when someone says a hitter has fast hands, what are they referring to and how can you tell? tahnks in advance
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Actually the phase should be "quick hands" or a "quick bat". It is the ability to "wait", wait on a pitch until the last milli-second.
A great drill is the "high" tee [chest high] and the tee placed in the center of the plate, not the front edge.
Do you understand?
Bob
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A great drill is the "high" tee [chest high] and the tee placed in the center of the plate, not the front edge.
Do you understand?
Bob
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Bob,
Why do you put the tee in the middle of the plate on this drill?
Why do you put the tee in the middle of the plate on this drill?
dan;
this allow you to practice waiting on a "late breaking"slider and then hit to opposite field.
You try it before teaching it. Not to be practiced
w/o also the normal placement of the tee on the front edge.
At my age, I still can make a contact at this position. You are literally "throwing your quick hands" and bat at the ball.
Let me know your "feeling" of energy. Use wood.
Bob
this allow you to practice waiting on a "late breaking"slider and then hit to opposite field.
You try it before teaching it. Not to be practiced
w/o also the normal placement of the tee on the front edge.
At my age, I still can make a contact at this position. You are literally "throwing your quick hands" and bat at the ball.
Let me know your "feeling" of energy. Use wood.
Bob
Ted Williams: "I don't try to set any records with the swing of my arms and shoulders. I try to do it with my hands and wrists". Basically the idea of "quick hands" is to keep them back as long as you can before swinging. It's the main reason why PCRW doesn't make sense.
what is PCRW?
quote:Originally posted by Bob Williams:
what is PCRW?
PCRW
Posture
Connection
Rotation
Whip
It was created by Paul N y m a n about 9 years ago in order to explain what he thinks happens in the high level swing. Now people like Englishbey teach it (even though I would think that he believes in using the hands). The entire swing is based around the idea that the hands do nothing more than hold on to the bat. In my opinion, it's a more advanced form of dragging the bat.
THANK YOU;
We do not have time to think when we hit,
React to the pitch and guess 90% with history.
Mays, Aaron, Williams [me and Ted*,Clemente were logical guess hitters.
":It is a beautiful art".
I can talk for 5 minutes or 5 hours on guessing.
At age 15 Delmon Young in Australia with our American teams told the two '18 year old hitters #2 and #3 what to expect from the Australia pro pitcher.
Bob
We do not have time to think when we hit,
React to the pitch and guess 90% with history.
Mays, Aaron, Williams [me and Ted*,Clemente were logical guess hitters.
":It is a beautiful art".
I can talk for 5 minutes or 5 hours on guessing.
At age 15 Delmon Young in Australia with our American teams told the two '18 year old hitters #2 and #3 what to expect from the Australia pro pitcher.
Bob
I totally agree. .4 seconds from release to contact. .2 seconds to decide whether or not to swing.
My opinions:
1. Take the first pitch from every NEW pitcher.
2. Swing only at your pitch (up to 2 strikes)
3. History determines the pitch.
4. Launch the swing from a 45 degree bat angle (to hit high pitch).
5. Flat wrist roll over
6. Location determines finish.
My opinions:
1. Take the first pitch from every NEW pitcher.
2. Swing only at your pitch (up to 2 strikes)
3. History determines the pitch.
4. Launch the swing from a 45 degree bat angle (to hit high pitch).
5. Flat wrist roll over
6. Location determines finish.
It baffles me that there are so many folks out there that still believe that all the hands do is hold the bat. And that it is still taught.
quote:Originally posted by floridafan:
It baffles me that there are so many folks out there that still believe that all the hands do is hold the bat. And that it is still taught.
I don't understand it either. If I start my swing, and suddenly the ball falls out of the zone, my hands (not my arms or shoulders) stop the bat. Same idea with connection. People teach that the hands should be connected with the shoulder. No! The hands are independent and you remain connected by the hands traveling in a tight arc.
quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:
I don't understand it either. If I start my swing, and suddenly the ball falls out of the zone, my hands (not my arms or shoulders) stop the bat. Same idea with connection. People teach that the hands should be connected with the shoulder. No! The hands are independent and you remain connected by the hands traveling in a tight arc.
I think that this idea may stem from the observation that the hands rotate with the shoulders. Once the shoulders begin to rotate but the hands slip outward or downward, things break down in a swing. Therefore, they must come along with shoulder rotation giving the illusion that the hands are doing nothing.
quote:Originally posted by Nate Barnett:
Therefore, they must come along with shoulder rotation giving the illusion that the hands are doing nothing.
Most people who believe that have either A. Never swung a bat or B. Don't understand the importance of using the hands.
Telling kids not to use the hands can help stop disconnection. But teaching that they don't do anything is a recipe for disaster.
I am unclear how video evidence is an illusion.
quote:Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
I am unclear how video evidence is an illusion.
Visual evidence of what?
Low finish, you have 10 posts and have attached PCRW and Englishbey. Am I to believe that you are really new to this site and/or a young player?
