Anyone can see the sox are going to be very average this year and it's all downhill from here. Yeah, I know they won in '05, but the past is for cowards and losers!
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Very well stated: The past is for losers. The Cubs have been losers for nearly the past 100 years!!
Ringo Starr is probably a cub fan!
Didn't he right that song about the cubbies?
Didn't he right that song about the cubbies?
Being part of the Best Band of all-time, there is no doubt he is a Cub Fan.
No way he would be associated with a scruffy operation like the sox.
No way he would be associated with a scruffy operation like the sox.
Rolling Stones baby!
Sox fans are real.
Sox fans are real.
The stones do have a lot in common with the sox....most importantly, they are old and past their time!
FBD,
How will WS fans react with the 3 year extension given to Javier Vasquez? Here's a sub .500 pitcher for his career and KW throws $34.5 Million his way. Decent pitcher with terrific stuff. Classic underachiever. Now, if the Cubs made such a signing..............
How will WS fans react with the 3 year extension given to Javier Vasquez? Here's a sub .500 pitcher for his career and KW throws $34.5 Million his way. Decent pitcher with terrific stuff. Classic underachiever. Now, if the Cubs made such a signing..............
but they are "together" like the Sox.
cubs are indeed like the beatles..1/2 dead, buried and not together.
I can here Ringo singing "they are NOT what they appear to be".
cubs are indeed like the beatles..1/2 dead, buried and not together.
I can here Ringo singing "they are NOT what they appear to be".
Hate to get involved in these discussions, but couldn't resist!
Jason Marquis was 14-16 last year with a 6.02 ERA
Marquis was one of two free-agent starting pitchers added by the Cubs this offseason. He led the National League in losses with 16, had his worst ERA (6.02), and was left off the postseason roster by the St. Louis Cardinals in their world championship season. Signed with Cubs $21 million for 3 years
Another (around .500) pitcher Jeff Suppan had a good post season for the Cardinals and signed a $42 million, 4 year deal with Milwaukee.
Miguel Batista has a 68-79 life time record, he signed for 3 years, $24 million
Ted Lilly has a 59-58 life time record, he signed for 4 years, $40 million.
Guess the going rate for FA .500 pitchers is about $10 million. I guess a guy left off the post season roster with a 6.00+ ERA is valued at $7 million a year.
Jason Marquis was 14-16 last year with a 6.02 ERA
Marquis was one of two free-agent starting pitchers added by the Cubs this offseason. He led the National League in losses with 16, had his worst ERA (6.02), and was left off the postseason roster by the St. Louis Cardinals in their world championship season. Signed with Cubs $21 million for 3 years
Another (around .500) pitcher Jeff Suppan had a good post season for the Cardinals and signed a $42 million, 4 year deal with Milwaukee.
Miguel Batista has a 68-79 life time record, he signed for 3 years, $24 million
Ted Lilly has a 59-58 life time record, he signed for 4 years, $40 million.
Guess the going rate for FA .500 pitchers is about $10 million. I guess a guy left off the post season roster with a 6.00+ ERA is valued at $7 million a year.
Seems to be the going rate. Keep in mind it was a pay cut for Vazquez.
Rosy you are right. If the Cubs made that signing they would be getting ripped over it. Nontheless, this time I do have to give Kenny a little credit. It is very rare for the sox to try to keep a pitcher. Their reluctance to sign pitchers made them a team that pitchers couldn't wait to get away from. Maybe this is a change in sox policy.
Rosy you are right. If the Cubs made that signing they would be getting ripped over it. Nontheless, this time I do have to give Kenny a little credit. It is very rare for the sox to try to keep a pitcher. Their reluctance to sign pitchers made them a team that pitchers couldn't wait to get away from. Maybe this is a change in sox policy.
Hooray for Vasquez. He wins 11 games each of the past 2 years, is 30 years old and gets 3 more years for almost $35 Million. He and his agent were very, very smart. If this is a home town discount then I don't understand the term. It's the current market for someone who wins 11 games per year, gives you a bunch of innings and will never reach his potential. It is what it is.
If KW remains arrogant and stubborn in not understanding reality, he'll lose the core of veterans and the team will get very young, very quickly. I don't know if that's automatically a bad thing, but he's not Billy Beane. That GM loses top talent each year and just rebuilds and has his team in the playoffs almost every year. Can't think of another GM who has to do this year in and year out except the Twins Terry Ryan or Dave Dombrowski who did it with the Marlins.
If KW remains arrogant and stubborn in not understanding reality, he'll lose the core of veterans and the team will get very young, very quickly. I don't know if that's automatically a bad thing, but he's not Billy Beane. That GM loses top talent each year and just rebuilds and has his team in the playoffs almost every year. Can't think of another GM who has to do this year in and year out except the Twins Terry Ryan or Dave Dombrowski who did it with the Marlins.
