Does anyone know if a 2008 graduate that is entering college in the fall is elligible to play in this league during the summer before he enters college?
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My son, a 2003 HS graduate, played for Bradenton in summer of 2003, before enrolling at Univ of Maryland and playing in the ACC (beginning in Sept 2003).
However, IMHO, I believe playing in one of the highest D1 Conferences provided more opportunities, greater exposure and opened more doors than those choosing smaller colleges, D2/D3/JUCO programs, or mid-level baseball conferences.
However, IMHO, I believe playing in one of the highest D1 Conferences provided more opportunities, greater exposure and opened more doors than those choosing smaller colleges, D2/D3/JUCO programs, or mid-level baseball conferences.
During the Summer, before my guy enters college for the first time is the period of time that I am refrencing.
The question is, is he allowed to play in this league since he has yet to set foot in college, and would this be a better choice than playing on a top tier 18U team.
Thanks!
The question is, is he allowed to play in this league since he has yet to set foot in college, and would this be a better choice than playing on a top tier 18U team.
Thanks!
quote:Originally posted by floridafan:
During the Summer, before my guy enters college for the first time is the period of time that I am refrencing.
The question is, is he allowed to play in this league since he has yet to set foot in college, and would this be a better choice than playing on a top tier 18U team.
Thanks!
Short Answer: I believe so.
Longer Answer: Asked and answered. (What confuses you?)
If anyone else has interest, you must have completed your freshman year of college baseball or been red shirted to play in the colligiate league.
I'm confused. I've heard of some coaches encouraging their incoming freshman to attend. And not for the 8 weeks that I see advertised, but partial, such as 3 or 4 weeks. Is this type of slicing, buying as many weeks as you want, how this thing works?
I am only refering to the Florida Colligiate League. But, I have exchanged e-mails with the director of the program here in Florida. The result of that was I was told that a player needed to have completed his Freshman year to participate. They have a new and seperate developmental league for incoming Freshman, which may still be in the development stage itself as far as coaching and competition.
Great, that clears it up.
The developmental league is a great way to get ready for college baseball, FCSL has done a really good job with it!
Players have to make the teams or being recomended by a coach or scout.
They face good competition, freshman college players whom got red shirted can also play at this league, they play about 30 games in about 8 weeks, against elite teams and Fla. Juco's. IMO it's a great way to get your rep's and play decent competition!
Have a nice day!
Players have to make the teams or being recomended by a coach or scout.
They face good competition, freshman college players whom got red shirted can also play at this league, they play about 30 games in about 8 weeks, against elite teams and Fla. Juco's. IMO it's a great way to get your rep's and play decent competition!
Have a nice day!
The developmental league teams were absolutely horrible last season. The teams were coached by parents who were there to get their kids some at bats. Playing in the Developmental league is a waste of time. If you cannot get on a top travel team like the Central Florida Renegades or Florida Legends, etc. I'd probably just hit every day - you'll get more out of that than facing 74 mph pitching in the D-League.
Bob, please tell us how you really feel.
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Amen!
Bear,
The D-league teams are just a fund-raiser for the league. Half of the time the umpires didn't show up and the coaches had to umpire. The D-League was just a joke. The few good players in the league got nothing out of playing there.
Isn't this forum to get the information out? A question was asked and I answered it. I felt that warning parents of the low status of the league would benefit websters.
The D-league teams are just a fund-raiser for the league. Half of the time the umpires didn't show up and the coaches had to umpire. The D-League was just a joke. The few good players in the league got nothing out of playing there.
Isn't this forum to get the information out? A question was asked and I answered it. I felt that warning parents of the low status of the league would benefit websters.
I have just registered for this website, having received several emails that our league, the Florida Collegiate Summer League, is mentioned in several conversations.
The FCSL is the only college summer league in Florida that Major League Baseball recognizes and partially funds. We are a 501c3 non-profit league, operating primarily for the good of the players, and secondarily for the good of the community.
Our six FCSL teams for 2008 are all pretty much filled up. Players do not pay to play on these teams. The contracts for play on our teams are signed by the players and their college athletic directors or coaches.
All players in FCSL must have played one year of college baseball, and still have at least one year of NCAA college eligibility remaining.
