Gaining pitch velocity

Move as explosively as you can leading with your front hip, try to reach 100%+ stride length (of your height)

Eliminate any hesitation, such as stopping at the balance point

Okay...........

One out of three ain't bad.

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Eliminate any hesitation, such as stopping at the balance point

Way back in the days of YORE, there was a medicine man who had elixers that could cure everything. These so called "Medicine Men" had absolutely NO MEDICAL SCHOOLING or qualified experience whatsoever....and yes they sometimes killed innocent folks with their elixers.
If I were to give "FREE ADVICE" I would recommend you go to someone that doesn't give "FREE" advice and go to a qualified physiologist or exercise science person who will give you two things: Sound advice and a Bill. Be careful though, there are generic practicioners and Case Specific practicioners.....personally i don't like generic.
Just remember,like a lawyer, the more qualified the trainer is, the more he/she is going to cost...but in the long run I believe they are worth every penny you pay them and then some. That has been my experience.

I love you too

The best way to gain arm strength this off-season is to throw more. Get on a solid long-toss program. I know XFactor totally disagrees with this, but myself and the majority of HSBBW members and many pros believe long-toss is critical.

My son was cut off a local travel team at age 12 and began year-round long-tossing ever since. Even in the winter, he throws 5-6x a week, long-tossing against the racquetball court wall of my health club. Now 17, he has verbally committed to pitch Division I baseball. He has never had an arm problem.

Do a google search of Jaeger Sports and you'll find the program I think is great.

Besides long-toss, mechanical training is critical. There is only so much velocity you are going to get out of your arm if you have flaws in your delivery. Besides, if you have flaws, you could hurt yourself. Get a qualified pitching instructor, now!

Finally, work on your strength, especially your core strength. Run 3-4x week, lift 3x week, do core 5x week, and be sure to add a band program to keep your arm healthy. When you lift, avoid any bench presses, lat pulldowns, etc., but emphasize squats, etc. that builds leg strength.

Also, find a local community college or health club that might be offering class in plyometric training. Great for the explosive actions you need for pitching.

Throw in the offseason, but DO NOT do bull pens or pitch between at October and January. Your arm needs to recouperate at this time.

Eat right. No pop, no junk food. You are somewhat light for your height so eat some meat for protein, reduce carbs at night (pasta, potatoes, etc) and like mama said, eat your veggies. Drink milk or eat cheese in moderation. If you are old enough, you may consider a Whey Protein supplement combined with Creatine after training.

Good luck, and let us know how you progress.

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If you are old enough, you may consider a Whey Protein supplement combined with Creatine after training.

Creatine

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Creatine

...based on personal experience?

Get a buddy and play catch every day for an hour or more---just have fun---PLAY CATCH !!!!

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Originally posted by deemax:

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Creatine

...based on personal experience?

I can backup that statement and say yes.

I don't want the thread to turn into a Creatine war, but (in my case) after an initial weight gain (of mostly water) and minor spike in strength (very minor and probably mostly due to the muscles being able to "leverage" the weight better)....I didn't see any real benefit of using this supplement.

It's a supplement....not the magic pill so many want it to be, and for me certainly not worth the extra money.

Most people would be better off sticking to basics:

Eat
Lift
Sleep
repeat......

Once you can say you are eating the best diet you can possibly manage. Lifting/training as hard as you possibly can, and getting the proper rest you need....all on A CONSISTANT BASIS.....then you can start looking into supplements that may give you a 2% edge (just a guess on that number).



Back to your regularly scheduled velocity thread.

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...based on personal experience?

Yes.
And I don't want a war either....but that's my final statement Regis

No need for protein supplements. Just eat plenty of the foods which are good sources of protein.

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Originally posted by Bum:

Do a google search of Jaeger Sports and you'll find the program I think is great.

Get a qualified pitching instructor, now!

Also, find a local community college or health club that might be offering class in plyometric training. Great for the explosive actions you need for pitching.

Good luck, and let us know how you progress.

Ditto on the above.

you need to work too, runing, sprints,crunchesand so on. 75 percent of your velocity comes from your legs

No one runs more works harder than my son. He gained no weight untill his soph year in college and he started a controlled program using Creatine. He gained 20+ lbs in 1 year. If it was water it would be long gone in the Charleston SC heat.

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Originally posted by shp pirates11:
75 percent of your velocity comes from your legs

I'm skeptical about this number.

I could buy it that 75 percent comes from the lower body, including the lower torso, but not from just the legs.

