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He said that to the Coach?

S sloroller10+ posts
Was at a game not long ago, the parent of a former teammate of my son came and sat down. After the "let me tell you how all the ex-teammates are doing" I ask is your son returning to junior college x? He tells me no, the coach and son had words. The coach wanted the kid to change something in his delivery that the dad told me went against everything that his son had ever been taught(pitching lessons since 10 yrs old) the son refused. The coach told him he had to be the most hard headed kid he had ever coached. The kid replied "I'm not hard headed, you just don't know what you are talking about" The dad went on to explain to me that the coach never played the game and learned everything that he knows from videos or the internet. The dad was proud of his son's actions, I could tell by the look on his face as he told me the story. I just told him good luck in the future. What do you think of this conversation?
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coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
If this coach never played the game and learned it through videos and whatever then why did the kid go to that school?

I can't see a college hiring anyone who hasn't at least played the game or coached with some degree of success at some level. If this school does exist then I'm assuming they probably not the best when it comes to recruiting. Therefore if the kid had talent then why did he go to this school or if what I'm thinking is true then the kid had no talent to begin with.

If the coach has no experience in playing and learned from the internet then I can see why the kid said what he did. But I'm still puzzled why he went there in the first place.
M Matt1310,000+ posts
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Originally posted by coach2709:
If this coach never played the game and learned it through videos and whatever then why did the kid go to that school?

I can't see a college hiring anyone who hasn't at least played the game or coached with some degree of success at some level. If this school does exist then I'm assuming they probably not the best when it comes to recruiting. Therefore if the kid had talent then why did he go to this school or if what I'm thinking is true then the kid had no talent to begin with.

If the coach has no experience in playing and learned from the internet then I can see why the kid said what he did. But I'm still puzzled why he went there in the first place.


There is a school (in the Midwest) that did just hire a coach with no baseball experience--his career was in football. I don't know if this school is the same as the one in the OP.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
I would venture to guess that he has pretty good job security then because it doesn't seem the school cares about winning much or they stink at hiring people.

If you're a kid with talent and a clue then why would you go to this school?

I understand there are exceptions and you can hire someone who can be a great coach without ever playing the game but the odds are against that happening.

Maybe I'm just grumpy - I'm heading to bed.
cheapseatscheapseats1,000+ posts
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What do you think of this conversation?


It is okay for the player to "think" these thoughts, but it is not okay to say them. Even if it is true, stating "you don't know what your talking about" to a person in a position of authority over you is just asking for trouble, and he will likely get a poor baseball reference from the juco coach to the next coach looking at taking him into a program.

There is a a way to have a conversation with the coach and "stick up for yourself" without being disrespectful or insubordinate, kid needs to learn some diplomacy, it will serve him well in life to have that skill.

P.S. sometimes the nut doesn't fall far from the tree...
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W Will1,000+ posts
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The kid replied "I'm not hard headed, you just don't know what you are talking about"


Back in the neanthedral days when I coached my reaction would have been telling the kid something that would in todays climate would been seen as cruel and mean and I would be told I ruined the kid.

In todays world everybody talks about respect. Telling a coach he does not know what he is talking about sort of crosses the line.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by sloroller:
Was at a game not long ago, the parent of a former teammate of my son came and sat down. After the "let me tell you how all the ex-teammates are doing" I ask is your son returning to junior college x? He tells me no, the coach and son had words. The coach wanted the kid to change something in his delivery that the dad told me went against everything that his son had ever been taught(pitching lessons since 10 yrs old) the son refused. The coach told him he had to be the most hard headed kid he had ever coached. The kid replied "I'm not hard headed, you just don't know what you are talking about" The dad went on to explain to me that the coach never played the game and learned everything that he knows from videos or the internet. The dad was proud of his son's actions, I could tell by the look on his face as he told me the story. I just told him good luck in the future. What do you think of this conversation?


I hear this happens sometimes. Sad.

Should have just kept the mouth shut and moved on.

My kid would have been afraid to come home because we don't teach disrespect here (to anyone older than yourself).

And yes, often the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Bulldog 19Bulldog 195,000+ posts
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It is okay for the player to "think" these thoughts, but it is not okay to say them. Even if it is true, stating "you don't know what your talking about" to a person in a position of authority over you is just asking for trouble, and he will likely get a poor baseball reference from the juco coach to the next coach looking at taking him into a program.


I had a principal this year share some great advice along these lines.. He told me "if you're going to get into a p*ssing match, make sure you're higher on the ladder than the other person"

Makes sense..

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