Last summer, we started a Developmental League of 2 teams. These were mainly players who were entering their freshman year of college. We received very positive feedback from parents and players on their experience in the DLeague.
This summer, 2008, we have modified the DLeague into the Collegiate Development League, of 4 teams. The coaches are not parents of players in the CDL. The CDL is a chance to play against college level competition, to learn what it takes to succeed at the next level. Players will work with college strength and conditioning coaches, and hear about the college baseball environment from NCAA compliance officers, college academic advisors, and local college coaches. The CDL teams play 20 games through June and July in Central Florida, against each other and several exhibition games against our FCSL teams.
For more information on our league, please visit our website (currently being updated), www.floridaleague.com to reflect the 6 FCSL teams for 2008 - Sanford, Orlando, Winter Park, Leesburg, Clermont and Belleview.
The FCSL is the only college summer league in Florida that Major League Baseball recognizes and partially funds. We are a 501c3 non-profit league, operating primarily for the good of the players, and secondarily for the good of the community.
Our six FCSL teams for 2008 are all pretty much filled up. Players do not pay to play on these teams. The contracts for play on our teams are signed by the players and their college athletic directors or coaches.
All players in FCSL must have played one year of college baseball, and still have at least one year of NCAA college eligibility remaining.
Last summer, we started a Developmental League of 2 teams. These were mainly players who were entering their freshman year of college. We received very positive feedback from parents and players on their experience in the DLeague.
This summer, 2008, we have modified the DLeague into the Collegiate Development League, of 4 teams. The coaches are not parents of players in the CDL. The CDL is a chance to play against college level competition, to learn what it takes to succeed at the next level. Players will work with college strength and conditioning coaches, and hear about the college baseball environment from NCAA compliance officers, college academic advisors, and local college coaches. The CDL teams play 20 games through June and July in Central Florida, against each other and several exhibition games against our FCSL teams.
For more information on our league, please visit our website (currently being updated), www.floridaleague.com to reflect the 6 FCSL teams for 2008 - Sanford, Orlando, Winter Park, Leesburg, Clermont and Belleview.
Sara,
My comments were not directed toward the FCSL. That league is a recognized college summer league by MLB. I was thrilled that the Leesburg Lightning coached by one of my former players, who was coaching some of my former players won the league title last year.
However, the D-League was another situation. The players there pay $600 (I could be off a little bit) and seemingly are the players that could not make the better teams in the area.
Last year, the coaches of the D-League teams were parents. The games that my team played against the D-League teams were not competitive. The D-League teams were more like recreational ball teams, which is not bad, but it is not how you are advertising the teams. Last year, we played a game against the D-League teams and I umpired because umpires were not assigned to the game. It was not a big deal other than umpires should have been assigned by the league for one of its teams playing a game.
The D-League teams were not competitive. I want to make it clear that the regular teams were good teams. My point is that if a player needs to get ready to play college baseball in the fall than they need to play a lot better competition than is in the D-League.
Thanks,
Bob Pincus
Go Leesburg Lightning!
My comments were not directed toward the FCSL. That league is a recognized college summer league by MLB. I was thrilled that the Leesburg Lightning coached by one of my former players, who was coaching some of my former players won the league title last year.
However, the D-League was another situation. The players there pay $600 (I could be off a little bit) and seemingly are the players that could not make the better teams in the area.
Last year, the coaches of the D-League teams were parents. The games that my team played against the D-League teams were not competitive. The D-League teams were more like recreational ball teams, which is not bad, but it is not how you are advertising the teams. Last year, we played a game against the D-League teams and I umpired because umpires were not assigned to the game. It was not a big deal other than umpires should have been assigned by the league for one of its teams playing a game.
The D-League teams were not competitive. I want to make it clear that the regular teams were good teams. My point is that if a player needs to get ready to play college baseball in the fall than they need to play a lot better competition than is in the D-League.
Thanks,
Bob Pincus
Go Leesburg Lightning!
quote:However, the D-League was another situation. The players there pay $600 (I could be off a little bit) and seemingly are the players that could not make the better teams in the area.
quote:My point is that if a player needs to get ready to play college baseball in the fall than they need to play a lot better competition than is in the D-League.
