has anyone heard of these balls. they are around a pound and the same size of a baseball. if youve used these have you had success?
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My son's team will start using them this week. If the rain holds off.
I'll keep you posted on the performance.
I'll keep you posted on the performance.
My son has been following Bagonzi's weight ball program. At sixteen yo a 10oz ball at eighteen a 12oz ball. I don't know if he is throwing faster but it does force him to follow thru to get the ball down.
ASMI site has posted research claiming over under training does increase velocity.
ASMI site has posted research claiming over under training does increase velocity.
My overload / underload traing consited of water logged baseballs and tennis balls!
I've heard nothing but good about Bagonzi. Seems to build strength (wieghted) and get your mind accoustomed to moving your arm through the zone faster (light balls). I expeienced the same thing when I played "tennis ball off the wall" for hours at a time when a kid.
Had to get used to the faster arm speed, and get used to using my fingers more. Required real good timing to "feal right", but after awhile, I noticed better velo. and more movement on the ball. (I played third and the movement caused the first basemen to put a voodoo curse on my bat but ...LOL! His lastname was Guidry from Louisiana so it might've worked so good it affects the boy's bat too
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"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
I've heard nothing but good about Bagonzi. Seems to build strength (wieghted) and get your mind accoustomed to moving your arm through the zone faster (light balls). I expeienced the same thing when I played "tennis ball off the wall" for hours at a time when a kid.
Had to get used to the faster arm speed, and get used to using my fingers more. Required real good timing to "feal right", but after awhile, I noticed better velo. and more movement on the ball. (I played third and the movement caused the first basemen to put a voodoo curse on my bat but ...LOL! His lastname was Guidry from Louisiana so it might've worked so good it affects the boy's bat too
)"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
The National Pitching Association (Tom House, James Andrews, etc) says that weighted balls are fine for overload/underload work, PROVIDED that they are only 20% (1 oz.) heavier or lighter than the standard 5 oz. ball. They recommend staying away from the 7-12 oz. balls.
TH
TH
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They recommend staying away from the 7-12 oz. balls.
Why?
Go and read ******.com site... They talk a lot about over/underload training.
But they also recommend the 20% rule...
My sons use, 6 oz, 7 oz, and 3, oz and 3.5 oz balls.... when we do this in the off-season.
Since my sons do a full regiment of drills I can't say one helps more than another... Long Toss is still the main staple... and we don't use the the weighted balls during the main season.
Incrediballs (T-balls) are great for the underload... I believe they weigh 3.5 oz....
Finding a 6 oz ball was difficult, but I purchased mine a few (several) years back....
But they also recommend the 20% rule...
My sons use, 6 oz, 7 oz, and 3, oz and 3.5 oz balls.... when we do this in the off-season.
Since my sons do a full regiment of drills I can't say one helps more than another... Long Toss is still the main staple... and we don't use the the weighted balls during the main season.
Incrediballs (T-balls) are great for the underload... I believe they weigh 3.5 oz....
Finding a 6 oz ball was difficult, but I purchased mine a few (several) years back....
How much would a fully water logged baseball weigh?
I have 6 in a bucket of water right now! I purchased a weighted ball program a couple of months ago, and I bought the baseballs that go with it. I have found that it takes entirely too long to use one set of balls for an entire team, and it would be way too expensive to buy 5 or 6 sets of these balls. Water logging old balls might be my answer. But, I still need underload balls. Anymore ideas for this(please include their approximate weights)?
I have 6 in a bucket of water right now! I purchased a weighted ball program a couple of months ago, and I bought the baseballs that go with it. I have found that it takes entirely too long to use one set of balls for an entire team, and it would be way too expensive to buy 5 or 6 sets of these balls. Water logging old balls might be my answer. But, I still need underload balls. Anymore ideas for this(please include their approximate weights)?
Rocket, I have a collection of ditch balls that my younger sons have collected from last season that I will let go for a nominal fee. (Sorry, They do not have Delaware river mud on them.) 
"There is among us a far closer relationship than the purely social one of a fraternal organization because we are bound together not only by a single interest but by a common goal. To win. Nothing else matters, and nothing else will do." Sandy Koufax
"There is among us a far closer relationship than the purely social one of a fraternal organization because we are bound together not only by a single interest but by a common goal. To win. Nothing else matters, and nothing else will do." Sandy Koufax
Here you can buy just what you need.
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Rocket,
Before we bought the weighted balls I tried water logged balls. They weighted in about 7-8ozs.
Before we bought the weighted balls I tried water logged balls. They weighted in about 7-8ozs.
Nor'eastDad
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Nor'east Dad,
Thanks. That is about what I estimated!
Has anyone had success with using water logged baseballs as part of a throwing program? How did you use them(program)?
