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ER vs UE Scorekeeping ?

MrandMrsBaseballMrandMrsBaseball1,000+ posts
This was a controversy which came up last year and I thought I'd bring it "to the experts".

If a runner advances on an error, and then scores....but would NOT have scored from the original base.........is this an unearned run?

Example:
Baserunner on 1st reaches 3rd base on an outfielders error. Next batter bunts and run scores. BUT runner would not have scored from 1st on the bunt. So is he an Earned or Unearned run?

I believe it's open to scorekeepers discretion but whaddaya think??

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MrandMrsBaseballMrandMrsBaseball1,000+ posts
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
See, this is why I'm not a scorekeeper 14

So if subsequent events make it such that he would have scored from the original base ANYWAY.....then it's a moot point right? I gotcha!

What if it would have been the error would have been the 3rd out?? Then what?

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FungoFungoHighly Regarded and Beloved Old Timer
You have to ask yourself this question. Would that run have scored if the inning were played error free? If the answer is yes then the run is earned. If the answer is no, the run would be unearned.
From the rule book:
An earned run is a run for which the pitcher is held accountable. In determining earned runs, the inning should be reconstructed without the errors (which include catcher's interference) and passed balls, and the benefit of the doubt should always be given to the pitcher in determining which bases would have been reached by errorless play. For the purpose of determining earned runs, an intentional base on balls, regardless of the circumstances, shall be construed in exactly the same manner as any other base on balls. (a) An earned run shall be charged every time a runner reaches home base by the aid of safe hits, sacrifice bunts, a sacrifice fly, stolen bases, putouts, fielder's choices, bases on balls, hit batters, balks or wild pitches (including a wild pitch on third strike which permits a batter to reach first base) before fielding chances have been offered to put out the offensive team. For the purpose of this rule, a defensive interference penalty shall be construed as a fielding chance. (1) A wild pitch is solely the pitcher's fault, and contributes to an earned run just as a base on balls or a balk. (b) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner who reaches first base (1) on a hit or otherwise after his time at bat is prolonged by a muffed foul fly; (2) because of interference or obstruction or (3) because of any fielding error. (c) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner whose life is prolonged by an error, if such runner would have been put out by errorless play. (d) No run shall be earned when the runner's advance is aided by an error, a passed ball, or defensive interference or obstruction, if the scorer judges that the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay.
Hope this helps,
Fungo

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
MrandMrsBaseballMrandMrsBaseball1,000+ posts
Coons,
According to Fungo's info, if you reconstructed that scenario w/out errors then that would be an unearned run, because it would have been the 3rd out.

The only problem w/ any of this is that most HS scorekeepers haven't a clue.


Justbb, thanks for the clarification, however I've NEVER seen a wild pitch (from my son anyway) They're always passed balls Wink

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FungoFungoHighly Regarded and Beloved Old Timer
A run that scores because of a wild pitch is earned. A run that scores because of a passed ball is unearned unless that run would have score without passed balls or errors. Coons you are right passed balls and wild pitches are NOT errors but a pitcher is held accountable for his wild pitches. I have also seen a college game where the dropped third strike allowed the runner to advance to 1b and an error was charged to the catcher (go figure).
The rules state:
Because the pitcher and catcher handle the ball much more than other fielders, certain misplays on pitched balls are defined in Rule 10.15 as wild pitches and passed balls. No error shall be charged when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored. (1) No error shall be charged when the batter is awarded first base on four called balls or because he was touched by a pitched ball, or when he reaches first base as the result of a wild pitch or passed ball. (i) When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, score a strikeout and a wild pitch. (ii) When the third strike is a passed ball, permitting the batter to reach first base, score a strikeout and a passed ball. (2) No error shall be charged when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk.
Fungo

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

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