George kirby press conference

I don’t think he should have made a public statement on it. I personally prefer to bring in the reliever at that point. Switch things up to get the last 9 outs.

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

I don’t think he should have made a public statement on it. I personally prefer to bring in the reliever at that point. Switch things up to get the last 9 outs.

Exactly!  The manager should have not left the call up to the player and took him out, and the player should have not had the interview.

I don't follow the Mariners but Tampa is my team. Kirby took responsibility,  realized he messed up.

@Dominik85, no one would understand how he felt unless they have been there at one time or another.

That's baseball. It's not all sunshine and roses.

Those twitter aka X folks have no clue.

@TPM posted:

Exactly!  The manager should have not left the call up to the player and took him out, and the player should have not had the interview.

I don't follow the Mariners but Tampa is my team. Kirby took responsibility,  realized he messed up.

@Dominik85, no one would understand how he felt unless they have been there at one time or another.

That's baseball. It's not all sunshine and roses.

Those twitter aka X folks have no clue.

“Those twitter aka X folks” that commented hard about this were mostly ex-MLB players.

@adbono posted:

“Those twitter aka X folks” that commented hard about this were mostly ex-MLB players.

Just saw a thread on this started by Roger Clemens.  He certainly figured out a way to pitch deep into games late in his career.

@K9 posted:

Just saw a thread on this started by Roger Clemens.  He certainly figured out a way to pitch deep into games late in his career.

He was also busted for roids

@K9 posted:

Just saw a thread on this started by Roger Clemens.  He certainly figured out a way to pitch deep into games late in his career.

The greatest success in this game comes from years of experience, if you can last that long. Clemens certainly did figure out how to pitch deep into the game later in his career!

The only mistake Kirby made was doing that interview.

Kirby apologized for the interview.

I can understand he was frustrated but he shouldn't have made it public.

I also understand why servais left him out a little longer, some of their best relievers had been used 3 days in a row and justed needed a break that kirby had to wear.

@Dominik85 posted:

Kirby apologized for the interview.

I can understand he was frustrated but he shouldn't have made it public.

I also understand why servais left him out a little longer, some of their best relievers had been used 3 days in a row and justed needed a break that kirby had to wear.

Then the Manager should have apologized as well.

JMO

It’s the first time I’ve ever heard a pitcher put up a stink about staying in a competitive game.

@RJM posted:

It’s the first time I’ve ever heard a pitcher put up a stink about staying in a competitive game.

But will it be the last, or are we in a new era? I generally think there's three sides to every story, tend to lean more towards the what many would consider the new school of development and coaching, but this seems like it could have been kept in house. But again, I don't know all the details.

@adbono posted:

“Those twitter aka X folks” that commented hard about this were mostly ex-MLB players.

Maybe when you saw it earlier, now it's turned into the typical "Nolan Ryan threw 800 pitches in a game at 108mph" troglodytes.

@nycdad posted:

Maybe when you saw it earlier, now it's turned into the typical "Nolan Ryan threw 800 pitches in a game at 108mph" troglodytes.

Thanks for saying that for me. 

There are times when I wonder if teams/organizations are doing their part in stressing how to deal with the media.  Rendon for the Angels had a rough week dealing with the media.  These issues have to stay inside the locker room.  No excuses at all justify the remarks. 

Two approaches here

Behind closed doors / in the dugout - Kirby and Servais have a man to man talk.  All pitchers should have the freedom to tell a manager they are out of gas.  Servais should tell him that the pen is gassed.  They work it out.  Preferably, majority of this conversation is held before the game then it progresses throughout the game.

Open doors / media - pull a chapter from Bull Durham and Nuke LaLoosh and keep it boring and bland.   

As for the old heads they are getting pretty annoying taking a dump on today's game and players - even when I agree with them.  They look petty and jealous.  Just enjoy the game you helped perpetuate.  Because the guys before them thought they were prima donnas.

@nycdad posted:

But will it be the last, or are we in a new era? I generally think there's three sides to every story, tend to lean more towards the what many would consider the new school of development and coaching, but this seems like it could have been kept in house. But again, I don't know all the details.

If this is the new way it should be kept in the dugout and locker room like bitching about being removed typically has been in the past.

@nycdad posted:

Maybe when you saw it earlier, now it's turned into the typical "Nolan Ryan threw 800 pitches in a game at 108mph" troglodytes.

I wish people would understand what Nolan Ryan did was abnormal even for his era.

My other favorite is Greg Maddux didn’t throw hard. He cruised 94 when he came up.

@coach2709 posted:

Two approaches here

Behind closed doors / in the dugout - Kirby and Servais have a man to man talk.  All pitchers should have the freedom to tell a manager they are out of gas.  Servais should tell him that the pen is gassed.  They work it out.  Preferably, majority of this conversation is held before the game then it progresses throughout the game.

Open doors / media - pull a chapter from Bull Durham and Nuke LaLoosh and keep it boring and bland.   

As for the old heads they are getting pretty annoying taking a dump on today's game and players - even when I agree with them.  They look petty and jealous.  Just enjoy the game you helped perpetuate.  Because the guys before them thought they were prima donnas.

I'll take door #1 where they discuss behind closed doors/in the dugout (before the game) where the experienced 56-year old manager explains to the 25-year old pitcher what the team pitching situation is, and what he expects out of him in this start.   Then he hands him the ball.