Do you see the way Manny plays that Green Monster in Fenway---he may be the best I have seen there in playing balls off the wall and getting them back to the infield
Manny is more just Manny being Manny--
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he has become a very good fielder. on occasion he will throw to the wrong base,but when you hit like that....................
Or cuts one off from the outfield ! Truly incredible discipline at the plate though thru all counts.One of the better right handed hitters today for sure.
The post concerns how Manny plays the Green Monster---If you cannot answer that do not post and be foolish in your rematks---He kept a runner from scoring on a hit and held him at third---watch the game !!!
well if hes gonna be as lazy as he is in the outfield, he better find something to do good out there. dont forget, hes been playing there for 8 years now, if he didnt know how to play it, that would be a shame. hes a horrible defender, a beast w/ the bat though.
TR,
I hope you were kidding around ("If you cannot answer that do not post"). If a member starts a thread about a pro player's performance, other members ARE allowed to post their opinions on the player...in fact, that would pretty much be expected.
Julie
I hope you were kidding around ("If you cannot answer that do not post"). If a member starts a thread about a pro player's performance, other members ARE allowed to post their opinions on the player...in fact, that would pretty much be expected.
Julie
TR,
quote:do not post
Manny doesn't play the green monster nearly as well as TR plays the crowd around here.
Angry old man posts that tear people down get just a bit annoying. Unless of course, you like laughing at angry old men.
Angry old man posts that tear people down get just a bit annoying. Unless of course, you like laughing at angry old men.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
The post concerns how Manny plays the Green Monster---If you cannot answer that do not post and be foolish in your rematks---He kept a runner from scoring on a hit and held him at third---watch the game !!!
Is this a joke...?? LOL!!
We had this conversation once when you were out of town TR. Any high school kid could play left field off the green monster. Why in the world do you think it takes any talent at all to catch a ball that hits a fense, rolls to you, and then having to throw it all of 75 ft. back in to second. Only the`weakest of fielders play left there.
I've been reading your posts for quite a while now and although I agree with some of your statements, most I really can't figure out where you're coming from. The guys you choose to defend, i.e. Bonds-Clemens, I've never understood that. Now, you think Ramirez is a defensive star???
I know you're involved in baseball, but did you actually play the game when you were younger?
I've been reading your posts for quite a while now and although I agree with some of your statements, most I really can't figure out where you're coming from. The guys you choose to defend, i.e. Bonds-Clemens, I've never understood that. Now, you think Ramirez is a defensive star???
I know you're involved in baseball, but did you actually play the game when you were younger?
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
The post concerns how Manny plays the Green Monster
TR,
Well, baseballregie finally made it relevant with his "Any high school kid could play left field off the green monster" comment.
Save the foolishness for the pros.
etc.
Actually, I don't mind TR's initial deviation from the HS topic. I just wanted to pile on with the other bashers.
Lighten up, TR.
TR ...
I think you're forgetting how well Yaz played the wall. In addition to playing all the bounces well, and having a much better arm than Ramirez, he would fake guys out by giving the over the shoulder glance without moving as if the ball was out of the park. Then when the hitter went into his home run trot Yaz would play the ball off the wall and throw the guy out a second.
I think you're forgetting how well Yaz played the wall. In addition to playing all the bounces well, and having a much better arm than Ramirez, he would fake guys out by giving the over the shoulder glance without moving as if the ball was out of the park. Then when the hitter went into his home run trot Yaz would play the ball off the wall and throw the guy out a second.
quote:Only the`weakest of fielders play left there.
i would have to disagree about only the weakest fielders. in fenway it is the hardest position in the outfield. to know when to field the ball or play it off the wall. if it hits a seem and caroms left or right. and even the weakest major leaguer is pretty good since there are only 450 += mlb fielders.
Well, I'm not going to get involved with all the petty bickering (or did I by making that comment?)
But, if you watched yesterday's game, I think it was the new Yankee shortstop hit one off the wall. Manny looked like he overran it (or it hit that seam 20dad referred to)
He barehanded the ball and turned and threw it without picking up 2nd base first. Missed getting the runner by about a foot.
Yes, he's got stupid hair and he acts like a goof sometimes but he's not the worst fielder in the world. Must be bitter Yankee fans posting here!
