The possible truth is they found someone they wanted more and are hoping to free up her scholarship.
I want to make it clear as well I am not saying your wrong you make some outstanding points. And should a coach later call a kid in late in the game and say "We believe we were wrong about you. We dont think you can play here. We will honor our word and you will be on the team but you wont see the court "field"."
On one hand you could say they are doing the kid a favor by being honest with them. On the other hand you could say they are wrong for not giving the kid a chance to prove himself and honoring their word. Maybe they found someone after the fact they liked better and now they are looking for a way out.
I think it comes down to a coach believing that their word and the view of their word is worth more than the possibility of having a player on the roster that may not be able to cut it. Its a tough call for some I am sure. But not worth the backlash in the long run imo.
On one hand you could say they are doing the kid a favor by being honest with them. On the other hand you could say they are wrong for not giving the kid a chance to prove himself and honoring their word. Maybe they found someone after the fact they liked better and now they are looking for a way out.
I think it comes down to a coach believing that their word and the view of their word is worth more than the possibility of having a player on the roster that may not be able to cut it. Its a tough call for some I am sure. But not worth the backlash in the long run imo.
I could not agree with Coach May more. Momentary impulses, can have long term effects.
An institution should be held to higher standard.
Duke will and should feel the repercussions from their shortsightedness.
An institution should be held to higher standard.
Duke will and should feel the repercussions from their shortsightedness.
I think the main problem here was the constant flattery the athlete received from the coaches, which made her so confident in her abilities that she was left completely crushed and humiliated when she learned that she would not, indeed, be one of Duke Woman's Basketball's leaders. I understand that this sort of blandishing has to be done to attract players, but I believe the coaches used it in excess, especially for a player who clearly was a risk if she wasn't clearly demonstrating D1 ability in HS.
Perhaps the player and her family bears some responsibility as well, but did she know that the coaches weren't necessarily sincere with their words, especially with the number of positive comments she received? From what I can tell, her game didn't decline in junior year but rather it stagnated; how was it fair for the coaches to tell her so early then that she would be a future leader when the same player with the same abilities one year later would be a bench-filler? It's quite deceptive.
Perhaps the player and her family bears some responsibility as well, but did she know that the coaches weren't necessarily sincere with their words, especially with the number of positive comments she received? From what I can tell, her game didn't decline in junior year but rather it stagnated; how was it fair for the coaches to tell her so early then that she would be a future leader when the same player with the same abilities one year later would be a bench-filler? It's quite deceptive.
quote:If you compare ladies fast ball to BB you will see the women get larger scholarships than men I know at least 5 that have gotten full rides and I don't know 1 BB player that has a full ride.
It's because there are ten rides for possibly twenty players rather than 11.7 for possibly twenty-seven. Studette softball pitchers get full rides.
I believe the softball scholarship number is actually a possible total of 12 for a fully funded program. Rosters are generally smaller as two or three good pitchers can carry a program. Sometimes one "studette" can pitch a large percentage of the innings. There are a number of female sports that have more schollys than the mens. There is a big need to offset the 85 available fotball rides.
I know a local girl who committed to Duke basketball about the same time the girl in question was having her problems. The local player is a big time player (and good friend of my son) and the timing is probably not a coincidence.
The only thing that the Duke coach could have done differently/ better is replace the phone call with a face to face meeting to talk about the facts of life at Duke with the girl in question. An impersonal call after all the love resulted in "hell has no fury like...".
Regarding the Title IX debate, it along with football, is responsible for the current low budgets for men's sports, baseball included.
An administrator told me once that Title IX was a well intentioned law whose purpose at first was to use it as a shield but is now used as a sword. People in the know understand that now Title IX is starting to be used by the Pelosi crowd to hammer schools over the lack of women in the sciences. The lack of women in the sciences has nothing to do with discrimination but rather choices individuals make but the entitlement crowd doesn't want to hear that and the result will be further discrimination against young men.
Regarding the excellent women athletes that exist in this country, I agree there are many (thanks for the photos). In my home town there is a young woman going to Stanford to play hoops. Great person, great basketball player and student. However she and the others are the clear exception. The vast majority are robots with pigtails.
ps. Before the personal accuasations start up again, it should be noted that I probably go to more girls high school basketball games due to my many nieces involvement in the sport, than those who like to criticize do. I'm thrilled for my nieces involvement, cheer them on, hope they get a scholarship (of course a full ride vs partial for men's baseball), but at the same time, if after watching the vast majority of games, you are left with any objectivity (let alone brain cells), you have no choice but to admit the facts are the facts.
