Dropped third strike,runner ran to 1st made it safely, the batter swung, plate ump said it was a check swing.Is the batter out?
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quote:Originally posted by blm:
Dropped third strike,runner ran to 1st made it safely, the batter swung, plate ump said it was a check swing.Is the batter out?
No, if the umpire called it a check swing then it isnt strike 3..(yet)..its a ball......unless...
the defense appeals the check swing call...and possibly have the ball call overturned.....then the circus really will come to town...
Anytime there is a DTS on a checked swing (and the batter can advance), you must go to your partner immediately without being asked.
Does it matter if the batter swung or not when the 3rd stike was dropped, a question that seemed to cause confusion in this situation. I thought you had to swing.
I doesn't matter if you swing or it is a called third strike, If it is not caught you can attempt to run to first (as long as you meet the other criteria)
How about when the batter checks his swing on a full count but thinks he swung as the ball gets away. After running through first base and beating it out the defense tags him before he returns to the base. The field ump declares no swing on the appeal. Is the runner out for coming off the base on ball four?
quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
How about when the batter checks his swing on a full count but thinks he swung as the ball gets away. After running through first base and beating it out the defense tags him before he returns to the base. The field ump declares no swing on the appeal. Is the runner out for coming off the base on ball four?
No
quote:Originally posted by go3:quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
How about when the batter checks his swing on a full count but thinks he swung as the ball gets away. After running through first base and beating it out the defense tags him before he returns to the base. The field ump declares no swing on the appeal. Is the runner out for coming off the base on ball four?
No
I don't agree. The only way he is not out is if the umpire(s) issued incorrect information and created a disadvantage that they need to rectify. I don't see how that happened. The pitch was called a ball.
I might add: If the batter checks his swing on a X-2 count and starts running to 1st, it might be a good time to come up with "Yes he did!" and ring up the strike. Kind of like when a batter looks at a borderline pitch with 2 strikes and starts walking to the bench before you have decided on the call. Thanks for the help batter - "STRIKE THREE!"
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Originally posted by go3:
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Originally posted by Tangents23:
How about when the batter checks his swing on a full count but thinks he swung as the ball gets away. After running through first base and beating it out the defense tags him before he returns to the base. The field ump declares no swing on the appeal. Is the runner out for coming off the base on ball four?
No
I don't agree. The only way he is not out is if the umpire(s) issued incorrect information and created a disadvantage that they need to rectify. I don't see how that happened. The pitch was called a ball.
So am I reading this right then? Are you saying that he cannot overrun first base on a walk? I have always thought that the player advancing in a walk situation is 'treated the same as a hit ball, with the exception that he cannot be put out before reaching the bag'. That also means that if he turns towards second after taking the base, as if to lead off or possibly continue towards second, then he can be put out as well on a tag.
Correct. In FED, a batter/runner does not have "overrunning" privileges on a base on balls.
And the whole D3K/ball 4 scenario is one of the reasons why FED is "wrong" is not allowing the overrun on a walk.quote:In FED, a batter/runner does not have "overrunning" privileges on a base on balls.
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:And the whole D3K/ball 4 scenario is one of the reasons why FED is "wrong" is not allowing the overrun on a walk.quote:In FED, a batter/runner does not have "overrunning" privileges on a base on balls.
Personally, I think FED, as did OBR for years, has this right. A BoB results in an award of first, no farther. Any advancement of any kind beyond an awarded base should done at the runner's (b/r) risk.
quote:Originally posted by go3:quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
How about when the batter checks his swing on a full count but thinks he swung as the ball gets away. After running through first base and beating it out the defense tags him before he returns to the base. The field ump declares no swing on the appeal. Is the runner out for coming off the base on ball four?
No
Incorrect! He is absolutely out. It is a runner's responsibility to know his status at all times. As an aside, this is why the PU would make the appeal on his own inititive immediately if there is any potential that the play may be appealed.
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:And the whole D3K/ball 4 scenario is one of the reasons why FED is "wrong" is not allowing the overrun on a walk.quote:In FED, a batter/runner does not have "overrunning" privileges on a base on balls.
Personally, I think FED, as did OBR for years, has this right. A BoB results in an award of first, no farther. Any advancement of any kind beyond an awarded base should done at the runner's (b/r) risk.
I disagree. If umpired properly this should not be an issue. I oppose any rule made to protect against poor officiating (in this case the PU not asking the BU immediately whether it is a swing).
quote:Originally posted by fvb10:quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:And the whole D3K/ball 4 scenario is one of the reasons why FED is "wrong" is not allowing the overrun on a walk.quote:In FED, a batter/runner does not have "overrunning" privileges on a base on balls.
Personally, I think FED, as did OBR for years, has this right. A BoB results in an award of first, no farther. Any advancement of any kind beyond an awarded base should done at the runner's (b/r) risk.
I disagree. If umpired properly this should not be an issue. I oppose any rule made to protect against poor officiating (in this case the PU not asking the BU immediately whether it is a swing).
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Neither the current rule in FED, nor its predecessor in OBR, has anything to do with poor officiating.