And, I've never seen a player with better plate discipline. If it's not a strike, he won't swing at it.
But, if you watched yesterday's game, I think it was the new Yankee shortstop hit one off the wall. Manny looked like he overran it (or it hit that seam 20dad referred to)
He barehanded the ball and turned and threw it without picking up 2nd base first. Missed getting the runner by about a foot.
Yes, he's got stupid hair and he acts like a goof sometimes but he's not the worst fielder in the world. Must be bitter Yankee fans posting here!
And, I've never seen a player with better plate discipline. If it's not a strike, he won't swing at it.
I start a thread about Manny playing the Green Monster and then someone brings up a stupid thing he did a few years back---why bring that up in this discussion ?
I think it is not angry old men here, remember we had Sophia Loren and Ann Margret in the movies, I think it angry young adults who like to hijack threads
biggerpapi--- he also kept A-Rod from scoring
I think it is not angry old men here, remember we had Sophia Loren and Ann Margret in the movies, I think it angry young adults who like to hijack threads
biggerpapi--- he also kept A-Rod from scoring
At first I thought you were kidding, then I realized that you were serious.
Manny puts up great offensive numbers, but defensively he's a liability, and mentally he's a flake. He's in LF because he doesn't want to DH, and that's the only other place they can put him.
It doesn't take a Gold Glover to field balls that are whacked off of a Little League distance fence and throw it in 75 or 100 feet.
Manny puts up great offensive numbers, but defensively he's a liability, and mentally he's a flake. He's in LF because he doesn't want to DH, and that's the only other place they can put him.
It doesn't take a Gold Glover to field balls that are whacked off of a Little League distance fence and throw it in 75 or 100 feet.
2 Seamer
It takes talent and skill ( result of many practice hours) to play that wall and stop runners from getting an extra base
Manny is what he is-- A great ball playe
It takes talent and skill ( result of many practice hours) to play that wall and stop runners from getting an extra base
Manny is what he is-- A great ball playe
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And this Green Monster is where my friend Rocky makes his home. We haven't seen the Manny around here...just Rocky.
Rocky kept a bunny from scoring a pine cone and held him at the third limb---watch the sunset !!!
And this Green Monster is where my friend Rocky makes his home. We haven't seen the Manny around here...just Rocky.
Rocky kept a bunny from scoring a pine cone and held him at the third limb---watch the sunset !!!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
2 Seamer
It takes talent and skill ( result of many practice hours) to play that wall and stop runners from getting an extra base
Manny is what he is-- A great ball playe
Just a difference of opinion. Manny isn't a great ballplayer..he's a great hitter. Running the bases, or defensively, he's a liability. A great ballplayer is a complete ballplayer...and that ain't Manny.
I think one could easily find hundreds of college or high school outfielders that, with a month or two of daily practice, could field balls off of the wall just as easily. Would they struggle in the beginning? Sure...but once you get used to the angles, you only have a 75-100 ft throw to make.
I'd much rather play left at Fenway than I would right or center.
Don’t wish to get into any debate over Manny’s present abilities. We all know why he is an all star.
However, what many people don’t know is that, coming out of high school, Manny was considered a 5 tool player by some. Obviously he is no longer a plus runner, if in fact he was back then. He had a “very” strong arm, in fact he played RF most of his years with Cleveland,.and in 1996 threw out 19 runners from that position.
However, what many people don’t know is that, coming out of high school, Manny was considered a 5 tool player by some. Obviously he is no longer a plus runner, if in fact he was back then. He had a “very” strong arm, in fact he played RF most of his years with Cleveland,.and in 1996 threw out 19 runners from that position.
Has he won any gold gloves with Boston?
The topic I started was how well he played the Monster--not gold gloves--Manny can play for me any time anywhere
what about Mike Greenwell? He played it pretty well too ...just didn't hit like Manny, althought he hit pretty well.
I get what TR is saying, I just don't think Manny is all that and a bag of chips when it comes to fielding. I think a lot of guys could play it off the wall there as well if not better.
If I recall isn't this Manny's contract year?