The only thing that the Duke coach could have done differently/ better is replace the phone call with a face to face meeting to talk about the facts of life at Duke with the girl in question. An impersonal call after all the love resulted in "hell has no fury like...".
Regarding the Title IX debate, it along with football, is responsible for the current low budgets for men's sports, baseball included.
An administrator told me once that Title IX was a well intentioned law whose purpose at first was to use it as a shield but is now used as a sword. People in the know understand that now Title IX is starting to be used by the Pelosi crowd to hammer schools over the lack of women in the sciences. The lack of women in the sciences has nothing to do with discrimination but rather choices individuals make but the entitlement crowd doesn't want to hear that and the result will be further discrimination against young men.
Regarding the excellent women athletes that exist in this country, I agree there are many (thanks for the photos). In my home town there is a young woman going to Stanford to play hoops. Great person, great basketball player and student. However she and the others are the clear exception. The vast majority are robots with pigtails.
ps. Before the personal accuasations start up again, it should be noted that I probably go to more girls high school basketball games due to my many nieces involvement in the sport, than those who like to criticize do. I'm thrilled for my nieces involvement, cheer them on, hope they get a scholarship (of course a full ride vs partial for men's baseball), but at the same time, if after watching the vast majority of games, you are left with any objectivity (let alone brain cells), you have no choice but to admit the facts are the facts.
There are typically more women's sports than men's to offset football.quote:Originally posted by DiamondFan:
I believe the softball scholarship number is actually a possible total of 12 for a fully funded program. Rosters are generally smaller as two or three good pitchers can carry a program. Sometimes one "studette" can pitch a large percentage of the innings. There are a number of female sports that have more schollys than the mens. There is a big need to offset the 85 available fotball rides.
A softball team will usually recruit two studdette pitchers in case one fails. When Cal won back to back a few years ago they had two overwhelming pitchers. The arm may not go, but the legs can. College softball teams often use a second pitcher during the season and go with the dominant one in NCAA's One women threw 650 pitched in five days in the WCWS.
Here's Kristina Thorsen who was one of the Cal pitchers. She's another tragic case of testosterone gone bad in women. She was a dominant collegiate pitcher. The funny thing is she made up her eyes like a goth and dyed her hair dark purple for games. She was the softball version of Wild Thing.
The lack of women in math and sciences is related to them traditionally being steered away from these subjects. There are far more women in these fields in the recent years including my daughter who will graduate PBK in forensic science which falls under the chemistry department. Then she's going on to law school to become a trial lawyer. I guess if she's tough in court you would call her a b itch where you would call a man intense.quote:The lack of women in the sciences has nothing to do with discrimination but rather choices individuals make but the entitlement crowd doesn't want to hear that and the result will be further discrimination against young men.
"if after watching the vast majority of games, you are left with any objectivity (let alone brain cells), you have no choice but to admit the facts are the facts."
Where do you come up with all your stereotypes? Just like male sports, the best female athletes are typically the biggest, fastest, strongest and have the best work ethic. It doesn't detract from them being women. I'll stand on you being an offensive pig for suggesting it has to do with excessive testosterone.
My daughter was a shy little kid. Athletics turned her into an in your face, dynamic personality. Why should women be provided any less then men receive? I doubt without sports she would be in the science field and heading towards a career in trial law. My daughter is growing into the kind of women who make men like you shake in your boots.
I've never known a young woman to be "steered away" from anything they wanted to achieve. That's 30 year old language and mindset at work attempting to achieve victom-ology and further entitlements.
If anything this society is at war with boys. Take a look at current under graduate and graduate enrollments, graduation rates, special education, the current policy of medicating (ie drugging) "over-active" boys, etc etc and any objective person would be hard pressed to see how women are being "opressed".
Talk about a Neanderthal mindset.
If anything this society is at war with boys. Take a look at current under graduate and graduate enrollments, graduation rates, special education, the current policy of medicating (ie drugging) "over-active" boys, etc etc and any objective person would be hard pressed to see how women are being "opressed".
Talk about a Neanderthal mindset.
