i have heard a lot of things about other conferences but what do you people think about the teams from the ESCC such as JCA, Benet, Notre Dame, Marist, Nazareth, St. Pats and the other teams?
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I think the conference is respectable, but no way a powerhouse. While the conference itself is relatively talented this season, I dont think that this is usually the case. Plus, quite a few of these schools do take a relatively easy schedule by playing cps schools or smaller baseball programs.
Essentially, if a team from the ESCC was playing someone from the WSC, Dupage Valley, MSL or CSL, I think that the public schools would prevail more often than not.
Essentially, if a team from the ESCC was playing someone from the WSC, Dupage Valley, MSL or CSL, I think that the public schools would prevail more often than not.
Ballyall
The ESCC took 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the state tournament year before last. So I think they might have been respectable in 2004 too.
JCA's non-conference schedule includes: JT, DeLasalle, St Rita, Minooka, Naperville Central. Naperville North, Providence, Andrew, Divine Child (MI state champs 5a), Homewood Flossmor, Lockport, LW Central, Plainfield South and Lincolnway East. If you think this is a relatively easy schedule you really don't know what you are talking about.
Benet plays most of the DVC schools and I really don't know of too many games the ESCC plays with cps schools. The Catholic league plays way more games with cps than the ESCC.
Carmel, Notre Dame, Benet and JCA are all ranked teams. In fact Benet won the Schaumburg tournament and JCA won the WJOL tournament. And yes there were public schools entered in those events. I would put the ESCC up against any conference in the area. The Sun Times stated that the conference was something like 60-19 versus non-conference opponents.
While I respect you opinion you might want to back it up with some facts next time.
The ESCC took 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the state tournament year before last. So I think they might have been respectable in 2004 too.
JCA's non-conference schedule includes: JT, DeLasalle, St Rita, Minooka, Naperville Central. Naperville North, Providence, Andrew, Divine Child (MI state champs 5a), Homewood Flossmor, Lockport, LW Central, Plainfield South and Lincolnway East. If you think this is a relatively easy schedule you really don't know what you are talking about.
Benet plays most of the DVC schools and I really don't know of too many games the ESCC plays with cps schools. The Catholic league plays way more games with cps than the ESCC.
Carmel, Notre Dame, Benet and JCA are all ranked teams. In fact Benet won the Schaumburg tournament and JCA won the WJOL tournament. And yes there were public schools entered in those events. I would put the ESCC up against any conference in the area. The Sun Times stated that the conference was something like 60-19 versus non-conference opponents.
While I respect you opinion you might want to back it up with some facts next time.
quote:The Sun Times stated that the conference was something like 60-19 versus non-conference opponents.
How could you argue with that. That shows you how good the conference is and how competitive it will be.
There is no question the top of that league is as strong as any in recent years. Don't know if I think it is the best top to bottom though.
The funny thing is with the ESCC's non-conference record is that St. Viator is around 2-10, so imagine how good our record is without Viator. We might get 4 teams in the final 8 this year, and it would not be a total stretch (ND, Carmel, JCA, Benet)
If you took an All Star team from each conferance the ESCC would without a doubt be the best in the state, and possibly the midwest... The most talented palyers int he state play in the ESCC, Teams that werent expected to do well (Nazareth) are playing good ball, so this whole conferance besides maybe 1 team are solid
An allstar team from the ESCC would be the best in state? Who are you kidding? The West Suburban Conference would destroy your team hands down. Even when you sent 3 teams to the final four, your all star team of juniors was blasted by the WSC. The talent level from the western suburbs is superior to your pool. Although we can't take students from out of our district like you can, we have much better talent
We have atleast 5 all staters in our conferance if not more...Powers, Benson, I believe they are rated the TOP 2 players in the state of ILLINOIS
norfrank-- you are absolutely correct. The WSC would destroy an ESCC team. That is true not only now but for the past quarter century as well.
To all of you that believe the ESCC is some powerhouse now, I want to let you in on a little secret: While a few of your teams are decent and the conference is enjoying the benefit of an overall weak non-conference schedule, the fact remains that NO OTHER TEAMS FEAR YOU!!!
Sure you may win a few games here and there, but you fellows are miles away from the respect and accomplishments that the WSC, MSL and CSL currently possess.
To all of you that believe the ESCC is some powerhouse now, I want to let you in on a little secret: While a few of your teams are decent and the conference is enjoying the benefit of an overall weak non-conference schedule, the fact remains that NO OTHER TEAMS FEAR YOU!!!
Sure you may win a few games here and there, but you fellows are miles away from the respect and accomplishments that the WSC, MSL and CSL currently possess.
