Read the 5th paragraph. I realize that I am a very shallow person and am probably jumping to conclusions, but pregnancy???
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykss...-+01-15-08+NCAA+News
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Not sure what your point is but I did see that pregnancy continues to become a bigger issue for womans athletics. Some schools have taken away scholarships upon notification of pregnancy.
The social/moral discussion can be left for others. In that paragraph it discusses protecting scholarship due to injury and medical conditions including pregnancy. The good news is the protection of scholarship for injuries. Up to now each school has handled that differently. There is no way the NCAA is going to exclude a medical condition i.e maternity unless they want to spend a lot of money in court and lawsuits.
The social/moral discussion can be left for others. In that paragraph it discusses protecting scholarship due to injury and medical conditions including pregnancy. The good news is the protection of scholarship for injuries. Up to now each school has handled that differently. There is no way the NCAA is going to exclude a medical condition i.e maternity unless they want to spend a lot of money in court and lawsuits.
quote:Originally posted by SoutherNo1:
Read the 5th paragraph. I realize that I am a very shallow person and am probably jumping to conclusions, but pregnancy???
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykss...-+01-15-08+NCAA+News
There also has been an issue of the some females reported to have gotten abortions simply to save their scholarships. It is a REAL issue with female athletes and scholarships. For once, the NCAA has done the right thing for the student-athlete.
The right thing to do is not jump into bed or at least be smart enough to cover the stump before they hump.
Surely college athletes know what causes pregnancy.
Surely college athletes know what causes pregnancy.
Maybe Woody has a picture for us now.
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
The right thing to do is not jump into bed or at least be smart enough to cover the stump before they hump.
Surely college athletes know what causes pregnancy.
The right thing to do doesn't always make sense in the heat of passion.
A few moths ago a student athlete gave birth in the shower and put then baby in a plastic bag. She never told anyone because she was afraid that she would lose her scholarship. Because of this, she was obviously totally alone in her dilemma and never sought medical help for her "condition".
I too am not going to get into the moral aspects of what is right or wrong, but taking away a scholarship for a woman's pregnancy is just outrageous. I agree with JT, the NCAA has done something right.
I'm going to play devil's advocate and it will probably get me ripped here but I'm going to try it anyway.
You are actually punishing the team and coach for a female player getting pregnant. This coach has invested time and money into getting this player on the implied understanding they will stay 4 years to help the team. Now she makes a mistake (or even a planned one but surely she would plan around the season) and is going to sit out and miss practice and time. Now this coach is down a scholarship (unless the NCAA is going to give them an extra one to replace this one) and has to find a replacement but probably can't give her a scholarship.
What about the young lady who doesn't play sports but is on academic scholarship but still has to work a job to pay for school? She gets pregnant and now she can't work and pay for school she now loses out. What if she keeps the job but now she has to support this child and has to get another job. Her grades slip and she loses her scholarship.
Where is the protection that student?
I am not unsympathetic towards these females and I would want them to get some type of help.
I do feel that if you get hurt playing your sport then you should have your scholarship honored. You got hurt helping the school and now they owe you. But if you go out and do drunk skiing then you should have your scholarship taken away for being stupid.
TPM I wish women didn't resort to the situations you are talking about and would love to find a solution to help them.
Please don't bash too hard because there is more to it.
You are actually punishing the team and coach for a female player getting pregnant. This coach has invested time and money into getting this player on the implied understanding they will stay 4 years to help the team. Now she makes a mistake (or even a planned one but surely she would plan around the season) and is going to sit out and miss practice and time. Now this coach is down a scholarship (unless the NCAA is going to give them an extra one to replace this one) and has to find a replacement but probably can't give her a scholarship.
What about the young lady who doesn't play sports but is on academic scholarship but still has to work a job to pay for school? She gets pregnant and now she can't work and pay for school she now loses out. What if she keeps the job but now she has to support this child and has to get another job. Her grades slip and she loses her scholarship.
Where is the protection that student?
I am not unsympathetic towards these females and I would want them to get some type of help.
I do feel that if you get hurt playing your sport then you should have your scholarship honored. You got hurt helping the school and now they owe you. But if you go out and do drunk skiing then you should have your scholarship taken away for being stupid.
TPM I wish women didn't resort to the situations you are talking about and would love to find a solution to help them.
Please don't bash too hard because there is more to it.
I think the point is woman were afraid to speak up because they would lose their scholarships. If they know they can be protected while making a decision, they will seek the proper medical assistance and advice instead of possibly resorting to the above. That might mean having to give up the scholarship due to her medical condition but not automatically lose it because she was pregnant. Now she may have the opportunity for a redshirt? 
It was discovered that my son's teammate had a medical condition last year that prevented him from playing last season, they are still not sure if he will be able to play. He did not lose his scholarship. According to you, that was punishing the team because the coach took his time to recruit him and he sat the bench, while someone else could have been playing.
What about the footbal player who might be the dad? It takes two to tango, but he gets to keep his scholarship? What if she was raped and had no control over the situation? You are making assumptions she was just stupid.
You are a coach? You need to learn to have some compassion.
It was discovered that my son's teammate had a medical condition last year that prevented him from playing last season, they are still not sure if he will be able to play. He did not lose his scholarship. According to you, that was punishing the team because the coach took his time to recruit him and he sat the bench, while someone else could have been playing.
What about the footbal player who might be the dad? It takes two to tango, but he gets to keep his scholarship? What if she was raped and had no control over the situation? You are making assumptions she was just stupid.
You are a coach? You need to learn to have some compassion.
