wondering what happens that first Sunday at Stanford All Star Camp? I know there are games and workouts on the second day, at least based on last year's schedule, but can't find anything about the first day.
My 2017 will likely attend HF Sacramento but not sure about the wisdom of going directly from one event to the other. I know they are both pretty intense experiences.
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A lot of the same schools will be at both events, If he does both he may want to do the first HF session. We(2017) have chosen to do only the Stanford camp. And later in the season we will do HF if needed. A side note is that we have ties to the camp and we are biased and committed to Stanford camp. Stanford 1 includes food and lodging and is longer. He will get more individual workouts and instruction at Stanford, but it sounds like there is more coach interaction at HF. Here is a list of coaches from last year.
COACHES SCHOOL
BRANDON STOVER ABILENE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY
BRIAN HAMM AMHERST
ANTHONY DeCICCO ARMY
ED KAHOVEC BARD
"DOC" BEEMAN BENEDICTINE
GRANT ACHILLES BROWN
RYAN WOOD BUCKNELL
CHRIS CLEARY BUTLER
ANTHONY FERRO BUTTE JC
MIKE PENA BUTTE JC
MATTHEW MARK CAL TECH
AARON RUSHING CARLETON
PATRICK JOLLEY CENTENARY
SCOTT LAVERTY CHAPMAN
DAMON LESSLER CHICO STATE
DAN TISCHLER COLUMBIA
SCOTT MARSH CORNELL
BOB WHALEN DARTMOUTH
ROB DiTOMA FORDHAM
NATE MULBERG FRANKLIN AND MARSHALL
PETE WILK GEORGETOWN
BEN COOPRIDER GRINNELL COLLEGE
BILL DECKER HARVARD
NEIL GROAT HENDRIX
ERIC THEISEN HILLSDALE COLLEGE
RON RAKOWSKI HOLY CROSS
RICHIE PRICE KANSAS
TANNER BIAGINI LAFAYETTE COLLEGE
MATT DAILY LEWIS AND CLARK
TODD CARROLL MIT
KAINOA CORREA NORTHERN COLORADO
NATE RASMUSSEN PACIFIC UNIVERSITY
BUCK TAYLOR PALOMAR
MARK ROYER PENN
JAKE AYERS POMONA
NATHAN TROSKY PRO SCOUT
CRAIG DRIVER PUGET SOUND
CHRIS TERRY REGIS
MATT TYNER RICHMOND
NICK ENRIQUEZ SAN JOSE STATE
JAKE VALENTINE SANTA CLARA
MIKE HAM ST JOHN FISHER
BROCK UNGRICHT STANFORD
JON KARCICH STANFORD
RUSTY FILTER STANFORD
KRISTAPS ALDINS STEVENS
JIMMY GULDEN SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY
JIM BRAY TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY
TIM SCANNELL TRINITY UNIVERSITY
JASON TOWER TUFTS
MATT VAUGHN UC DAVIS
JOHN FITZGERALD UNIV OF CHICAGO
JOE REINA UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER
MIKE MC CORMICK UOP
MATT HOBBS WAKE FROEST
PAT PINKMAN WASHINGTON UNIVERISTY IN ST LOUIS
ROBERT RUIZ WESTMONT
MATT HUSTED WHEATON
Back to your initial question, first day you show up, register, get replica mesh Stanford Jersey and hat, go to football field and do some preliminary metric testing. Vertical, 60, medicine ball toss, shuttle, etc. Then you get cage BP and a round of pro style BP. After that, break into your group, meet your team coach and go to your scheduled activity. Activities are BP cages, Defense, pro BP, speed and agility training and testing. 1 activity on the first day, then you get a lecture/presentaion from a sports motivational speaker and the day is done. Kids get the evening to hang out and meet each other.