Thanks. That is about what I estimated!
Has anyone had success with using water logged baseballs as part of a throwing program? How did you use them(program)?
Sorry folks, seems like y'all took me seriously 
When I played w/water balls it was only cause I was stupid and lazy! Generally the glove and bat were wet too (prettty good for grip, bat speed and glove side strength) because I left them out in the rain!
My training program went something like:
Running - normally only to the store, to get coach some "Red Man" and a R/C Cola!
Long toss - cuz the I missed the ball and the other guy hollered "HE'S GOING HOME"! And most the time we were tossing that slick, waterlogged baseball because nobody thought to bring one, so we had to hunt the sticker bushes.
"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
When I played w/water balls it was only cause I was stupid and lazy! Generally the glove and bat were wet too (prettty good for grip, bat speed and glove side strength) because I left them out in the rain!
My training program went something like:
Running - normally only to the store, to get coach some "Red Man" and a R/C Cola!
Long toss - cuz the I missed the ball and the other guy hollered "HE'S GOING HOME"! And most the time we were tossing that slick, waterlogged baseball because nobody thought to bring one, so we had to hunt the sticker bushes.
"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
No big deal!!!!
But you have to admit, using water logged baseballs might be a way of getting an entire team on a weighted ball program for far less money. Any thought?
But you have to admit, using water logged baseballs might be a way of getting an entire team on a weighted ball program for far less money. Any thought?
Belated reply to NPHS.
The reason the NPA recommends the 20% rule is because more than that is "too heavy for what the joint and most people's mechanics can handle."
They recommend that if you want to throw something heavier throw a football.
TH
The reason the NPA recommends the 20% rule is because more than that is "too heavy for what the joint and most people's mechanics can handle."
They recommend that if you want to throw something heavier throw a football.
TH
I think the auto censor thing is going a bit far when they BAN the name of one internet site and not another...
I mean if Dick Mills site can be discussed why censor out any other? It is all information and should be available to any who cares to read it.
Also the 20% rule comes from scientific STUDIES of overload training... published in reputable medical journals or other such publications. I don't off-hand remember the exact titles and authors but have read more than one that claim those or very similar facts.
But from what I recall, the OPTIMAL results (IE MUSCLE GAINS) occurred with approx. 20% overloads.... more would tear down the muscles too much to allow recovery and less wouldn't stress muscles enough to provide maximum gains.....
I mean if Dick Mills site can be discussed why censor out any other? It is all information and should be available to any who cares to read it.
Also the 20% rule comes from scientific STUDIES of overload training... published in reputable medical journals or other such publications. I don't off-hand remember the exact titles and authors but have read more than one that claim those or very similar facts.
But from what I recall, the OPTIMAL results (IE MUSCLE GAINS) occurred with approx. 20% overloads.... more would tear down the muscles too much to allow recovery and less wouldn't stress muscles enough to provide maximum gains.....
SDBB,
Totally agree,
I asked one of the moderators why they do that to set... and not any other website. set..., I do not use that, I did, but do not anymore.
But there's no legitimate reason for the censoring.
Hopefully I'll get an answer in a day or two.
Totally agree,
I asked one of the moderators why they do that to set... and not any other website. set..., I do not use that, I did, but do not anymore.
But there's no legitimate reason for the censoring.
Hopefully I'll get an answer in a day or two.
JL - several months ago a certain Richard ( we can call him Dickforshort) thretened legal action for slander and lible.
Throw the football and keep your balls dry!
"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
Throw the football and keep your balls dry!
"You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church." Bill -Spaceman- Lee
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My overload / underload traing consited of water logged baseballs and tennis balls!
Now that's the way to go!
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Originally posted by MTH:
Belated reply to NPHS.
The reason the NPA recommends the 20% rule is because more than that is "too heavy for what the joint and most people's mechanics can handle."
They recommend that if you want to throw something heavier throw a football.
TH
We throw footballs along with band work and medicine ball work a couple of days a week. We are not allowed by our administration to get baseballs out. However, we also throw a weighted softball. We don't do many reps with it but I took self tapping wood screws and made the softball somewhat heavier. We also drew a red line across the softball to ensure that we are not twisting our wrist when we throw. I like what we do. Having said all of this, if I could get a baseball out and throw long instead of some of this other stuff, I'D DO IT IN A HEARTBEAT!
CoachB25...do they also cut off limbs and use the rack where you coach?? 
What is the reasoning behind that? The players can do whatever they want on their own...Right? The seniors can teach a long toss program...Right?
I guess they think the kids will learn too much. Must be the Midwest...
Good Luck!
What is the reasoning behind that? The players can do whatever they want on their own...Right? The seniors can teach a long toss program...Right?I guess they think the kids will learn too much. Must be the Midwest...
Good Luck!