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Good Morning everyone

 

I think the title says most of it. I coach HS ball in a rural area where most teams run quite aggressively because there simply not many good catchers. with 1st and 3rd, its almost guaranteed that most teams are sending the guy to second. 

 

So we run a middle infielder pick. The SS comes in just onto the grass a little to the catchers left of the pitchers mound. The catcher sells the big throw to second motion, but he is really just throwing to SS. SS catches and hopes to get the guy at 3rd off breaking towards home. 

 

We had this situation come up a couple times the other day and the base ump was in the way both times. to the point that it effected the outcome of the play. I understand that their normal positioning is on the 3rd base side of the mound, however, After having clearly botched the first attempt for us, it would have been nice if he moved to the 1st-2nd base side of the mound the next time 1st and 3rd came up, so as to allow us to play ball. Any other coaches or umps have issues with this before? is there anything you can/should say to the ump? i really try not to say anything but thank you to them typically as ive never seen much good come from arguing with blue. however, this is not a ball/strike, or safe/out, or fair/foul call. this is something the ump is doing that is interfering with my teams playing that can easily be changed.

 

 

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock:
Originally Posted by CoachZ:
 I understand that their normal positioning is on the 3rd base side of the mound,

 

Actually, it's on the other side.  Your frustration is warranted.

It depends on the mechanics set being used.

 

To the OP:  Why not run the play with F4 taking the throw? (Or have F6 move closer to the base?) (serious questions) 

Originally Posted by dash_riprock:
Originally Posted by CoachZ:
 I understand that their normal positioning is on the 3rd base side of the mound,

 

Actually, it's on the other side.  Your frustration is warranted.

That being said, umpires do not switch positioning based on the defense. By that I mean that we will not switch from B to C or vice versa. We will adjust to the situation at hand (step up or back, left or right.)

 

I add that just so if down the road, the OP has an umpire that knows where he's supposed to be, he doesn't expect him to switch based on plays he's running.

my F4 has a weak arm (like i said, really small rural area, barely able to field a team, no tryouts/cuts or anything, just whoever is willing to play and has the grades.) if i was in a situation where i had the ability, i would have SS or 2b (depending on LH or RH batter) come in directly in front of the bag and either cut down a 1 hop from the catcher to 2B if he can get R3, or let the throw go through if we think we can get the kid stealing 2B. but, i simply do not have the cards in my hand, know what im saying? so this is my improvised version of the play for our level of play/competition. and ive seen it work well before. SS is the only one with the arm and the savy for the play on my team, and the objective is to catch an aggressive runner from 3b in a pickle an he has better positioning for that than F4 would. I do not expect blue to know what we are running for plays, thats not his job. However, when he clearly botched the play for us just an inning or 2 ago, i would appreciate it if it didnt have the exact same outcome the second time around. During the course of the same game, i think that little bit of consideration would be nice/not too much to ask for. jokes on me for trying it twice i guess...

There is nothing you can do if that umpire is working an older version of the then accepted mechanics. He is where he was taught to be. There are newer mechanics that most of us use that would put him in a differing location, but only for better umpire advantage and not a possible play advantage....

 

The umpire in that case is just part of the field and is not interfering or botching your play....Your MIF needs to adapt......they can also say...." hey Blue gimme a step left".....

 

There are only 2 types of umpire interference....being hit with a batted ball and interfering with the throw of a catcher.... the rest is play on....  

Good point PIAA

 

My usual SS is a junior/captain, really good demeanor and all. I'd feel comfortable having him politely ask blue for a step or 2...typically i get nervous whenever a kid talks to an ump haha!

 

Just out of curiosity, what is the outcome of an ump interference call in either of those situations you mentioned? any batted ball that hits an ump i imagine would usually be a single or a really tough play ground ball, so im assuming the runner would get first? and idk about a catcher throw, thats a tough one.... runner goes back? would my catcher throw to the SS on this play not count as a catcher throw? its gotta be a throw directly to the bag for an out? Thanks in advance!    NFHS rules of course, if i didnt specify already. 

Umpire struck by a batted ball- NFHS 5.1.art1f- Immediate dead ball, Runners return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch, unless forced by the batter runner. Batter is awarded first and credited with a single.

 

Umpire interferes with Catchers throw- NFHS 5.1.art 2c-Delayed dead ball, if runner is not put out by the catchers throw, then all runners return to bases occupied at the time of the pitch.

 

As a trainer of NFHS umpires, it is important to me that Umpires are cordial and approachable to players with any question at an appropriate time about the playing action of the game.

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