The Cubs will win nothing this year. They won't win the cross town series, the World Series, NL Central, nothing!!! I have been hearing this same line for the past 45 years. I remember one year they had the entire NL All-Star starting infield and they won nothing with them either. Spending money today means nothing (see Minnesota.) Just keep it coming... cause come May you will all be crying AGAIN.
nc42dad,
What an uplifting post.
45 years, heck that's nothing. I just hit the 60 mark and still counting. I don't know if the Cubs will win anything this year either, but I believe that they're on a new and different path with new resources and a totally revamped minor league system. It may not mean a title this year but in my heart I know one will be here soon. As for crying, only once. In 1984 after being at both games at Wrigley against the Padres, I sat in Jack Murphy Stadium and watched them lose 3 straight to Steve Garvey's team. The worst baseball time of my life. 1969 doesn't even come close to that in my list of disappointments.
Spending money today does matter and with the few exceptions noted, will always matter.
What an uplifting post.
45 years, heck that's nothing. I just hit the 60 mark and still counting. I don't know if the Cubs will win anything this year either, but I believe that they're on a new and different path with new resources and a totally revamped minor league system. It may not mean a title this year but in my heart I know one will be here soon. As for crying, only once. In 1984 after being at both games at Wrigley against the Padres, I sat in Jack Murphy Stadium and watched them lose 3 straight to Steve Garvey's team. The worst baseball time of my life. 1969 doesn't even come close to that in my list of disappointments.
Spending money today does matter and with the few exceptions noted, will always matter.
Rosy, that was a really lousy time wasn't it? I agree, who knows what will happen this yar or in any particular year, but The Cubs are headed in the right direction.
I'll see for myself this week, as I'm catching a flight to Phoenix tommorrow morning. I just have to get away from this weather.
I'll see for myself this week, as I'm catching a flight to Phoenix tommorrow morning. I just have to get away from this weather.
quote:Originally posted by itsrosy:
I sat in Jack Murphy Stadium and watched them lose 3 straight to Steve Garvey's team.
"I owe it all to that man upstairs...in the mezzanine seats...itsrosy from Chicago"
gotwood,
Very funny now, not too much fun then. Actually I was sitting in the bleachers, and almost caught Garvey's game winning HR in game 3 or 4. You know where that ball was going if I had caught it.
Are those not the ugliest uniforms every worn in pro ball?
Very funny now, not too much fun then. Actually I was sitting in the bleachers, and almost caught Garvey's game winning HR in game 3 or 4. You know where that ball was going if I had caught it.
Are those not the ugliest uniforms every worn in pro ball?
I can only guess rosy...if it wasn't going back on the field it might have come back to Chicago for the loyal treatment...
..."Let's see...you hook the black one up to the negative...and then you hook the red one up to the positive...ok rosy...any time you're ready!"
"Fire in the hole!"
And what about Leon Durham's first baseman's glove? Did it ever get the loyal treatment?
Only once did I associate Gatorade with failure—when Chicago Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg accidentally spilled a bucket of the drink on first baseman Leon Durham’s glove 10 minutes before the start of the fifth and final game of the 1984 National League Playoffs. Durham’s error in the seventh inning of the game helped the Padres take the lead and eventually win.
“The glove got heavy and sticky after the Gatorade spilled on it,” Durham said.
(From Gatorade website.)
And you're right...those are bad looking uniforms...but there have been worse...
..."Let's see...you hook the black one up to the negative...and then you hook the red one up to the positive...ok rosy...any time you're ready!" "Fire in the hole!"
And what about Leon Durham's first baseman's glove? Did it ever get the loyal treatment?
Only once did I associate Gatorade with failure—when Chicago Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg accidentally spilled a bucket of the drink on first baseman Leon Durham’s glove 10 minutes before the start of the fifth and final game of the 1984 National League Playoffs. Durham’s error in the seventh inning of the game helped the Padres take the lead and eventually win.
“The glove got heavy and sticky after the Gatorade spilled on it,” Durham said.
(From Gatorade website.)
And you're right...those are bad looking uniforms...but there have been worse...
Those weren't uniforms, they were costumes!
You're right rosy...that photo does conjure up memories of the boys who played in the Lollipop League...
..."and we welcome you to Ozzieland!"
..."and we welcome you to Ozzieland!"
Gotwood,
I think you've nailed it perfectly. Ozzieland does have a nice ring to it and a perfect synonym for the southside!
I think you've nailed it perfectly. Ozzieland does have a nice ring to it and a perfect synonym for the southside!
Well you can make those observations rosy...I can't...I'm a White Sox fan and I don't want to get bounced each time I go to Sox Park...
Woody, that's an image I didn't need to see. 
Well I took a longshot and figured you wouldn't need to see it