And you might want to read the whole post that I put. Because I said I was just playing devil's advocate and said I wasn't unsympathetic. I just wanted to put some more ideas out there.
It does take two to tango and if the dad does the right thing he might not be able to play because he will have to work to support the child. He just lost out.
This is like the drug testing thread - this is a complicated situation. I just wanted to throw some ideas out there for discussion.
See how I treat my students and players before you say I need to learn some compassion.
It does take two to tango and if the dad does the right thing he might not be able to play because he will have to work to support the child. He just lost out.
This is like the drug testing thread - this is a complicated situation. I just wanted to throw some ideas out there for discussion.
See how I treat my students and players before you say I need to learn some compassion.
I don't think you understsnd the point. The NCAA now considers this a medical condition, not an automatic reason to take away a person's scholarship.
One more thought, a few weeks before season began a few of the freshman went to play basketball. One of our freshman pitchers tore his knee up, he sat out all season.
How stupid! According to you he should lose his scholarship, the coach took his time to recruit him and now he has to sit while someone else could be playing. S*it happens right?
One more thought, a few weeks before season began a few of the freshman went to play basketball. One of our freshman pitchers tore his knee up, he sat out all season.
How stupid! According to you he should lose his scholarship, the coach took his time to recruit him and now he has to sit while someone else could be playing. S*it happens right?
Pregnancy is obviously a medical condition and the knee is obviously a medical condition but they both have choices in their actions. They made bad choices. If a coach wants to get rid of them why not? We're not talking high school and kids making dumb decisions. These are adults making adult decisions and if they have to pay a price then they pay it.
If a women feels she has to keep her pregnancy secret and then give birth in a shower stall and then get rid of the baby in a trash bag she has bigger problems than whether or not she keeps her scholarship. First she has legal problems and probably mental problems. Keeping her scholarship isn't going to solve them. If her education was so important then she needs to keep the sh*t happening from happening.
Coaches need do a better job of making females feel that they can come to them with problems like these (that might be me showing compassion) and working something out. But for a female to say she had no recourse is crazy. There is always avenues to pursue but they didn't take them by choice.
You make a great point on rape. If a woman is raped then she shouldn't be punished for that.
Pretty much all the other situations the women had a choice in the matter.
If a women feels she has to keep her pregnancy secret and then give birth in a shower stall and then get rid of the baby in a trash bag she has bigger problems than whether or not she keeps her scholarship. First she has legal problems and probably mental problems. Keeping her scholarship isn't going to solve them. If her education was so important then she needs to keep the sh*t happening from happening.
Coaches need do a better job of making females feel that they can come to them with problems like these (that might be me showing compassion) and working something out. But for a female to say she had no recourse is crazy. There is always avenues to pursue but they didn't take them by choice.
You make a great point on rape. If a woman is raped then she shouldn't be punished for that.
Pretty much all the other situations the women had a choice in the matter.
If your being recruited by a college and are worried how the coach will handle injuries then do some research. Ask them, ask people with the college, ask current players, ask former players how this coach deals with injuries and pregnancies. If they are someone who doesn't tolerate it then don't go there. If they are someone who has a history of working with the player then go to that school.
I'm going to bed. Good night.
I'm going to bed. Good night.
There is no way I can view a medical condition as a result of injury, and a medical condition that results from choice as being in any way similar. For me, this gets to the matter of personal resposibility. To hold a school accountable for someone who is not, just flies in the face of reason.
quote:Originally posted by SoutherNo1:
To hold a school accountable for someone who is not, just flies in the face of reason.
I am not disagreeing with that statement.
However here are some stories:
A baseball player enters fall and fails a school drug test. His punishment is to not participate in fall practice. A baseball player gets arrested for disorderly (drunk) conduct off campus, his punishment is to sit out a few practices. A football player gets busted for weed in his car one afternoon, his punishment is to miss his bowl game. Even some who lose eligibilty for their grades don't have their scholarships revoked. Some people say, and I agree, all kids make mistakes. But those examples above show lack of personal responsibility (if that is what is meant in your comment) where the schools didn't care about anyone's accountability.
A female student gets pregnant and loses her scholarship.
That's my only disagreement.
I think this is one of those cases where everyone is right to some degree. It is a matter of choice, and my initial reaction would be to agree with those posters, however the overarching need is to protect the student athlete so the NCAA did the right thing.
CADad good point and that was basically my original point. I'm not unsympathetic towards the female athlete but there's more to think about than just say "well you screwed up but don't worry about it because we will still pay for your schooling".
I'm not saying i'm against females (all athletes actually) getting some sort of help in medical situations but if a player makes a bad decision then there has to be some sort of consequence.
Maybe my original posts didn't express that clearly enough.
I'm not saying i'm against females (all athletes actually) getting some sort of help in medical situations but if a player makes a bad decision then there has to be some sort of consequence.
Maybe my original posts didn't express that clearly enough.
Good point CADad.
The whole idea of tht ruling was to protect the student athlete from being treated fairly. That was all it was about, whether the student got pregnant, got caught with drugs, alcohol or trouble with the law. In this case it fell under a medical condition.
We are always complaining that the NCAA does nothing to protect the athletes, in this case, whether we agree or not, they did.
The whole idea of tht ruling was to protect the student athlete from being treated fairly. That was all it was about, whether the student got pregnant, got caught with drugs, alcohol or trouble with the law. In this case it fell under a medical condition.
We are always complaining that the NCAA does nothing to protect the athletes, in this case, whether we agree or not, they did.
I think this is the best new regulation that the NCAA passed this fall... the only one I would have voted for in fact...