Smoke, last year All Star 1 was pretty busy, 400 plus kids and sounds like it may have been too many. Dont know if staff will make it smaller this year. I would be surprised if they turn kids away. HF will be a smaller group and more academic kids than at Stanford. 2017 got some exposure and we are visiting with a few quality programs from that camp, but I dont get the feeling that 2017s were a priority that year. 2016s were the more immediate need of coaches. The Stanford camp feels that 1 in 4 of campers will sign with a school that was met at all star camp. That is the feedback from old campers and coaches responding to questionnaires. Hope that helps
Very helpful!! That list of coaches is impressive. I was using the the game list as a source for coaches so it's great to see there are a lot of coaches there who aren't actually coaching a team.
BTW, does anyone know if the coaches also pay to attend these events like Stanford/HF?
No; they don't pay and the list is the ones that participate with the kids. There will be many more coaches that will be in the stands that are not part of the camp.
Stanford does not let Pac 12 or other rival schools come to their camp. Every year there is a line up of coaches that pay for camp list, bios, metrics and evaluations. So, even more coaches than the ones in the stands will have exposure to campers information.
How long would you have between camps? I don't think your 2017 would be worn out from HF - day 2 of HF consists of 2 games and some group talks (college coaches speaking to the group). I'm sure there are some players who get worked up from showcases and mentally need a break but physically it did not appear to be too taxing for the players that I saw at HF. My 2016 pitched both days at HF (that's how they work it) so I would have not wanted him to go from that to another showcase but position players seemed fine. My 2016 only played the infield and batted one game on day 1 and I think he had 3 at bats. So on day two you're talking about 6 at bats and probably about 3/4s of the time in the field for 2 games.
Yes, as MK dad says, it would be unwise to roll straight from HF Sac to Stanford if your son pitches. HF does their defensive work/timing/batting cages the first half of the first day and then plays 2 games each day. Pitchers are expected to pitch BOTH days, with the knowledge that the second day is tough as their arms can be tired. For Stanford, pitchers basically for the most part go 5 innings of one game.
However, there is also the consideration that there is a LOT of overlap between the two. Stanford coaches run the gamut from JUCO to big D1 to high academic both D1 and D3. But there is humungous overlap -- the Ivies at HF stay for Stanford, even if they are not in the above list as Stanford coaches for the 400 boys, they were there in the stands (ie Princeton for example was there last summer).
It isn't just that mine might be tired after HF of being "on" -- it would also be the need to do both given the overlap in coaching.
Thanks for all the helpful info, everyone...,lots to think about as we tinker with our summer plans.
Twoboys posted:Yes, as MK dad says, it would be unwise to roll straight from HF Sac to Stanford if your son pitches. HF does their defensive work/timing/batting cages the first half of the first day and then plays 2 games each day. Pitchers are expected to pitch BOTH days, with the knowledge that the second day is tough as their arms can be tired. For Stanford, pitchers basically for the most part go 5 innings of one game.
However, there is also the consideration that there is a LOT of overlap between the two. Stanford coaches run the gamut from JUCO to big D1 to high academic both D1 and D3. But there is humungous overlap -- the Ivies at HF stay for Stanford, even if they are not in the above list as Stanford coaches for the 400 boys, they were there in the stands (ie Princeton for example was there last summer).
It isn't just that mine might be tired after HF of being "on" -- it would also be the need to do both given the overlap in coaching.
They pitch both days? Is it one inning per day? Or more than that?
sunwalkingvalley posted:A lot of the same schools will be at both events, If he does both he may want to do the first HF session. We(2017) have chosen to do only the Stanford camp. And later in the season we will do HF if needed. A side note is that we have ties to the camp and we are biased and committed to Stanford camp. Stanford 1 includes food and lodging and is longer. He will get more individual workouts and instruction at Stanford, but it sounds like there is more coach interaction at HF. Here is a list of coaches from last year.