Interesting, after reading this topic yesterday, was watching the Red Sox-Yankee game and they were talking about how Manny was far from a super star when he came to NY from the Dominican. He was very average, but he had AN INCREDIBLE WORK ETHIC!! Yes, Manny! They went on to tell how Manny's love for the game made him get up at 5am daily to work out and work on his game. ANd that he was tireless in his efforts to make himself better. Love him or hate him, as TR would say...he is waht he is!!!!
PG
You and I probably know more about Manny than anyone other person than Coach Mandl ay George Washington HS in NYC
Reggie Jackson was much like Manny in HS---not many realize what an excellent all around player either of these two men were in HS and Reggie is his college days--- and in many ways have similar personality makeups
You and I probably know more about Manny than anyone other person than Coach Mandl ay George Washington HS in NYC
Reggie Jackson was much like Manny in HS---not many realize what an excellent all around player either of these two men were in HS and Reggie is his college days--- and in many ways have similar personality makeups
From Baseball Think Factory
Not sure how they came up with these figures, but if somehow true, they show Manny as the worst LF in the AL, by a very long ways. It shows him giving up 41 runs per 150 games. Next worse gave up 10 runs in 150 games.
I actually have a hard time understanding this. Not that Manny is a great OF, but is he really that much worse than all the others?
According to Baseball Think Factory... AL Defense through August 27, 2006
The following data represent the defensive rankings for the American League players by position, with a minimum of 500 innings played. RSpt is Runs Saved for the playing time of the player above average for that much playing time. RS/150 is how many runs that would be in 150 games played.
Left Field
Pos NAME LAST Team GP INN RSpt RS/150
7 Carl Crawford, TB 122 1048.7 8 10
7 Emil Brown, KC 81 671.0 7 14
7 Scott Podsednik CWS 114 912.0 6 8
7 Reed Johnson, Tor 78 513.7 4 11
7 Nick Swisher, Oak 65 573.7 3 8
7 Raul Ibanez, Sea 124 1103.0 3 4
7 Jason Michaels, Cle 95 825.3 1 1
7 Craig Monroe, Det 83 674.3 1 1
7 Garret Anderson LAA 79 681.7 -2 -4
7 Frank Cat'l'notto Tor 82 610.0 -3 -7
7 Melky Cabrera, NYY 88 777.0 -4 -6
7 Brad Wilkerson Tex 80 664.3 -5 -10
7 Manny Ramirez, Bos 118 987.3 -30 -41
Not sure how they came up with these figures, but if somehow true, they show Manny as the worst LF in the AL, by a very long ways. It shows him giving up 41 runs per 150 games. Next worse gave up 10 runs in 150 games.
I actually have a hard time understanding this. Not that Manny is a great OF, but is he really that much worse than all the others?
According to Baseball Think Factory... AL Defense through August 27, 2006
The following data represent the defensive rankings for the American League players by position, with a minimum of 500 innings played. RSpt is Runs Saved for the playing time of the player above average for that much playing time. RS/150 is how many runs that would be in 150 games played.
Left Field
Pos NAME LAST Team GP INN RSpt RS/150
7 Carl Crawford, TB 122 1048.7 8 10
7 Emil Brown, KC 81 671.0 7 14
7 Scott Podsednik CWS 114 912.0 6 8
7 Reed Johnson, Tor 78 513.7 4 11
7 Nick Swisher, Oak 65 573.7 3 8
7 Raul Ibanez, Sea 124 1103.0 3 4
7 Jason Michaels, Cle 95 825.3 1 1
7 Craig Monroe, Det 83 674.3 1 1
7 Garret Anderson LAA 79 681.7 -2 -4
7 Frank Cat'l'notto Tor 82 610.0 -3 -7
7 Melky Cabrera, NYY 88 777.0 -4 -6
7 Brad Wilkerson Tex 80 664.3 -5 -10
7 Manny Ramirez, Bos 118 987.3 -30 -41
TR and Jerry;
Recently I discussed Manny with Mickey White his Scouting Director of the Indians.
We have previously selected Steve Mandel and Mickey White to Australia to coach our teams. One year we had Manny's cousin. I remember each player's profile from George Washington HS, when I ask for their assets. "tremendous bat speed" was their answer.
My son, now sells the SSK bats to Manny and others in the ML. Last year he sold the bats to Bonds.