It's because you've lived with your blinders on in your man's world. The testosterone statement proves you're uninformed and ignorant.quote:I've never known a young woman to be "steered away" from anything they wanted to achieve.
There have been more women in college than men for a long time. Males are more likely to go to trade school than women. I've never felt there's a war on against my son. With people like you the good 'ole boys network lives.
ADHD is an entirely different topic. I could go on regarding the overuse of Ritalin but it would detract from your ignorant statements. The short version is it's about behavioral control shortcuts and additional at-risk funding for schools.
IG Better be careful what you say. They are gaining the upper hand.
There are more women in the work force. Are men getting smarter ?
There are more women in the work force. Are men getting smarter ?
How did this discussion morph into a Title X discussion?
The bottom line is that Duke probably found another player they preferred more for their system---we also do not all the inner details of the conversations on both sides so who knows if there was a "concrete" situation in place
Now for one more thing--if the player is that good why isn't she being grabbed up once the word is out about the Duke siutation--once again the old adage comes into play--do not burn bridges--never ever !!!
The bottom line is that Duke probably found another player they preferred more for their system---we also do not all the inner details of the conversations on both sides so who knows if there was a "concrete" situation in place
Now for one more thing--if the player is that good why isn't she being grabbed up once the word is out about the Duke siutation--once again the old adage comes into play--do not burn bridges--never ever !!!
Title IX Absurdity example...
University of Iowa was late coming to the table with Title IX compliance plans. They desperately needed more women athletes in order to continue to fund the male sports at the current levels.
Their answer??? A womens rowing team.
Hired a coach in the summer who stood in the lines of incoming freshman registering for classes, and walked up to athletic looking girls asking if they wanted full scholarships to join the rowing team...
Then went out and spent millions on facilities.
I don't see the help this provides. I'd rather have seen them take all that money, and just give scholarships instead of the expenditures that go along with a farce sport that's sole purpose is to comply with bad legislation.
Think of it, they could have come up with a competitive booger picking team, just as easy for compliance...
How do you scout for either of those?
University of Iowa was late coming to the table with Title IX compliance plans. They desperately needed more women athletes in order to continue to fund the male sports at the current levels.
Their answer??? A womens rowing team.
Hired a coach in the summer who stood in the lines of incoming freshman registering for classes, and walked up to athletic looking girls asking if they wanted full scholarships to join the rowing team...
Then went out and spent millions on facilities.
I don't see the help this provides. I'd rather have seen them take all that money, and just give scholarships instead of the expenditures that go along with a farce sport that's sole purpose is to comply with bad legislation.
Think of it, they could have come up with a competitive booger picking team, just as easy for compliance...
How do you scout for either of those?
I would call the Iowa situation bad management, not bad legislation. They were out of compliance. Had Iowa been in compliance in time they could have done a better job of putting together a woman's sports team. Don't blame the women. Blame the university. Without Title IX the norm is women getting shortchanged on opportunity, facilities, equipment, scheduling, etc..quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
Title IX Absurdity example...
University of Iowa was late coming to the table with Title IX compliance plans. They desperately needed more women athletes in order to continue to fund the male sports at the current levels.
Their answer??? A womens rowing team.
Hired a coach in the summer who stood in the lines of incoming freshman registering for classes, and walked up to athletic looking girls asking if they wanted full scholarships to join the rowing team...
Then went out and spent millions on facilities.
I don't see the help this provides. I'd rather have seen them take all that money, and just give scholarships instead of the expenditures that go along with a farce sport that's sole purpose is to comply with bad legislation.
Think of it, they could have come up with a competitive booger picking team, just as easy for compliance...
How do you scout for either of those?
CPLZ,
Didn't you get the memo that you can't criticize the current entitlement system?
It's interesting how the entitlement mindset operates however. On the one hand they can't stop bragging about their kid's individual achievements while inferring that more entitlements are necessary to protect this class of American from discrimination that doesn't exist.
Maybe I've spent too much time scrapping my knuckles across the ground but I'm not sure if I am suppose to congratulate an individual's achievement or acknowledge that our society needs to protect a less capable class of citizens?
Didn't you get the memo that you can't criticize the current entitlement system?
It's interesting how the entitlement mindset operates however. On the one hand they can't stop bragging about their kid's individual achievements while inferring that more entitlements are necessary to protect this class of American from discrimination that doesn't exist.
