taking the hill and throwing hard doesnt constiute that your a pitcher...
Amen GOOD EYE
Maybe not, but it sure helps....That`s why there are pitching coaches in the pros...to teach and instruct.