drafted out of hs?

yes

Likely, scouts can envision him at 220lbs what he'll be throwing, But, have any scouts seen him to date?  Played in Area Code?  What do his travel club coach's think?  Normally the club coach's are connected with area scouts - if they think a kid should be put on a scouts radar, they're the first to do it.

 

We have  a 6'0 190lb two player (3b/RHP) in our area, it wasn't until he was a junior and throwing over 90 with command of numerous pitch's did he get the attention from MLB scouts. He's now at 94 and getting lots of attention.  His dad played 13 yrs in the minors, so there were a lot of contacts, but that didn't accelerate the process.  

 

This kid will get drafted, and possibly, if the money is there, he may bypass college.

He was invited to the area code games but did not participate because he was injured at the time.  He has been contacted by a few area scouts, but it doesnt seem like very serious interest, from what his parents have told me.

Has he been asked to fill out questionnaires by any MLB clubs?  I haven't been involved with too many players get that type of interest coming out of HS but this seems to be the norm for those who have. 

Yes he has filled out many questionaires,  but his parents are unsure if this is actual interest or if it just means that he is on their board

OK, so I know a few who were told they were likely to be drafted between round x and 2x and I know a few who have been asked to fill out questionnaires and never heard a word and were not drafted (nor were they remotely ready, although projectable).  So, based on my miniscule subset and the info provided, he falls somewhere between a chance and a very, very remote chance.  Still nice to be asked about. 

 Where does PG have him ranked? Has there been any in home visits? a few? 5-6? maybe10 already? if he is receiving this type of attention maybe an adviser would be necessary to help you with what it all means.

He is a 9 on perfect game.  He has not had any in home visits to date.

What is college interest?  Who wants him?

He is commited to a top d1 school.

If he is that tall and thin ( and lefty) he might get drafted as a project if he can touch upper 80s but I doubt he gets drafted in the first 5 or 6 rounds. And in late rounds he won't get much of a signing bonus plus he has a long way ahead of him.

 

if he has the academic talent it would probably make sense to go to college, add 20 pounds and 5 mph and then get a good paycheck in the draft.

Everything will depend on how he throws this next spring before the draft.  Typically pitchers his size gain velocity each year for awhile.  We have seen some gain as much as 5 to 8 mph between fall and the next spring.  Sounds like scouts already know him, so they will follow up in the spring.

 

Usually lefties throwing in his current range end up in college where they further develop.

Best advice above.

There are a lot of factors that go into drafting a pitcher out of HS.  

The parents of the player need to do a lot of homework regarding getting drafted out of HS. There is enough info here to help them understand the process.

Another factor is his desire for an education.  Corona HS, in southern California had a kid by the name of Tristin Beck who was a 1st rounder but had already gone on record as saying he was going to Stanford no matter what.  I have also had 2 players, no where near Beck's level, whom were not taken because they wanted to go to college coming out of HS.

It's somewhat dependent on the attitude he is taking towards the draft.  If he indicates a willingness to sign, then he might get drafted.  I don't think the numbers you post indicating his current stats make him a compelling high round pick, rather a kid they see as having potential down the road.  JMO.  A lot of kids fill out a lot of questionnaires and never get drafted.  Did he get invited to Jupiter this year? 

Why do some MLB teams still draft HS players like Beck in later rounds even after knowing they are going to college for sure?  Have seen this a few times. Just curious. 

Some people think that is a waste pick, but I think it sends a message to the player, we like you and will be watching.  After a certain round some teams just don't need to draft anymore, some teams actually have more mil teams and need players to make up a team to play with their true prospects.

Thanks TPM, I appreciate the reply. That makes sense!

Also, if I understand it correctly, the drafting team holds the rights to the player until they are draft eligible and drafted by another team in the future, so if something happens, say the kid drops out of college after a year, they retain the rights to that player and he could choose to sign with him. 

 

Some me one who knows better, please correct me if I'm wrong. 

That is not the rule anymore. Teams now have until roughly mid-July to sign a pick taken in the June amateur draft.

 

Years ago, the rules were different and allowed for the concept of "draft and follow."

Unless he's drafted high  offered life altering money he should head for college. Then maybe in three years he raises his stock. He will also have three years of college completed. The exception would be a kid who is just not college material. What is life altering money? It's in the eye of the beholder.

seven figures.

Having gone through the process last year, you have received some accurate advice. My son was not as tall as your friend but was 4-5mph above him in velocity. Son was receiving a fair amount of pro interest with multiple in home visits. He filled out questionnaires from almost every MLB team. An injury occurred and the pro interest evaporated VERY quickly. This is a business and you need to approach it as such. You can't go wrong with school and the education. Without life altering money (whatever that means for that particular family ), I would say go to school, develop and look for draft in 3 years.

IMHO, the answer for many players in this situation is, he can get drafted if he wants to get drafted.