Pain is your opinion based on your ongoing research ?

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Originally posted by shp pirates11:
you need to work too, runing, sprints,crunchesand so on. 75 percent of your velocity comes from your legs

I'm curious as to where this info comes from.

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Originally posted by shp pirates11:
you need to work too, runing, sprints,crunchesand so on. 75 percent of your velocity comes from your legs

More like 48% and thats from the entire body up to the shoulder.

I have also read that 78% comes from the waist up. So that would put legs at 22%.

Can I join into the non-war for creatine?

It works but just not the way you guys think it will. It doesn't make you stronger. It does allow you to workout harder for longer though. It is strickly an ATP producer and speeds up anerobic energy replacement. This will help you build more muscle due to you being able to increase intensity of workouts but it is not truly building muscle for you like steroids do. It would have no benefit in aerobic performance which is endurance activies like distace running. Sprinting would benefit though.

thanks bum,

i got a pitching coach and im going to try to long toss every other day and lift 5X a week like you said

thanks a lot buddy

75% of power comes from your legs? That may be the most B.S that I have ever heard. You generate power from your legs, but shoulder rotation, wrist snap, release point and other mechanical things from your UPPER BODY help generate a good amount of power

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Originally posted by shppirate09:
75% of power comes from your legs? That may be the most B.S that I have ever heard. You generate power from your legs, but shoulder rotation, wrist snap, release point and other mechanical things from your UPPER BODY help generate a good amount of power

You're ignoring the muscles of the core. IOW, the muscles that rotate the torso.

painguy


I will ask once again---back up all your assertations with some backgorund not the normal "I think" stuff you spew on a daily basis


You are becoming like the guy who thinks he can marry Pam Anderson but only in his dreams---and he is happen in his dream world because he actually believes it

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Originally posted by TRhit:
painguy


I will ask once again---back up all your assertations with some backgorund not the normal "I think" stuff you spew on a daily basis


You are becoming like the guy who thinks he can marry Pam Anderson but only in his dreams---and he is happen in his dream world because he actually believes it

I am no longer attracted to Pamela Anderson.

Not.

She will be broken hearted to hear that.

painguy

Why is guys like you refuse to discuss your baseball background whatever it may be?

What makes you such a freaking authority, at least in your mind?

You give out info with no basis other than "You think"

painguy = Borat

Now there's a shocking revelation!

TR,
Painguy has put out his baseball background. He got cut from his rec team as a kid. He says it was due to an injury.

He's coached youth ball for a couple years.

That's his vast baseball experience in a nutshell. OK, so it didn't fill the nutshell, so what?

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Originally posted by CADad:
TR,
Painguy has put out his baseball background. He got cut from his rec team as a kid. He says it was due to an injury.

He's coached youth ball for a couple years.

That's his vast baseball experience in a nutshell. OK, so it didn't fill the nutshell, so what?

No, this is me in a nutshell...

Help! Help! I'm in a nutshell. Somebody let me out!

TRhit-

What is it going to take for you to let it alone? I'm not advocating what Chris does/says either, but at least out of all of the criticism, he maintains a civil tongue. You almost sound like…..er, uh…….my most favorite individual in the world of pitching instruction @ p-dot-com

Capn

It really gets tiring when guys with no "KNOWLEDGE" give advice---this kid wants to throw with more velocity---he is 5-9 and 149 pounds-- what about this---let him work on his mechanics and let his young body develop naturally---there are no "quick fixes" even if people want to think so---nature has to do its thing

That makes more sense than "letting it go" doesn't it


Keep in mind folks that the internet is not the cure-all even if people want to believe that everything they read is gospel

The wrist?! For velocity? Are you insane?

Maybe for control, but velocity? Sure there are things you can do to hamper velocity.. but to increase? With the wrist?

I of course will back this up with some scientific stuff. Prepared to be amazed. Drool is appreciated.

But not necessary.

5.28: "Of particular note is the action of the lower arm, wrist, and fingers. It appears that the last contact with the ball before release involves these three body parts acting together to produce pitching control and a particular application of force to the ball. Pappas, Morgan, Schulz, and Diana, (1995) showed that wrist flexion occurs only slightly and early in the acceleration phase of these three combined segments. ****, Ford, Ford, and Shin, (1995) further diminish the role of wrist flexion suggesting the wrist is used primarily for developing ball control. It is the position of the wrist that directs the throwing velocity but do impart the final accumulated momentum to the ball (Hore, Watts, & Martin, 1996). This strongly supports the contention that the role of the lower arm and hand in pitching is largely one of controlling the baseball rather than contributing to the development of release velocity. Maximum movement veocity is achieved just as the lower segment starts.

