"Dry" NE D2/D3 schools

Don't know if you consider Pennsylvania part of NE but Grove City College is about as dry as they come.

Thanks Ben!

I know a lot of the schools we visited in NJ and PA had dorms set aside for students who preferred to live in a "substance free" enviornment. No campus can be totally dry, kids will be kids, but I think if you surround yourself with kids who intend to avoid temptation your chances of success is better.

Thanks guys! I'd be the first to concede that "kids will kids". However, putting him in an college environment that restricts substance abuse is very important to him/us.

Christopher Newport University in Virginia, a very good academic school with an excellent baseball program, is a dry campus, but as has been said, every school has students that consume alcohol and CNU is no exception.

At any school, a student will be exposed to alcohol and will have to make choices-yes or no, moderation or party-time. Sometimes the "dry' aspect just pushes things off campus, but it doesn't eliminate the issue.

It is indeed possible to play college baseball and not drink, but the temptation will be there. Our collegiate summer league wooden bat team has several players from different schools that simply don't drink. Not a big deal, they just don't. It's not as unusual as one might think.

Neumann, a D3 in Pa is a dry campus.

Thanks for the great info guys!

Let's put this in perspective....

The Univeristy of Rhode Island is a "dry" campus.

My oldest attends Marywood University in Scranton, its a dry campus but just like speedsdad said "kids will be kids" but for the most part it is dry.

I'm not sure if faith is part of the equation in your question. If it is, personally I found a big key to keeping dry on campus is the presence of strong and active campus ministries. At the end of the day, the friendship and fellowship opportunities they provide often are more helpful in staying dry than being on a dry campus. I know lot's of folks that partied hardy on dry campuses I also know lots that didn't on wet campuses.

Hokieone: I'm not trying to start an arguement over academics of schools, but I think it's a little unfair to advertise Christopher Newport as a very good academic school when its ranked as a 4th tier liberal arts college and the proximity to schools such as Virginia, Washington & Lee, and William & Mary. Not trying to start a fight, but honesty is appreciated.

Gashouse: Generally, in my experiences, the higher a school is in academic prestige, the more of a "dry" campus it becomes because the kids become more focused on studying and other ways of "having fun". (There are exceptions, but this generally is the norm). There are some really awesome academic DIII schools with good baseball teams in that region (DII's tend to not be so good academically), so there's definitely not a shortage of places to play. It's going to come down more to personal feel more than anything else. Some schools I would recommend:

University of Rochester

Brandeis University

Tufts University

Johns Hopkins

Washington & Lee

Amherst

Williams

Vassar College

Swarthmore

Haverford

Once again, it's all going to come down to personal feel for your son, and I can personally testify how important it is to find the best academic fit, best social fit, and best baseball fit rather than the most prestigious or the best baseball team.

Not to argue but to say W&L being dry is like saying s***er is exciting. 7 of the schools you mentioned my son did overnights and the motto is to study hard but party harder and that includes another NESCAC school that he decided to attend.The one thing I will add is every one of those schools he said there was no pressure to drink.

Highheat: I guess it's all in your definition of "excellent academics". CNU's average entering freshman academic "marks", GPA and SAT, rank only behind UVA and William and Mary in the state of Virginia. U.S. News and World Report ranked it in the top 10 "Up and Coming" Liberal Arts schools in the nation. It is generally recognized as an excellent academic school, if you talk with high school academic advisors, with a very good track record of graduates getting employed. It's physical plant is pretty impressive with new buildings going up on average of one per year, both academic buildings and dorms. A College president friend described it to me a few years ago as "THE up and coming university in Virginia".

You can define things however you want but it fits what I would call an excellent academic school. Is it Harvard or Yale? No.

And most importantly, the baseball field is wonderful.

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Originally posted by ken:
My oldest attends Marywood University in Scranton, its a dry campus but just like speedsdad said "kids will be kids" but for the most part it is dry.