Maybe I've spent too much time scrapping my knuckles across the ground but I'm not sure if I am suppose to congratulate an individual's achievement or acknowledge that our society needs to protect a less capable class of citizens?
I believe in entitlement for equal opportunity to succeed. Anything less is discrimination. Neanderthal, discriminatory thinking is why Title IX exists. College males are not more deserving of college athletic money because they are males.quote:Originally posted by igball:
CPLZ,
Didn't you get the memo that you can't criticize the current entitlement system?
It's interesting how the entitlement mindset operates however. On the one hand they can't stop bragging about their kid's individual achievements while inferring that more entitlements are necessary to protect this class of American from discrimination that doesn't exist.
Maybe I've spent too much time scrapping my knuckles across the ground but I'm not sure if I am suppose to congratulate an individual's achievement or acknowledge that our society needs to protect a less capable class of citizens?
So now you're inferring my daughter didn't achieve her athletic academic accomplishments. Everything was handed to her through legislation. Her team brings in just as much gate revenue as many men's collegiate sports (next to nothing). I didn't realize women are graded on a different curve to achieve PBK status.
I can't think you believe anything but women should have never been allowed out of the kitchen. You fear strong, accomplished women.
When you can't discuss the facts, just make personal attacks. Congrats.
This will be my last post on this because there's no hope here for an intelligent dialogue on the current state of college athletics.
Just for the record, I am 100% in favor of equal opportunity for both genders, not special treatment for either.
One aspect of the current law, which no doubt many are not aware, is that schools are allowed to perform a scientific survey to measure student's (both boys and girls) satisfaction regarding the sports offered them and make necessary changes based on the feedback they recieve. Some schools have done so and have learned that girls are very happy with their choices but boys are very much not happy (obivously they must be pigs for having these thoughts). Some schools have attempted to make some changes and the Pelosi crowd have said in no uncertain language that any attempt to make any changes will be met with law suits. It's easier for schools to continue to put boys at a disadvantage than deal with foaming at the mouth attorneys.
What this crowd wants (demands) is not equal opportunity but gender preference.
Sorry to bore everyone. Signing off.
This will be my last post on this because there's no hope here for an intelligent dialogue on the current state of college athletics.
Just for the record, I am 100% in favor of equal opportunity for both genders, not special treatment for either.
One aspect of the current law, which no doubt many are not aware, is that schools are allowed to perform a scientific survey to measure student's (both boys and girls) satisfaction regarding the sports offered them and make necessary changes based on the feedback they recieve. Some schools have done so and have learned that girls are very happy with their choices but boys are very much not happy (obivously they must be pigs for having these thoughts). Some schools have attempted to make some changes and the Pelosi crowd have said in no uncertain language that any attempt to make any changes will be met with law suits. It's easier for schools to continue to put boys at a disadvantage than deal with foaming at the mouth attorneys.
What this crowd wants (demands) is not equal opportunity but gender preference.
Sorry to bore everyone. Signing off.
My example was intended to show that compliance can be achieved without providing actual competitive opportunity. Rowing is less of a sport in Iowa than greased pig wrestling.
This is why it's bad legislation. Rather than providing actual sports opportunity, it becomes about meeting minimum compliance levels through any means necessary. It is overboard in its reach.
Funding womens sports and providing them with equal opportunity is a noble goal. Spending frivolous money to comply, and hindering male sports make it poor legislation.
This is why it's bad legislation. Rather than providing actual sports opportunity, it becomes about meeting minimum compliance levels through any means necessary. It is overboard in its reach.
Funding womens sports and providing them with equal opportunity is a noble goal. Spending frivolous money to comply, and hindering male sports make it poor legislation.
The boys had it all for a long time. Due to budget constraints to create balance involved taking away from the boys side. In the future there may not be school sports. A lot of it is disappearing at the middle school level and turned into major pay to play or eliminated in many high schools. But Title IX goes far beyond sports. The original legislation did not mention sports specifically. It just had to be more defined as time went on. Yet many people think Title IX is all about sports.quote:boys are very much not happy
If it's the wrong sport for Iowa then blame the college administration for bad planning. They obviously didn't do the research of the sport is irrelevant there. They obviously got behind schedule or didn't know what they were doing if they didn't recruit.quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
My example was intended to show that compliance can be achieved without providing actual competitive opportunity. Rowing is less of a sport in Iowa than greased pig wrestling.