Would it be possible to coach hitting successfully and not place much emphasis on the hands?
As many of you already know, I use PCR as a basis for what I teach and coach in hitting. In fact, my child has been raised that way. It isn't that I don't mention the hands. Rather, I find that I concentrate more on other aspects of the swing. I've never been conviced that by saying, "throw your hands at the ball" you've made a successful hitter. Rather, things like "let the ball get deep, stay connected and drive the ball" seem to be cues that work for me. Thus, more attention to connection than discussion of hands alone.
I'm not here to defend PCR or PCRW or... I've done so and seen the circus that ensues. I believe what I teach for my players and child does work. The results are there and they are there long after those players continue to play after HS. So, I'll keep doing what I do.
Now back to the topic. For me, "fast hands" or "quick hands" represents the ability to sit longer on a ball, enabling that hitter to have better recognition and yet, still drive the ball regardless of location. JMHO!
Edited to add:
Many of you long time veterans of the "hitting wars" understand that Nymann's assertion of PCR and now PCRW is that only the high level MLB swing can be used in reference to PCR(W) and so that is the standard for what he asserted. Naturally anyone can, and ***** has, argued as to the implimentation of methods to reach that goal. It is extremely easy to find Nymann's thoughts on that and so, I would read his thoughts.
Would it be possible to coach hitting successfully and not place much emphasis on the hands?
As many of you already know, I use PCR as a basis for what I teach and coach in hitting. In fact, my child has been raised that way. It isn't that I don't mention the hands. Rather, I find that I concentrate more on other aspects of the swing. I've never been conviced that by saying, "throw your hands at the ball" you've made a successful hitter. Rather, things like "let the ball get deep, stay connected and drive the ball" seem to be cues that work for me. Thus, more attention to connection than discussion of hands alone.
I'm not here to defend PCR or PCRW or... I've done so and seen the circus that ensues. I believe what I teach for my players and child does work. The results are there and they are there long after those players continue to play after HS. So, I'll keep doing what I do.
Now back to the topic. For me, "fast hands" or "quick hands" represents the ability to sit longer on a ball, enabling that hitter to have better recognition and yet, still drive the ball regardless of location. JMHO!
Edited to add:
Many of you long time veterans of the "hitting wars" understand that Nymann's assertion of PCR and now PCRW is that only the high level MLB swing can be used in reference to PCR(W) and so that is the standard for what he asserted. Naturally anyone can, and ***** has, argued as to the implimentation of methods to reach that goal. It is extremely easy to find Nymann's thoughts on that and so, I would read his thoughts.
Throwing the hands at the ball is a cue. For some instructors working with some hitters it is effective. When it is taken literally it can be a disaster and ruin a young player's swing.
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:
Low finish, you have 10 posts and have attached PCRW and Englishbey. Am I to believe that you are really new to this site and/or a young player?
Would it be possible to coach hitting successfully and not place much emphasis on the hands?
As many of you already know, I use PCR as a basis for what I teach and coach in hitting. In fact, my child has been raised that way. It isn't that I don't mention the hands. Rather, I find that I concentrate more on other aspects of the swing. I've never been conviced that by saying, "throw your hands at the ball" you've made a successful hitter. Rather, things like "let the ball get deep, stay connected and drive the ball" seem to be cues that work for me. Thus, more attention to connection than discussion of hands alone.
I'm not here to defend PCR or PCRW or... I've done so and seen the circus that ensues. I believe what I teach for my players and child does work. The results are there and they are there long after those players continue to play after HS. So, I'll keep doing what I do.
Now back to the topic. For me, "fast hands" or "quick hands" represents the ability to sit longer on a ball, enabling that hitter to have better recognition and yet, still drive the ball regardless of location. JMHO!
Edited to add:
Many of you long time veterans of the "hitting wars" understand that Nymann's assertion of PCR and now PCRW is that only the high level MLB swing can be used in reference to PCR(W) and so that is the standard for what he asserted. Naturally anyone can, and ***** has, argued as to the implimentation of methods to reach that goal. It is extremely easy to find Nymann's thoughts on that and so, I would read his thoughts.
PCRW is not good in my opinion. Students should know the importance of using the hands. However, I would rather teach PCRW to kids rather than teach "hands to the ball" disconnected style. Connection (I call it staying inside the ball because I find it a little easier to make as a pre-swing thought that way) is in EVERY decent swing.
However, I think that ***** and Englishbey saying that the hands do nothing but hold onto the bat is inaccurate. Hence, my main issue with PCR/PCRW. Both provide a fair base, but I would not use them for anybody who has the basics down (unless he has a disconnection problem). Personally, I used Epstein to create a base. While he may have gotten a few things wrong, his base material is generally pretty good (but he leaves out things he did intuitively as a player).
IMO, deliberately rotating your shoulders is not the high-level pattern. You've had a lot of success, so clearly your methods work. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Low Finish, fair enough!