Very nice school and in a nice part of the city, although the campus may be dry the City of Scranton is hardly a dry city!!!

Eastern University is right around the corner from me. They're pretty well-behaved kids. No alcohol, no tobacco on campus. Eastern belongs to the D3 MAC.

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Originally posted by ken:
My oldest attends Marywood University in Scranton, its a dry campus but just like speedsdad said "kids will be kids" but for the most part it is dry.

Very nice school and in a nice part of the city, although the campus may be dry the City of Scranton is hardly a dry city!!!

Dunmore area is very nice and if you are a fan of the TV series "The Office" that makes it even better!

Highheat:

How could you put Brandies on your list and exclude Babson? That's a no no. Babson has better academics and better baseball plus Wellesley is a dry town.

3rd Generation:

I'm just commenting on schools I knew about in my recruiting process that I thought would be a good fit. There's an incredible amount of schools up in NE that match Gashouse's wants for his son, and just because I'm unknown to Babson and Wellselley doesn't mean theyre just as good or better than the schools I mentioned for his son. Basically...my bad.

I appreciate the great advice guys...keep it coming!!

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Good student,great kid and very good baseball player.

If this --- is true....forget about "dry" or "not dry". Trust your kid to make his own way. Pick a school based on the academics, location and coaching staff. The morals and ethics you instilled in him will help him make decisions he's going to be faced with sooner than later anyway.

Christopher Newport is an outstanding school. The misleading thing would be to judge it from an article in a magazine. CNU graduates many outstanding students who have become very, very successful. The baseball is good too. Williams, for instance, would not be a place to go to avoid alcohol and other substances. But, then, neither would Liberty, BYU or Oral Roberts or college in general. I always figured that stuff started at home anyway, and some of the most intensely "dry" homes produce just the opposite result.

Highheat:

My post was tongue in cheek as Babson, Bentley and Brandeis are similar schools that are close to each other and which are big rivals.

By most objective measures Babson has pulled away from the other schools academically but I'm sure members of the Brandeis community might take issue with that statement. The city where Brandeis is located is not dry. Wellesley, where Babson is located, is dry.

My son was recruited by most of the schools on your list and they are all great schools and could provide Gashouse's son with a great college baseball experience.

Jemaz: I'm not hear to argue academics. It's incredibly subjective, as we obviously have a disagreement about the excellence of academics at CNU, and there's no way either of us will sway each other. I was just trying to state my opinion.

Now onto what this thread is basically starting to show that was touched on by PA Dino: Unless you send your son to play at a school that is COMPLETELY Dry and doesnt have alcohol within 50 miles, there's a good chance that due to the so to speak "party boy" reputation baseball players carry, your son will encounter alcohol at any school he goes to. It comes more down to the person than necessarily the environment; you can lead your son to a great school with minimal drinking but it's ultimately his choice to make the moral decisions.

I don't know how much support I have on this, but in my opinion, if you want to minimize drinking, youre going to have to place a lot of faith in your son and also try to send him to a place that offers him the best education, best baseball, and best social experience for HIM, not a father's wants, but him.

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Originally posted by highheat15:
Jemaz: I'm not hear to argue academics. It's incredibly subjective, as we obviously have a disagreement about the excellence of academics at CNU, and there's no way either of us will sway each other. I was just trying to state my opinion.

Now onto what this thread is basically starting to show that was touched on by PA Dino: Unless you send your son to play at a school that is COMPLETELY Dry and doesnt have alcohol within 50 miles, there's a good chance that due to the so to speak "party boy" reputation baseball players carry, your son will encounter alcohol at any school he goes to. It comes more down to the person than necessarily the environment; you can lead your son to a great school with minimal drinking but it's ultimately his choice to make the moral decisions.

I don't know how much support I have on this, but in my opinion, if you want to minimize drinking, youre going to have to place a lot of faith in your son and also try to send him to a place that offers him the best education, best baseball, and best social experience for HIM, not a father's wants, but him.

Well said!