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Originally posted by XFactor:
The wrist?! For velocity? Are you insane?

Maybe for control, but velocity? Sure there are things you can do to hamper velocity.. but to increase? With the wrist?

I of course will back this up with some scientific stuff. Prepared to be amazed. Drool is appreciated.

But not necessary.

5.28: "Of particular note is the action of the lower arm, wrist, and fingers. It appears that the last contact with the ball before release involves these three body parts acting together to produce pitching control and a particular application of force to the ball. Pappas, Morgan, Schulz, and Diana, (1995) showed that wrist flexion occurs only slightly and early in the acceleration phase of these three combined segments. ****, Ford, Ford, and Shin, (1995) further diminish the role of wrist flexion suggesting the wrist is used primarily for developing ball control. It is the position of the wrist that directs the throwing velocity but do impart the final accumulated momentum to the ball (Hore, Watts, & Martin, 1996). This strongly supports the contention that the role of the lower arm and hand in pitching is largely one of controlling the baseball rather than contributing to the development of release velocity. Maximum movement veocity is achieved just as the lower segment starts.

The "Theory of Relativity" would beg to differ!

TRhit

I understand your position completely.

The idea is to simply state why you disagree....not to berate.

I'm trying to stay in form for the management.

capn

Let PG substantiate his views other than "I thinK" and he won't be berated---by the way if you notice I am not the only one on his case

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---by the way if you notice I am not the only one on his case

....I know, I know.

Thanks for listening though.

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Originally posted by ThE FuTuRe:
thanks bum,

i got a pitching coach and im going to try to long toss every other day and lift 5X a week like you said

thanks a lot buddy

Thanks, kid. But I think lifting 5x week is pushing it. In baseball you need flexibility and lifting 5x week is a bit much. 3x week is just fine. Instead, long toss and do core, band work and cardio 5x week.

And one more thing. Please, please drop the empty calories that pop offers. Instead, drink gool 'ol water. Good luck!

bum,

how about alot of milk?
because i am trying to gain more weight so i can turn it into muscle too, and i dont really now how much calories i should be having a day i want to gain about 15 pounds before next year too, cause i hit .420 on var last year but i want to start hitting for power too.
so what do you think i should do to gain?

I think it would be best if you asked our resident-expert, Jon Doyle in the Nutrition area. I am not a dietician or an expert in that area, but, having said that, as an owner of a health club I'm a big believer in meat as a source of protein whereever possible.

A simple way to prove this is to look at a cow with the big stomach.. cows are vegetarians.

Weight can be very deceiving. Muscle weighs more than fat, so a guy who is 5'10" 165 lbs. may appear slimmer than a guy 5'10" 155 lbs. because he has more muscle-weight.. and that's what you want if power is your goal. To test your muscle-weight, go to a health club and get a body-fat analysis done.

Of course, too much protein is also not good, so don't go overboard.. but if you are playing a competitive travel schedule you're burning a lot of calories, so you need to eat more than the average Joe. Just stay away from the "empty" calories (I'll say it again, the enemy of mankind..pop!). Pop rots your teeth, is a major cause of Diabetes, causes sugar-crashes diminishing your performance, and is the main reason why Americans are so fat.

Someone else on these boards said it best.. I think it was Jon but I could be wrong.. IF YOU CAN'T KILL IT CATCH, OR GROW IT, DON'T EAT IT.

As for milk, by all means drink a fair amount of it --don't go overboard.

You say you want power. You don't have to be huge to have power. I've seen Ichiro Suzuki in batting practice and he hit 16 homeruns in a row out. 16 !!! If he wanted, truly wanted, he could hit 60 homeruns a year.. but he doesn't because he would sacrifice his true swing and his batting average would drop. If you are hitting for gap-to-gap power that's good enough. Some of that is training, some of that is nutrition, and some of that is you getting older and stronger.

Concentrate your power efforts on your legs and core. Do sprints and other explosive-action training methods.

Great advice, bum. And speaking of Jon Doyle, I have to HIGHLY recommend his program "Unbreakable Abs". It's a killer program - not easy to do - but the results for those who stick with it will do wonders for velocity, endurance, and overall health of the body, starting at the core and radiating outwards.