You don't want the players but they need to play somewhere other than the D- League? If the players can't make your team, as you imply, why is it a problem to play somewhere else? No comprende'.
Dad04,
They actually had a few players that could have played for the better teams, but were promised the same competition level with the D-League. Basically, they were misinformed by the league. That has been my point with this post - to inform.
For the players that can't make teams like the top teams the D-League teams may be all right if you looking to play recreation level baseball. But if you are looking to play at recreation level why not play Big league Little League baseball and save money.
I hope that explains my point better.
quote:You don't want the players but they need to play somewhere other than the D- League? If the players can't make your team, as you imply, why is it a problem to play somewhere else? No comprende'.
They actually had a few players that could have played for the better teams, but were promised the same competition level with the D-League. Basically, they were misinformed by the league. That has been my point with this post - to inform.
For the players that can't make teams like the top teams the D-League teams may be all right if you looking to play recreation level baseball. But if you are looking to play at recreation level why not play Big league Little League baseball and save money.
I hope that explains my point better.
Doesn't talent naturally seek it's own level anyway? I remember seeing Devon Anderson's name on an Ocoee Big League LLB banner, so there are exceptions of kids playing with their friends, up and down. Teams generally get most of the players they are supposed to get. It seems unneccessarily tacky to trash an entire league to get a couple of extra players.
Dad04,
I'm not sure why you are beating a dead horse. Your son played for the college league - not the D-League. I hope you are not taking offense because not is meant at you.
My problem is that the league is advertised falsely as a league that prepares players for college; yet it is run by parents and is recreation ball.
I'm not sure why you are beating a dead horse. Your son played for the college league - not the D-League. I hope you are not taking offense because not is meant at you.
My problem is that the league is advertised falsely as a league that prepares players for college; yet it is run by parents and is recreation ball.
Bob,
you forgot to mention the Florida Bombers as a top team last time i checked they have the most accomplishments in the state of Florida
you forgot to mention the Florida Bombers as a top team last time i checked they have the most accomplishments in the state of Florida
Bob,
In several of your replies to this post, you mentioned that one of your criticisms of the FCSL D League is that the teams are coached by parents. Does this imply that the Central Florida Renegades don't have parents on the coaching staff hitting infield, throwing batting practice, coaching third and first base, etc?
I am certain you have mis-categorized many very qualified parents of players who may be very capable coaches.
Give the FCSL D League a chance to develop just like the parent league has. Central Florida continues to struggle with not having enough opportunities for capable players to participate in college developmental programs. The Central Florida Renegades and the Orlando Scorpions can't meet the needs of all the qualified and capable players. Allow the others to reach a level so that they can go on the field and compete with you, if you don't think they can now. Isn't that what you really want? Perhaps not; therefore, maybe you should change your objective.
In several of your replies to this post, you mentioned that one of your criticisms of the FCSL D League is that the teams are coached by parents. Does this imply that the Central Florida Renegades don't have parents on the coaching staff hitting infield, throwing batting practice, coaching third and first base, etc?
I am certain you have mis-categorized many very qualified parents of players who may be very capable coaches.
Give the FCSL D League a chance to develop just like the parent league has. Central Florida continues to struggle with not having enough opportunities for capable players to participate in college developmental programs. The Central Florida Renegades and the Orlando Scorpions can't meet the needs of all the qualified and capable players. Allow the others to reach a level so that they can go on the field and compete with you, if you don't think they can now. Isn't that what you really want? Perhaps not; therefore, maybe you should change your objective.
Foulpole,
I'm going to try and answer your points.
The Central Florida Renegades do not presently have any coaches that are parents. In the past we did and for the most part it has not worked out well. The four lone positive exceptions were Roger Holt (former New York Yankee), Richard Billings (son is LSCC coach), Bob King (Winter Park HS coach), and Kerry Whetro (South Lake HS coach). It doesn't work out because the parents are more concerned with their children's playing time than the program or the other players.
I believe not having parents coach is the best way to handle a top level program. Parents that are coaching generally have an agenda. By the way, I'm not faulting those parents for having an agenda because it is clearly their right to do so. In fact, I'd fault them if they did not have an agenda to help their child.
