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Hello All,

I've been coaching my son's Summer league 14u team. One player on the team, for whatever reason, does not like my son. They are both middle infielders and play all the time, so playing time is not the issue. My son plays 2B and neither of the 2 makes many errors.

Although this is only the second year I have had this kid on our team, I've known him for nearly 5 years and this seems to be a pattern. He typically singles out one player and continues to attack them throughout the entire season. Another coach speculated he felt threatened and that's his defense mechanism. Last year, he continued to attack and put down our catcher that he has been friends with a long time. The catcher had a very difficult time with it. On a prior team, he messed with the ss so much that it caused the kid to quit.

Thankfully my son is mentally strong and continues to perform, but I his "non reaction" to the verbal attacks are beginning to really bother the other kid. He is now trying to include other team members on the "assault" on my kid. The good thing is that most players see it for what it is, but the catcher who was the recipient of the attacks last year has now joined in on the verbal attacks.

I have always tried not to involve myself with "kid" conflicts because the need to learn how to solve them themselves because many of those conflicts continue in our adult lives with co-workers, neighbors, etc... The quicker they learn to deal deal with and resolve them, the better off they will be as adults in their ability to handle any adversity or personal conflicts.

It's beginning to get really difficult to watch because the catcher actually physically confronted my son at our last practice. As a dad i must say that i was proud to see my son not back down, turn and face the catcher and say "jump if you have the balls to" I pretended to not see or even hear what happened, but was watching with a close eye. the catcher mumbled something about hitting (we were in the middle of BP, so i think he said he was lucky it was his turn to hit) and walked away.

I think the ss is the real problem, and although he is a very talented player, my philosophy for next year will be addition by subtraction. That's next year though, how would you handle this situation this year? Just let it fly since we are 2 weeks from ending our season? I cannot talk to the parents because they think he hung the moon and make excuses for any mistake the ss makes. Just need some insight because I don't care how tough we are or how tough our kids are, none of us like to see our own be mistreated, even if they do have the mental toughness to handle it. Thanks in advance.

NJ Dad
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I'm glad you asked. Because he is my son, it's a little more difficult (for me) to deal with because of emotions. No one feels comfortable seeing their own intentionally mistreated. If it were not my son I would have addressed it with the perpetrators as soon as I believed it was getting a little out of contol. Addressing it now, I think, can make the situation worse since there would be the perception that "coach daddy" had to come to the rescue.

I ask here. Evacuee I want to be completely objective about this. Thanks for asking.

NJ Dad
I think you answered your own question.

Appears your son has it under control and with only two weeks left in the season I would do what you described. Let it go and the offender can find a new team next year.

Since you didn't offer it up my guess is that your son hasn't asked you to intervene. I would imagine if you asked him he would say he has it handled. I could see possibly getting involved if your son came to you but until then I wouldn't.

We had two boys who made our lives difficult last year so I feel for you. Good luck
Just a dad, I'm a story teller. I'd tell the team a story of great teammates and teammates that destroy teams. I'd tell them that your glad that there you are glad that your team does not have bad teammates because if you did, you'd have no choice but to release that bad teammate if it affected the team. I'd look at the SS often during that speech. Catcher too.

Now, I'd do that since it has gone on so long. I'm not one for tolerating poor teammates. I once had a kid who threw 92 as a sophomore. He didn't make the team. He was a terrible teammate. He didn't make the team as a junior or senior. All he did was attack and embarass others. While he could do that all summer long, I was not going to tolerate it on my team and I told him face to face that.

Now one last piece of advice that I did with my child when I coached her. She had two teammates that made fun of her all of the time because she was always practicing. I had told a "story" about good and bad teammates and then I gave the example of my child. Then I told them that if anyone were to make fun of her, I've given her permission to kick their assets. Maybe not the best way to do things and I don't advise you to do that.
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@ back stop dad: no, my son has not asked me to intervene and he does have it under control. I would also assume that given the choice, he would prefer I didn't.

@coachB: I'm somewhat of a storyteller as well, but mostly use analogies to drive points home. During our first week of practice I explained the difference. Between good and bad teammates. Some people are just destructive in nature, and I think this kid lacks the ability to uplift teammates. It's almost as if he needs to put others down in order to make him look better or to get in good graces with the coaches. It's too bad because he is an above average player. He missed a couple of games this year and it's amazing the difference his not being there made, as far the dug out dynamics. We'll get through the next 2 weeks, but will not play this game next year. He's gone!