COACHES SCHOOL
BRANDON STOVER ABILENE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY
BRIAN HAMM AMHERST
ANTHONY DeCICCO ARMY
ED KAHOVEC BARD
"DOC" BEEMAN BENEDICTINE
GRANT ACHILLES BROWN
RYAN WOOD BUCKNELL
CHRIS CLEARY BUTLER
ANTHONY FERRO BUTTE JC
MIKE PENA BUTTE JC
MATTHEW MARK CAL TECH
AARON RUSHING CARLETON
PATRICK JOLLEY CENTENARY
SCOTT LAVERTY CHAPMAN
DAMON LESSLER CHICO STATE
DAN TISCHLER COLUMBIA
SCOTT MARSH CORNELL
BOB WHALEN DARTMOUTH
ROB DiTOMA FORDHAM
NATE MULBERG FRANKLIN AND MARSHALL
PETE WILK GEORGETOWN
BEN COOPRIDER GRINNELL COLLEGE
BILL DECKER HARVARD
NEIL GROAT HENDRIX
ERIC THEISEN HILLSDALE COLLEGE
RON RAKOWSKI HOLY CROSS
RICHIE PRICE KANSAS
TANNER BIAGINI LAFAYETTE COLLEGE
MATT DAILY LEWIS AND CLARK
TODD CARROLL MIT
KAINOA CORREA NORTHERN COLORADO
NATE RASMUSSEN PACIFIC UNIVERSITY
BUCK TAYLOR PALOMAR
MARK ROYER PENN
JAKE AYERS POMONA
NATHAN TROSKY PRO SCOUT
CRAIG DRIVER PUGET SOUND
CHRIS TERRY REGIS
MATT TYNER RICHMOND
NICK ENRIQUEZ SAN JOSE STATE
JAKE VALENTINE SANTA CLARA
MIKE HAM ST JOHN FISHER
BROCK UNGRICHT STANFORD
JON KARCICH STANFORD
RUSTY FILTER STANFORD
KRISTAPS ALDINS STEVENS
JIMMY GULDEN SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY
JIM BRAY TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY
TIM SCANNELL TRINITY UNIVERSITY
JASON TOWER TUFTS
MATT VAUGHN UC DAVIS
JOHN FITZGERALD UNIV OF CHICAGO
JOE REINA UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER
MIKE MC CORMICK UOP
MATT HOBBS WAKE FROEST
PAT PINKMAN WASHINGTON UNIVERISTY IN ST LOUIS
ROBERT RUIZ WESTMONT
MATT HUSTED WHEATONBack to your initial question, first day you show up, register, get replica mesh Stanford Jersey and hat, go to football field and do some preliminary metric testing. Vertical, 60, medicine ball toss, shuttle, etc. Then you get cage BP and a round of pro style BP. After that, break into your group, meet your team coach and go to your scheduled activity. Activities are BP cages, Defense, pro BP, speed and agility training and testing. 1 activity on the first day, then you get a lecture/presentaion from a sports motivational speaker and the day is done. Kids get the evening to hang out and meet each other.
Hi Sunwalkingvalley, do you have a list of coaches for the Stanford Future Stars camp?
Any thought about 2008 player -- should he attend futures camp or all star camp? Or HF?
I dont have a list for Future Stars, a lot of the same coaches were there, but there were definitely less coaches in the stands for Future Stars. 2017 did both All Star 1 and Future Stars last year back to back. Future Stars, half the kids half the coaches,,,, good and bad. Much more physically mature kids at All Star 1, if a 2018 can get top 25 percent in metrics and size, then I would probably recommend All Star( All Star 2 had half the amount of kids as All Star 1). If 2018 stands out in class more than against upper classmen then I would say Future Stars. 2017 seemed to have gotten more interest from All Star 1 than Future Stars(he actually hits much better with higher level pitching than mid-range). A 2018, I would probably recommend HF, but remember that most of those schools are slower in their recruiting calendar due to grades being the big issue. HF they would probably stand out the most and start contact and relationships at that point.
2019Dad posted:They pitch both days? Is it one inning per day? Or more than that?
