HGH

Regarding testing, I read that MLB after spending $ 500,000 did not come up with a urine test but is very close to an effective blood test which of course, the union is blocking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22286051

While you are at it, scroll down to read "Clemens had better watch his step".

And while scrolling down view the pic of the MS Williams----

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Originally posted by TRhit:
And while scrolling down view the pic of the MS Williams----

TPM

Are tennis players exempt from the same scrutiny regarding PEDS ?

Can we go back to Martina ?---she sure looks different since her tennis playing days

TR,
I understand your point now. However, I am not really into tennis, but I am assuming, being an individual sport, they underwent testing as soon as they competed and none have been associated with deadbeat trainers?

I think that we all can assume that some will do what is necessary to achieve fame and great fortune. If you cheat you are a cheater, no matter what sport you may play. Unfortunetly, guilt by association is powerful in influencing the court of public opinion.

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HGH is and has been everywhere...the general public is a decade or more behind the curve...

Observations...

- The first person, organization to develop a reliable urine test for HGH will be hailed as a hero and will win a big economic prize, so you can be sure that it on the fast track. Getting it implimented politically may be a tougher sell, but if it is on the market, and the public knows it it would be hard to see them skirt it given the upcoming congressional hearings.

- Tennis...If we're throwing names out with only visual evidence Navratilova is a good suspect. But tennis has had a drug testing system in place for years...There have already been a number of Tennis players male and female who have been dinged, but the tennis system is administered pretty much out of the public eye, players simply disappear for a while. Tennis has a bigger issue which is gambling and Match fixing my the Russian Mafia and others which REALLY threatens the sport.

...More visual only evidence in other sports...what about the NBA: Karl Malone, or Kevin Willis...both miracles at at or over 40 and still looking like the incredible hulk, and really cut...and don't even get me started on pro football.

- Have said this before...Victor Conte (Balco)has been quited as saying that says that the chemists are 2 generations (of currently undetectable steroids) ahead already.

- Then there is gene therapy...Sports Illustrated wrote and article on this a few years ago..the ability to take a gene out of the body, modify the instructions and get the bodies OWN body to do most anything...repair, build, tweak, to any level you choose to dial in..and since it is ones own genetic material it is undetectable. Think about that one...

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TPM

I think you might need to stop assuming

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22286051

While you are at it, scroll down to read "Clemens had better watch his step".

I believe Clemens is shooting for "not guilty" as opposed to innocent perception based on a he said/lack of physical proof evidence situation. If he can create enough doubt in the minds of the HOF voters, he gets in.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM

Can we go back to Martina ?---she sure looks different since her tennis playing days

TR,
What's your point? If you want me to stop assuming, you need to clarify your statments. Is there something of value you can add to this discussion?

Can you state the purpose for your posts or is this personal?

TPM


Don't be so darn sensitive--it has nothing to do with being personal


My point in noting MS Williams is that there are numerous bodies out there that nobody questions-- and as for tests "The Rocket" has never failed a test and he supposedly has been tested numerous times


As for assuming perhaps I should do like all the others--assume--- then I would not have people in my face---but that is not me---as far as I am concerned I can think what I want but the named players,until proven to be guilty, are innocent in my eyes and mind.

In this corner on the Dell laptop weighing in at eight ounces .....

And in this corner on the Toshiba laptop also weighing in at eight ounces .....

TR states:
"The Rocket" has never failed a test and he supposedly has been tested numerous times

What does supposedly mean? BTW, you cannot detect HGH by a urine test, MLBPA does not allow blood testing which wouldn't do any good anyway because you don't know what to look for. No one will know based on tests, just by receipts and players telling on others (which they won't do). RC knows he is safe there, it's his word against a bad guy. Well, what the heck where you doing with that guy to begin with?
As far as MS Williams and others looking like they could have taken PED's, it has crossed my mind, but tennis doesn't have the impact that MLB does on the public, or a personal interest for me.

TR states:
As for assuming perhaps I should do like all the others--assume--- then I would not have people in my face---but that is not me---as far as I am concerned I can think what I want but the named players,until proven to be guilty, are innocent in my eyes and mind.

Unfortunetly looking guilty for many will be based on assumption. Did you read the article about At&T pulling their commercial with RC. I guess they are assuming the same thing. Personally I never thought (or didn't want to think perhaps) that the "Rocket" would do that, AP either. I don't want to assume, but what are we all supposed to do? Turn the other way as so many have done for so long?
It's been a pretty hard pill to swallow for many fans of the game.

No one is forcing anyone to assume or believe anything, I do respect your views and I think that it should be returned and no one signaled out, thus is you have something to say it doesn't have to be to my attention, just so those know it's not personal. That would clear up assumptions and misconceptions.

I didn't mean to hijack the original post.

RJM,
I am on my emachine desk top this afternoon, get it straight, no assumptions please.

The Mitchell report didn't "prove" anything. But it certainly gave the public some names and a chance for the public to see how the named players would react to it. In the Rockets case I was very disappointed in the length of time to respond, and the structured "60 minute" interview to "clear" his name. That, is what brings the assumptions of guilt to MY mind.
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IMO If he never used, he would have been talking before sunset the day the Mitchell report came out.