This is why it's bad legislation. Rather than providing actual sports opportunity, it becomes about meeting minimum compliance levels through any means necessary. It is overboard in its reach.
Funding womens sports and providing them with equal opportunity is a noble goal. Spending frivolous money to comply, and hindering male sports make it poor legislation.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:If it's the wrong sport for Iowa then blame the college administration for bad planning. They obviously didn't do the research of the sport is irrelevant there. They obviously got behind schedule or didn't know what they were doing if they didn't recruit.quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
My example was intended to show that compliance can be achieved without providing actual competitive opportunity. Rowing is less of a sport in Iowa than greased pig wrestling.
This is why it's bad legislation. Rather than providing actual sports opportunity, it becomes about meeting minimum compliance levels through any means necessary. It is overboard in its reach.
Funding womens sports and providing them with equal opportunity is a noble goal. Spending frivolous money to comply, and hindering male sports make it poor legislation.
My point, is that maybe Iowa, who is just one example of many, really doesn't give a horses pitooty about womens sports as it relates to Title IX, and is allowed to circumvent the legislation.
Legislation that doesn't solve a problem, but only forces absurd compliance, is bad legislation. Good intention, bad legislation.
quote:My example was intended to show that compliance can be achieved without providing actual competitive opportunity. Rowing is less of a sport in Iowa than greased pig wrestling.
We know a young lady that was offered a scholarship to join the rowing team. She went out east to play basketball on scholarship. She didn't know the first thing about rowing, but she was a strong athletic girl.
BTW, I am from Iowa and have never wrestled a pig... unless you include castrating them. (That requires a certain amount of wrestling)
On the other hand, I have rowed many boats!
I would have to say... Rowing a boat is more popular than wrestling a greased pig here in Iowa.
PG,
You have a PM..
Thanks..
You have a PM..
Thanks..
Now we're getting into the issue of states rights. The Civil War was fought over far less federal government intrusion than exists today. The issue is University of Iowa accepts government funding. It makes them subject federal laws like Title IX.quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:quote:Originally posted by RJM:If it's the wrong sport for Iowa then blame the college administration for bad planning. They obviously didn't do the research of the sport is irrelevant there. They obviously got behind schedule or didn't know what they were doing if they didn't recruit.quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
My example was intended to show that compliance can be achieved without providing actual competitive opportunity. Rowing is less of a sport in Iowa than greased pig wrestling.
This is why it's bad legislation. Rather than providing actual sports opportunity, it becomes about meeting minimum compliance levels through any means necessary. It is overboard in its reach.
Funding womens sports and providing them with equal opportunity is a noble goal. Spending frivolous money to comply, and hindering male sports make it poor legislation.
My point, is that maybe Iowa, who is just one example of many, really doesn't give a horses pitooty about womens sports as it relates to Title IX, and is allowed to circumvent the legislation.
Legislation that doesn't solve a problem, but only forces absurd compliance, is bad legislation. Good intention, bad legislation.
However, I just called the Hillsdale College athletic department (Minnesota). The college does not take federal money. The contact said Title IX can be enforced by membership in the NCAA. Dissing the NCAA would be a whole new thread.
In the middle of reading Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" - very interesting in the course of this discussion as she says and I quote: "Everything I ever needed to know, I learned on the basketball court". No matter how you feel about this woman, that bold statement and her pages and pages of tales on the court (playing through injuries, not letting anyone outwork her despite the fact that she was less talented than most, etc) speak volumes about the importance that sports can hold for women individually and for us collectively when leaders are sculpted through participation.
This thread has gone from a loss of a roster spot to Title IX to rowing to pig castrating to Sarah Palin. Whew. I'm dizzy.
But I'm also with RJM on this one. If you think Title IX is bad legislation, tell me how much athletic opportunity women had on college campuses back in the early to mid-70s. Almost none. Now tell me how many women have that opportunity today. A whole bunch. You know why? Title IX. Tell me how that's a bad thing.
I have two sons, but by gosh, I would have wanted my daughters to have the opportunity to play a sport they love. And I'm glad to see so many young women getting that experience today.
College athletics is about far more than the big spectator sports and the TV contracts that follow them.