Yes, POs have the option to pitch both days but they don't have too. The games start the afternoon of day 1. Pitchers pitch 2 innings - 5 batters each inning. If you play the early game on day one, you play the early game on day 2. There is a pitching coordinator and you check in with him as you enter Baseball Heaven (for the Long Island events) and let him know how your arm is feeling and if you can pitch on day 2, and if you can, how many innings. They scramble a bit to fill the innings on day 2. I think my 2016 was scheduled to pitch third in his day 2 game but was moved up because the pitcher scheduled to pitch second wasn't there.
They say many times that the coaches expect the velocity of the pitchers to be lower on day 2 and for the players not to worry about it. 2016 pitched both days and his day 2 velocity was 2mph lower the second day and he wasn't bad but was not as sharp.
MKbaseballdad posted:2019Dad posted:They pitch both days? Is it one inning per day? Or more than that?
Yes, POs have the option to pitch both days but they don't have too. The games start the afternoon of day 1. Pitchers pitch 2 innings - 5 batters each inning. If you play the early game on day one, you play the early game on day 2. There is a pitching coordinator and you check in with him as you enter Baseball Heaven (for the Long Island events) and let him know how your arm is feeling and if you can pitch on day 2, and if you can, how many innings. They scramble a bit to fill the innings on day 2. I think my 2016 was scheduled to pitch third in his day 2 game but was moved up because the pitcher scheduled to pitch second wasn't there.
They say many times that the coaches expect the velocity of the pitchers to be lower on day 2 and for the players not to worry about it. 2016 pitched both days and his day 2 velocity was 2mph lower the second day and he wasn't bad but was not as sharp.
Got it, thanks.
Bogeyorpar posted:sunwalkingvalley posted:A lot of the same schools will be at both events, If he does both he may want to do the first HF session. We(2017) have chosen to do only the Stanford camp. And later in the season we will do HF if needed. A side note is that we have ties to the camp and we are biased and committed to Stanford camp. Stanford 1 includes food and lodging and is longer. He will get more individual workouts and instruction at Stanford, but it sounds like there is more coach interaction at HF. Here is a list of coaches from last year.
COACHES SCHOOL
BRANDON STOVER ABILENE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY
BRIAN HAMM AMHERST
ANTHONY DeCICCO ARMY
ED KAHOVEC BARD
"DOC" BEEMAN BENEDICTINE
GRANT ACHILLES BROWN
RYAN WOOD BUCKNELL
CHRIS CLEARY BUTLER
ANTHONY FERRO BUTTE JC
MIKE PENA BUTTE JC
MATTHEW MARK CAL TECH
AARON RUSHING CARLETON
PATRICK JOLLEY CENTENARY
SCOTT LAVERTY CHAPMAN
DAMON LESSLER CHICO STATE
DAN TISCHLER COLUMBIA
SCOTT MARSH CORNELL
BOB WHALEN DARTMOUTH
ROB DiTOMA FORDHAM
NATE MULBERG FRANKLIN AND MARSHALL
PETE WILK GEORGETOWN
BEN COOPRIDER GRINNELL COLLEGE
BILL DECKER HARVARD
NEIL GROAT HENDRIX
ERIC THEISEN HILLSDALE COLLEGE
RON RAKOWSKI HOLY CROSS
RICHIE PRICE KANSAS
TANNER BIAGINI LAFAYETTE COLLEGE
MATT DAILY LEWIS AND CLARK
TODD CARROLL MIT
KAINOA CORREA NORTHERN COLORADO
NATE RASMUSSEN PACIFIC UNIVERSITY
BUCK TAYLOR PALOMAR
MARK ROYER PENN
JAKE AYERS POMONA
NATHAN TROSKY PRO SCOUT
CRAIG DRIVER PUGET SOUND
CHRIS TERRY REGIS
MATT TYNER RICHMOND
NICK ENRIQUEZ SAN JOSE STATE
JAKE VALENTINE SANTA CLARA
MIKE HAM ST JOHN FISHER
BROCK UNGRICHT STANFORD
JON KARCICH STANFORD
RUSTY FILTER STANFORD
KRISTAPS ALDINS STEVENS
JIMMY GULDEN SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY
JIM BRAY TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY
TIM SCANNELL TRINITY UNIVERSITY
JASON TOWER TUFTS
MATT VAUGHN UC DAVIS
JOHN FITZGERALD UNIV OF CHICAGO
JOE REINA UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER
MIKE MC CORMICK UOP
MATT HOBBS WAKE FROEST
PAT PINKMAN WASHINGTON UNIVERISTY IN ST LOUIS
ROBERT RUIZ WESTMONT
MATT HUSTED WHEATONBack to your initial question, first day you show up, register, get replica mesh Stanford Jersey and hat, go to football field and do some preliminary metric testing. Vertical, 60, medicine ball toss, shuttle, etc. Then you get cage BP and a round of pro style BP. After that, break into your group, meet your team coach and go to your scheduled activity. Activities are BP cages, Defense, pro BP, speed and agility training and testing. 1 activity on the first day, then you get a lecture/presentaion from a sports motivational speaker and the day is done. Kids get the evening to hang out and meet each other.