Thanks for your insight guys.

NJ Dad
As witnessed by my assistant coach this past Friday night:

Problem kid knocks my son's hat off of and underneath the bench, then as my son trys to pick it up, the kid says: "don't you dare touch me while picking up you s***. My son carefully picks up his hat and stands by problem kid. As the kid begins to take a drink of his powerade, just as the bottle reaches his lip, my son knocks it out of his hand causing it to spill.

My son says, "I dare you to say something about it."
Problem kid walks off and doesn't say another word to my son the rest of the weekemd.

I'd say he has it under control....

NJ Dad
It's great that your son is able to handle the situation. That said, I'm with CoachB25. As a coach, I would not allow behavior that breaks down team unity. I would not care if there was one hour left in the season, I would not tolerate it. Considering the attack involves your son, do you have a strong assistant that can deliver the necessary message? If not, you should address it just as you would if it were not your son, IMO. Yes, you are subject to criticism because your son is involved, but better to do the right thing regardless.

Teaching players to respect each other and support each other as teammates on the field regardless of off-field relationships is one of the most important jobs of a coach, again IMO.
I see an opportunity to help a kid that has the wrong perspective, as opposed to seeing opportunity to get rid of a problem.

You may also want to take a second look at how your son handled things. It is a huge step to be able to stand up for yourself in those situations. Mission accomplished. However, you have to ask... did he move the team closer together or further apart? What he did was probably what he needed to do to establish himself. But, what can he do as follow-up to pull things together for his team? Maybe a talk with SS calling for a truce for the last two weeks so they can work on being the best MIF combo they can be. Obviously, he'd need to use his own lingo and not my fogie "truce" term. Not saying it's an easy situation, it surely is not. Particularly with 13-14 y.o.'s. Mad Eek
Best of luck.
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Very insightful post cabbagedad. I appreciate the well thought out response. I am all about "what's best for the team", but I think there are certain situations that cannot be resolved with diplomacy. Heaven knows we have tried. If the fishing line is caught on the rocks, sometimes you just have to cut bait.

I've taught my son to always travel the high road, but to always keep a keen eye on folks who mistake integrity, kindness, & respect of persons as weakness. I don't mean to imply that I'm interested in giving up on any child or refuse to teach the correct behavior, but some individuals are destructive in nature and the quicker we are able to pick up on it, the quicker we are able to separate ourselves from it.

That being said though, I am in agreement with your philosophy. Thanks again.

NJ Dad
Sounds like it's time for a bit of "tough love". Meaning you should tell the problem child (and have his parents there too) that if you don't see any improvement in his attitude for the last couple weeks, then he won't be back with the team next year.

Sure, he and his parents may see it as "daddy coach", but honestly... so what? You're doing what's best for the TEAM. If they don't see that then it's their problem. Your job is to not make it the team's problem.
way back when mid 70's I went into the locker room and 2 kids were knocking the **** out of each other. I threw both off the team. One of the fathers said he would take it up with my AD and principal. I told him he could take it up with whoever he wanted. that was the end of it. the 2 kids came out the next year and were a big part of the team. I know that would not be the scenario today I am sure I would be threatened with a law suit or whatever. Just thinking out loud.
We had a guy on my highschool team that was kind of a head case. One day in the dugout, he started trying to rip on me so with every one, I would come back with another and so on. Then I walked by him and he stuck his leg out trying to trip me. I caght it between my legs and asked if he wanted to try that agin. He punched me square in the jaw. I walked away being the bigger man and when the coach asked me what happened, I said I took care of it.
The next season went by and every day he tried to push my buttons. saying he was going to throw a ball at my face during bp, trying to antagonize me more and doing anything he could to push my buttons including letting a ball drop in front of him to make me lose a no hitter in the 6th inning then trying to psych me out in the dugout before i pitched.
To make a long story short, I didn't let him push me around and he eventually graduated but the main thing is no one ever stepped in and nothing was ever resolved. If you punish them together, then it wouldn't be daddy saving his rear end and the issue would be resolved. Pull them both aside and tell them to cut it out or they will be sitting or worse, turning in their jersey's.

Hope this helps
Clearly this has been on going behavior that other coaches and parents have seen for a long time. Why wait until next year to make changes. Tell him what you have seen, let him know (and his parents) what will happen if it occurs one more time and if it occurs again, sit the player for a number of games or cut him right then and there.

Maybe it will help him, maybe it won't but it will help team chemistry. No player is bigger than the team.

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