 

At some point, someone's may ask how much he would require as a signing bonus to sign.  If the number he quotes is at or below what value a team puts on him, he'll get drafted.  If it's above, then it becomes a question of, how much above?  Someone might take him late and see if he'll come down, or they might see how he throws in June and early July to see if they want to move up to meet him. 

 

But if this is a high academic kid from a family that highly values a college education, don't expect teams to waste a precious draft pick on a kid that's not going to sign. 

 

To a great extent, the draft is exploitative.  Remember that its core purpose is to prevent players from being free agents, i.e., available to the highest bidder.  One team acquires the rights to each player, and the player's options are, sign or don't sign.  This is why you see foreign players sometimes signing for far more than American-born players.  (And by extension, it's why some on the management side argue for extending the draft to foreign players.)

 

If you're a kid who's not going to college anyway, or for whom baseball is the only reason for having any interest in college, then you might be willing to go pro for $50-100,000.  That might well be his best option for embarking on adult life with employment.  In contrast, a kid whose parents are both college-educated, professional or otherwise relatively well off won't see that as sufficient money to turn his head, or he may be more inclined to accept the "unsignable" label and wait 3-4 more years.

 

Another point:  Sometimes teams will take "unsignable" kids late in the draft just to see how things go.  You might be surprised to learn this, but often by the 30th round, you're talking about taking fliers on guys who aren't really expected to become MLB players; their roles are likely to be filling out rookie league rosters so that the hot prospects have a team to play on.  But there was more of this when the draft went 50 rounds.  Now, with only 40 rounds, there aren't as many throw-away picks.

American kids have to deal with one team. The foreign kids get to negotiate with multiple teams and get the deal they want. All of my boys have dual citizenship to avoid this trap......just kidding.

I would advise 2013/ 2014  to finish school and if given  a chance to go to ST go ahead , give is a shot.... I would advise 2018 to attend Vandy unless there is a very good amount of money...  I'm not college educated  , but you can bet my five children will be.  

I've often wondered whether the elimination of the bottom 10 rounds means (a) there are more un-drafted free agents signed  (for peanuts I would presume); or (b)  fewer total players are signed, or (c)  it's a wash since many low round picks probably decided to do something else -- like go to college instead, go back to college for another year, or go find a real job that will actually pay the bills if they are college seniors. 

So what happens to a kid that is drafted, doesn't sign, then drops out of school after his freshman year?

Does he have to wait two more years "idle" before he is eligible to sign a pro contract (after being drafted a second time)?

If he drops out of college there won't be a second time.  Period.

Phil Bickford would disagree.  Extreme case....but still possible.

Xavier turner ?

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JuCo is another way to go, u have a shot of being drafted after 2 yrs. 

explore all options

Bickford was drafted by the Blue Jays 10th overall in 2013 and didn't sign. Went to CSF and then left to attemd Southern Nevada for two years in order to be ELIGIBLE for the 2015.

Turner attended Vandy for 3 years but suspended from the 2015 season and 2015 was his draft year and was drafted 500 something overall.

 

He did not drop out of school.

Ummmm.....not quite.

 

Yes, he was drafted 10th overall by the Jays in 2013 (and didn't sign).  Yes, he attended CSF as a freshman and played the 2014 season...BUT:  He only attended Southern Nevada for one year (spring 2015) and was drafted 18th overall that summer by the Giants, in what would have been his college junior year.

 

You could say he "transferred"; others would say he bailed.  In any case, he absolutely used the JuCo "loophole" and was draft eligible 2 years after enrolling (and playing a year) with a 4 year university.

 

I'm not hating on him at all.  Quite the contrary, anybody that is good enough to disregard all conventional wisdom and be drafted not once, but TWICE in the 1st round within 2 years?  Gotta respect that.

What's your point? Someone asked a question. I gave the best answer, if one drops out of school what happens if one remains "idle" for the next two years. The answer is he isnt going to get drafted if he leaves school. Bickford left and transfered to a Juco making himself eligible  for the draft in 2015. He obviously made a big mistake.

 

 

 

 

Actually, they asked if they had to remain idle for two years if they dropped out after their freshman year (and I gave an example where they wouldn't).

 

You said if they dropped out after freshman year there "won't be a second time.  Period."

 

Bickford could just as easily have played independent ball in 2015 after leaving CSF, but didn't.  I guarantee you he would still have been drafted.

 

I also don't think he obviously made a big mistake.  The kid wanted to play college ball and did very well.  His reasons for leaving CSF are his own (there was a bit of coaching drama that year, if you are familiar with the situation), but he still managed to get 1st round money even after leaving CSF high-and-dry.

 

I guess my point is making a blanket statement like you did, in the way you did, is a bit pretentious and uninformed.  You provide a lot of good input on this board and I am often very thankful for it, but IMO you can also be a bit condescending.  In this case, you're just flat out wrong.

TPM, I don't want to side track this thread with our back-and-forth.  Feel free to PM me (or ignore me) if you'd like to continue our discussion.

From my exp. you will be ignored .

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