Bonds and Manny contributions to a team include
discussing the recognition of the pitcher's tendencies.
Delmon Young when he traveled with our teams to Australia as a 15 year old told the two hitters before in the line up, how the pitcher would pitch to each one.
Ted Williams played LF for the Red Sox and he used "proper thinking" for his defense.
Send me an e-mail and I will explain.
Bob
Recently I discussed Manny with Mickey White his Scouting Director of the Indians.
We have previously selected Steve Mandel and Mickey White to Australia to coach our teams. One year we had Manny's cousin. I remember each player's profile from George Washington HS, when I ask for their assets. "tremendous bat speed" was their answer.
My son, now sells the SSK bats to Manny and others in the ML. Last year he sold the bats to Bonds.
Bonds and Manny contributions to a team include
discussing the recognition of the pitcher's tendencies.
Delmon Young when he traveled with our teams to Australia as a 15 year old told the two hitters before in the line up, how the pitcher would pitch to each one.
Ted Williams played LF for the Red Sox and he used "proper thinking" for his defense.
Send me an e-mail and I will explain.
Bob
I just noticed that Manny hit a hr to put the Sox in front of the Indians.
I'm more of a Braves fan, but I love watching the Red Sox. They are a fun team playing a great game. Part of the fun (and interest) in watching a game is watching the players. imo of course but I think characters like Manny bring fans in. Plus he can hit the ball. that's always exciting!
I'm more of a Braves fan, but I love watching the Red Sox. They are a fun team playing a great game. Part of the fun (and interest) in watching a game is watching the players. imo of course but I think characters like Manny bring fans in. Plus he can hit the ball. that's always exciting!
He could fall down everytime the ball hit the wall and I wouldnt care one bit. He mashes and he comes up big all the time. He is a game changer. If he had a clean haircut and said all the right things the same people bashing him would be praising him. He is a very average defender but thats all you need to be in lf in that park. But he is one of the best hitters in baseball and one of the most clutch hitters in baseball. And that makes him very special indeed. Like him or not.
I could not disagree more.
Manny is a great offensive player.
Unfortunately, he leaves so much on the field in terms of hustle and effort, and other intangibles like taking a day off because he "wants" one, not because it is needed.
Manny has great talents. In my view, he is an ESPN player who is one dimensional, and commands $$$$ for that one dimension.
When I think of Mays, Musial, Mantle,Aaron, and many others, but especially Mays, I can acknowledge Manny is a great hitter, but a product of ESPN.
Take a bat out of his hands, put him in a big ballpark, put him in Jacobs field, put him in AT&T, and most coaches wouldn't ever say do it like Manny.
Heck, for my money, David Ortiz does not play a position and does everything Manny does.
Manny is a great offensive player.
Unfortunately, he leaves so much on the field in terms of hustle and effort, and other intangibles like taking a day off because he "wants" one, not because it is needed.
Manny has great talents. In my view, he is an ESPN player who is one dimensional, and commands $$$$ for that one dimension.
When I think of Mays, Musial, Mantle,Aaron, and many others, but especially Mays, I can acknowledge Manny is a great hitter, but a product of ESPN.
Take a bat out of his hands, put him in a big ballpark, put him in Jacobs field, put him in AT&T, and most coaches wouldn't ever say do it like Manny.
Heck, for my money, David Ortiz does not play a position and does everything Manny does.
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:
I could not disagree more.
Manny is a great offensive player.
Unfortunately, he leaves so much on the field in terms of hustle and effort, and other intangibles like taking a day off because he "wants" one, not because it is needed.
Manny has great talents. In my view, he is an ESPN player who is one dimensional, and commands $$$$ for that one dimension.
When I think of Mays, Musial, Mantle,Aaron, and many others, but especially Mays, I can acknowledge Manny is a great hitter, but a product of ESPN.
Take a bat out of his hands, put him in a big ballpark, put him in Jacobs field, put him in AT&T, and most coaches wouldn't ever say do it like Manny.
Heck, for my money, David Ortiz does not play a position and does everything Manny does.
LOL I dont care who u are thats funny
Lemme see.... TWENTY EIGHT NINTH INNING HOMERS!!!!????
Can u imagine if ARod could do that?