Hi Sunwalkingvalley, do you have a list of coaches for the Stanford Future Stars camp?
Any thought about 2008 player -- should he attend futures camp or all star camp? Or HF?
2015 Future Stars Camp Coaches:
SCHOOL
ABILENE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY
ARMY
BROWN
BUCKNELL
CHICO STATE
COLUMBIA
CORNELL
DARTMOUTH
EASTERN MICHIGAN
FRANKLIN & MARSHALL
GEORGETOWN
GRINNELL COLLEGE
HARVARD
HOLY CROSS
KANSAS
LEWIS AND CLARK
BUTLER
MISSOURI
NAVAL ACADEMY
PACIFIC UNIVERSITY
PENN
PENN STATE
POMONA
PUGET SOUND
SANTA CLARA
STANFORD STAFF
TRINITY UNIVERSITY
UC DAVIS
UC RIVERSIDE
UNIVERISTY OF TEXAS AT DALLAS
UOP
USF
WAKE FOREST
WASHINGTON COLLEGE
WESTMONT
As far as which camp a 2018 should attend, my 2017 went to Future Stars in 2015 and it led to several contacts. He did a lot of homework ahead of time letting coaches (especially the DIV 1 guys) that he would be there and it's paid off in the sense that he's still dialoguing with many of them. I think the Future stars is best for rising juniors, at least in my son's case. HF is great, too, but I think maybe more useful BETWEEN Future Stars and All Star Camp 1 (either Jupiter or Sacramento) if you're going to do the Stanford events. Several folks here have mentioned that HF is the best option if you can only do one. Good range of Div 3's (not just super academic) and the most academic Div 1 schools. Good luck!!
I went to sign up for All-Star Camp 1 few minutes ago and all the MIF's spots were already waitlisted! Damn!! Any idea when they opened up the registration?
Now 2018 will have bow out of his club team tourney conflict that same weekend, oh boy... He's their primary SS #2-3 hitter as well.
Bummer...
It opens January 1, and SS was filled quickly. Put him on waitlist, as there is always some shifting around (our friend got off MIF waitlist last summer). I'm sort of surprised that there are other positions still available!
I waitlisted him, but signing up for All Star II also
Wow -- thanks for posting this Gov. I had no idea slots filled up so quickly.
Anyone has the All Star II camp coach list?
Gov, if you wait list for 1 and sign up for 2, if 1 becomes available, can you cancel 2 without the $200 penalty?
And if you waitlist for a camp and it becomes available, are you obligated to register and pay? (In which case you may have to attend both 1 and 2, or at least pay for both?)
Bogey,
My understanding is you cancel wout penalty.
Curious about coach list as well.
BTW, the coaches list they do provide is not all conclusive. There are other schools in attendance that are at the games and watching.