Ball
You might want to check the schedule next time before you post. I believe that Loyola , New Trier and Barrington would take exception to your saying ESCC non conference schedule is weak . Notre Dame played all three of those teams in the last two weeks. Pretty irresponsible statements .
Who are the powerhouse teams that Maine South schedules ?
You might want to check the schedule next time before you post. I believe that Loyola , New Trier and Barrington would take exception to your saying ESCC non conference schedule is weak . Notre Dame played all three of those teams in the last two weeks. Pretty irresponsible statements .
Who are the powerhouse teams that Maine South schedules ?
the escc doesn't have to schedule these teams because the powerhouses are in the conference alone. The tribune came out with its rankings and 4 out of the top 10 teams are from the conference and 2 more are on the verge. If that isn't a powerhouse than i don't know what is.
I am the right fielder for Elk Grove High School part of the MSL and we went downstate last summer and obviously JCA is for real and there is no question that they are good and so is the ESCC...but while down there there was no big difference as far as pitching goes with JCA compared to any Mid-Suburban league team like Prospect who I think might have some of the best pitching in the state....but overall yes ESCC is the best conference in Illinois but considering last year 2/8 team at state last year were MSL teams then I think our conference does deserve some respect as well as Elk grove who are 12-1 right now and going for 3 wins tomorrow in the Niles North Tournament
oh and another thing...since most of the MSL team have beaten St.Viator it will be interesting just how bad they will lose to the other ESCC teams or will St. Viator be a suprise and hang with the big boys? still TBD
FYI --
MSHS schedules almost solely MSL teams as their nonconference games because they are the most talented conference top to bottom.
ESCC enjoy your moment; I just feel that it is a fleeting one at best.
No need to be so defensive if you are as good as you say that you are.
MSHS schedules almost solely MSL teams as their nonconference games because they are the most talented conference top to bottom.
ESCC enjoy your moment; I just feel that it is a fleeting one at best.
No need to be so defensive if you are as good as you say that you are.
ballyall-why would you say it is a fleeting one at best? the last four years the escc has had some solid teams that would and do compare to any teams in the state... two years ago the top three teams in the state were from the escc
styles... ballyall is from Maine South meaning he doesn't particularly enjoy anyone from ND. In my opinion this topic is pretty pointless anyways because no one is going to say anything objectively in it. Everyone is going to support their own conference. I can only speak from experience by saying that I wouldn't call ND's non-conference schedule a cake walk. Prospect, Hersey, GBN, NT (twice), Barrington, MS, Loyola and Prospect are consistently solid programs. By doing a little research you'll find JCA (styles could probably speak more about this) also schedules from pretty difficult non-conference games: St. Rita, Minooka, Naperville N, Naperville C, Lockport and Andrew are also good programs and none are the "chicago public league schools" that you speak of. We all know that you are very proud that Maine South beat ND; it's baseball, anyone can beat anyone else on any given day.
I must agree with you on that NDchamps 20 anyone can beat anyone else on any given day...no matter what the situation is or who your opponent is for that day
Key to the ESCC and teams like JCA is consistency. It seems like every year they take regionals, and every year they expect to get to the elite 8. Happenings like this leads to experience. Tony Testin, Joe Benson, and Tom Zurliene who are currently the captains of JCA's team, all sat on the JCA bench when myself and 9 other seniors watched the state championship slip through our fingers against another ESCC team known as Notre Dame. I watched our '02 team with Chris Gruber, Jake Jaworski and Ryan Lincoln lose in the sectional championship. It all comes down to how prepared your program is and how well your coach can adjust to talent level. No doubt ESCC is on top right now, but don't get me wrong, things could change in a second, especially in this sport. Don't be surprised if another conference starts to dominate next year or in ten years. Each team and each conference has it's time. It just happens to be the ESCC's turn. My opinion...
Well said Dan Wells
While the ESCC is OK, they sure do not have the reputations that other conferences do for putting up solid teams from top to bottom year after year.
While the ESCC is OK, they sure do not have the reputations that other conferences do for putting up solid teams from top to bottom year after year.
To Ball
Why dont you take a look at the Tribune and the Sun Times Rankings and then come back on the board and tell everyone how many ESCC teams are listed in the top ten . Personal feelings are one thing. But facts are facts
Why dont you take a look at the Tribune and the Sun Times Rankings and then come back on the board and tell everyone how many ESCC teams are listed in the top ten . Personal feelings are one thing. But facts are facts
I think ballyall is just busting your ball*y'all
i certainly agree with dan wells... by the way... dan wells.. tell dean hero says what's up and if we were in advisory he would be right out the window again.