The more qualified team there are in the Orlando area the better it is for teams like the Central Florida Renegades and Orlando Scorpions. There are other top teams in this area like the Central Florida Black Racers, Chet Lemon Juice, Central Florida Knights, etc. The D-league was even invited to participate in events with those teams and declined because they wanted to stay in-house. Once again for the D-League to get better they have to make some serious adjustments in coaching and scheduling and organization. I do wish the league well, but until they do get better they must understand they fall below the travel ball teams previously mentioned and should advertise that way. Finally, for an in-house recreation league their fee of $500 per player is expensive. The Renegades cost more by we make several out-of-state trips and cover players hotels and transportation.
If you check out the Renegades schedule there is no team in the state that plays as tough a schedule. Our site is www.centralfloridarenegades.com. In fact we are playing an exhibition game against the new Belleview team before their season starts and will contact the Leesburg squad as well to see if we can play them before their season opener as they will be great competition for us.
God Bless,
Bob Pincus
I'm going to try and answer your points.
quote:In several of your replies to this post, you mentioned that one of your criticisms of the FCSL D League is that the teams are coached by parents. Does this imply that the Central Florida Renegades don't have parents on the coaching staff hitting infield, throwing batting practice, coaching third and first base, etc?
I am certain you have mis-categorized many very qualified parents of players who may be very capable coaches.
Give the FCSL D League a chance to develop just like the parent league has. Central Florida continues to struggle with not having enough opportunities for capable players to participate in college developmental programs. The Central Florida Renegades and the Orlando Scorpions can't meet the needs of all the qualified and capable players. Allow the others to reach a level so that they can go on the field and compete with you, if you don't think they can now. Isn't that what you really want? Perhaps not; therefore, maybe you should change your objective.
The Central Florida Renegades do not presently have any coaches that are parents. In the past we did and for the most part it has not worked out well. The four lone positive exceptions were Roger Holt (former New York Yankee), Richard Billings (son is LSCC coach), Bob King (Winter Park HS coach), and Kerry Whetro (South Lake HS coach). It doesn't work out because the parents are more concerned with their children's playing time than the program or the other players.
I believe not having parents coach is the best way to handle a top level program. Parents that are coaching generally have an agenda. By the way, I'm not faulting those parents for having an agenda because it is clearly their right to do so. In fact, I'd fault them if they did not have an agenda to help their child.
The more qualified team there are in the Orlando area the better it is for teams like the Central Florida Renegades and Orlando Scorpions. There are other top teams in this area like the Central Florida Black Racers, Chet Lemon Juice, Central Florida Knights, etc. The D-league was even invited to participate in events with those teams and declined because they wanted to stay in-house. Once again for the D-League to get better they have to make some serious adjustments in coaching and scheduling and organization. I do wish the league well, but until they do get better they must understand they fall below the travel ball teams previously mentioned and should advertise that way. Finally, for an in-house recreation league their fee of $500 per player is expensive. The Renegades cost more by we make several out-of-state trips and cover players hotels and transportation.
If you check out the Renegades schedule there is no team in the state that plays as tough a schedule. Our site is www.centralfloridarenegades.com. In fact we are playing an exhibition game against the new Belleview team before their season starts and will contact the Leesburg squad as well to see if we can play them before their season opener as they will be great competition for us.
God Bless,
Bob Pincus
quote:The four lone positive exceptions were Roger Holt (former New York Yankee), Richard Billings (son is LSCC coach), Bob King (Winter Park HS coach), and Kerry Whetro (South Lake HS coach).
All fine coaches. It is surprising not to see Renegade pioneer Tom Klosterman on your list.
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The four lone positive exceptions were Roger Holt (former New York Yankee), Richard Billings (son is LSCC coach), Bob King (Winter Park HS coach), and Kerry Whetro (South Lake HS coach).
All fine coaches. It is surprising not to see Renegade pioneer Tom Klosterman on your list.
Dad04,
You are 100 percent correct that Tom Klosterman should have been on the list. I consider Tom more of an administrator, but he did an outstanding job as a coach for us back in the day. To this day he is a close friend and I'm upset I did not include him on the original list.
Thanks for your input.
Bob