But I'm also with RJM on this one. If you think Title IX is bad legislation, tell me how much athletic opportunity women had on college campuses back in the early to mid-70s. Almost none. Now tell me how many women have that opportunity today. A whole bunch. You know why? Title IX. Tell me how that's a bad thing.
I have two sons, but by gosh, I would have wanted my daughters to have the opportunity to play a sport they love. And I'm glad to see so many young women getting that experience today.
College athletics is about far more than the big spectator sports and the TV contracts that follow them.
The HUGE problem is that colleges have created ladies sports just to fill quotas---BAH HUMBUG !!!!
TR: The biggest issue is there's no female equivalent for football in terms of scholarship numbers. If big-time football programs were cut from 80-some to 50-some scholarships, which is truly all they need, you wouldn't need as many female equivalents to even things out. And that would mean less cutting for other men's sports as well. Why does baseball only have 11.7 at its highest level of play? It's so a third-string defensive back can have a free ride. There are probably 25 football players each week that never step on the field that have full rides while D1 baseball coaches parcel out 25% and pray for walk-ons who are great students that can pull academic money. There's the lack of fairness in this issue.
catfish
I agree that it is unbalanced
BUT speaking of football
Congratulations to UCONN football for their great win over Notre Dame today
I agree that it is unbalanced
BUT speaking of football
Congratulations to UCONN football for their great win over Notre Dame today
UCONN congrats on a great win. What a tough season they have had on and off the field. I was pulling hard for them. For such a young program they have certainly made their mark. Watching the HC talk about the win and the loss of his player earlier in the year was special. Glad to see them have something to help ease the pain and loss. It sounds like Jasper was not only a heck of a player but a fine young man as well. #6
It's been raining on the parade at South Bend for a least a decade and a half.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CPLZ:
.....maybe Iowa, ....really doesn't give a horses pitooty......
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that's deep.
.....maybe Iowa, ....really doesn't give a horses pitooty......
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that's deep.
Yes in reality its been a very long time since their football program has been good. And it appears someone else besides the current coach will be coaching them the next time they are.
quote:In the middle of reading Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" - very interesting in the course of this discussion as she says and I quote: "Everything I ever needed to know, I learned on the basketball court".
Not sure she learned how to deal with a hostile media on the basketball court though.
Yea, there is definitely something I would "Hate to see happen" in this thread. 
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I would have to say... Rowing a boat is more popular than wrestling a greased pig here in Iowa.
PG,
You've been spending far too much time at the diamond...get with the times man!
And it's an equivilancy sport to boot!
My daughter was the shy little kid who was terrified to get up in front of the class for presentations. Sports helped change this. By high school she was a fireball. She was a team captain in two sports. She will be attending law school to become a trial lawyer. The little kid who was afraid to get up in front in class will be in front in the court room.quote:Originally posted by 1stand3rd:
In the middle of reading Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" - very interesting in the course of this discussion as she says and I quote: "Everything I ever needed to know, I learned on the basketball court". No matter how you feel about this woman, that bold statement and her pages and pages of tales on the court (playing through injuries, not letting anyone outwork her despite the fact that she was less talented than most, etc) speak volumes about the importance that sports can hold for women individually and for us collectively when leaders are sculpted through participation.
Let's throw out every non revenue generating sport, male and female. That would leave about fifty football programs left standing and a handful of miscellaneous sports at various schools across the country. It would certainly save a lot of money and lower tuition. Isn't education what college is supposed to be about? Or is it possible sports builds character and creates leaders? If that's true why should the men have any more opportunity than the women? Are men more valuable to society? Are women less significant to society?quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
The HUGE problem is that colleges have created ladies sports just to fill quotas---BAH HUMBUG !!!!
It has nothing to do with society significance, RJM---it has to do with scholarships to ladies in sports they never played just to fill quotas --put womens lacrosse and field hockey back in schools that used to have them not rowing or handball--make cheerleading a team sport where it isn't--how about womens ice hockey in all colleges that have mens hockey
I am in no way against womens sports, my wife was a long time AAU Softball catcher and we have a niece who is on a championshipp HS womens lacrosse team
All I ask is that NCAA does it right
I am in no way against womens sports, my wife was a long time AAU Softball catcher and we have a niece who is on a championshipp HS womens lacrosse team
All I ask is that NCAA does it right