The Collegiate Baseball - Louisville Slugger High School All American list is now published on the Collegiate Baseball web site. The site is baseballnews.com then click on All Americans.
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I didn't see Erik Davis' name on the list. Am I missing something here? unbelievable!
Lots of people have "different" lists.
Sometimes the coaches don't pay attention to the mails/letters which ask for their recommendations for All Americans and why?
Sometimes the coaches don't pay attention to the mails/letters which ask for their recommendations for All Americans and why?
Very true.... many lists depend on the input they receive, and many schools and coaches do not make submitting nominations a priority. I counted 17 CA names out of 194 listed. Based on the usual breakdowns I would have expected to see more than 9% from this area of the country. I don't doubt that all of these players are high profile players and deserving of recognition. But when I spotted several junior players on the list, named over seniors and all from the same state, I tend to wonder how the names for the list were determined.
No kidding. Just found it odd, that Erik Davis, who is from what I have read a tremendous pitcher, signed with a super D1 program, would not make the list, even the second team. You would think somebody as highly regarded as Collegiate Baseball Newspaper would do their homework. Anyway, congrats to all the pre-season all america's. I am sure each and everyone of them are highly deserving.
http://www.baseballnews.com/allamericans/currenthsallamericans.htm
also left out Chris Nelson,
Several GA's players who have not even signed with Div 1 college are listed
a much better list
Pitchers
Jay Rainville,Bishop Hendricksen HS, Pawtucket, RI
Mark Rogers,Mt Ararat HS, Orr’s Island, ME
Nick Adenhart,Williamsport HS, Hagerstown, MD
Homer Bailey , LaGrange H.S. LaGrange, TX
Erik Davis, Mountainview HS,Mountainview CA
Andrew Gale, Phillips Exeter HS, Durham, N.H
Phil Hughes, Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA
Catcher
Alex Garabedian,Columbus H.S. Miami, FL
Neil Walker, Pine Richland H.S. Gibsonia, PA
Chris Garcia,Gulliver Prep H.S.,Miami, FL
Infielders
Chris Nelson, SS,Redan HS Decatur,GA
Matt Bush,Mission Bay H.S. San Diego, CA
Billy Butler, Wolfson H.S. Jacksonville, FL
Eric Campbell,Gibson Southern HS, Owensville, IN
Outfield
Chuck Lofgren, Junipero Serra H.S. Burlingame, CA
Steven Chapman, Marianna HS, Marianna, FL
Michael Taylor, Apopka HS,Apopka FL
also left out Chris Nelson,
Several GA's players who have not even signed with Div 1 college are listed
a much better list
Pitchers
Jay Rainville,Bishop Hendricksen HS, Pawtucket, RI
Mark Rogers,Mt Ararat HS, Orr’s Island, ME
Nick Adenhart,Williamsport HS, Hagerstown, MD
Homer Bailey , LaGrange H.S. LaGrange, TX
Erik Davis, Mountainview HS,Mountainview CA
Andrew Gale, Phillips Exeter HS, Durham, N.H
Phil Hughes, Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA
Catcher
Alex Garabedian,Columbus H.S. Miami, FL
Neil Walker, Pine Richland H.S. Gibsonia, PA
Chris Garcia,Gulliver Prep H.S.,Miami, FL
Infielders
Chris Nelson, SS,Redan HS Decatur,GA
Matt Bush,Mission Bay H.S. San Diego, CA
Billy Butler, Wolfson H.S. Jacksonville, FL
Eric Campbell,Gibson Southern HS, Owensville, IN
Outfield
Chuck Lofgren, Junipero Serra H.S. Burlingame, CA
Steven Chapman, Marianna HS, Marianna, FL
Michael Taylor, Apopka HS,Apopka FL
One really does have to wonder how(and why, especially pre-season) these teams are chosen. California has 17, Florida-19, and Texas-20. Normally, California always leads these teams in numbers. But more interesting is the fact that three individual
highschools have three players each on first and second teams.
Out of the 9 players only 2 are mentioned in Street&Smith.
Congrats to all the players.
Moc1
highschools have three players each on first and second teams.
Out of the 9 players only 2 are mentioned in Street&Smith.
Congrats to all the players.
Moc1
I will agree with some of these HS picks but I see a school in Oklahoma has 3 players represented and the schools team is very average at best. I know Louisville Slugger does a good job but whoever nominated these Oklahoma players did not do their homework. Several very projectable players were left off this list which is unfortunate but I see Eastern Oklahoma POLITICS at it;s best.
Midwestprospects.com
Midwestprospects.com
Well, if ED's not on the list, they obviously have no clue what they're doing.
I HATE politics in baseball. It's so useless and everyone sees it for what it is.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
I HATE politics in baseball. It's so useless and everyone sees it for what it is.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
I may be wrong, but I see some players from our area that made all county due to stats. You think this is a stats thing?
I can't believe it would be stats. As TRhit has pointed out, stats really aren't that meaningful. Players may be playing in a less dominating league and rack up near perfect stats while another kid may be playing toughest division and have merely admirable stats.
Can't believe it's that. But........
I gave up on these lists after seeing the Baseball America list for my state. It was pretty funny.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
Can't believe it's that. But........
I gave up on these lists after seeing the Baseball America list for my state. It was pretty funny.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
I would suggest that some of you look for the stats. You might be surprized. One never even played last year.
"There is among us a far closer relationship than the purely social one of a fraternal organization because we are bound together not only by a single interest but by a common goal. To win. Nothing else matters, and nothing else will do." Sandy Koufax
"There is among us a far closer relationship than the purely social one of a fraternal organization because we are bound together not only by a single interest but by a common goal. To win. Nothing else matters, and nothing else will do." Sandy Koufax
So who puts this list out? How does it get compiled?
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
You can't get caught up in these lists. Coachs receive the paperwork and some send them in and some don't for whatever reasons. Also the stats that are sent in are a big reason kids are picked. We have already covered how stats can be skewed dramatically. A kid in a weak league even though he might be a good pitcher could have great stats. A kid in a very competitive league might not have as good as stats but could be alot better pitcher. I have nominated two kids for the Louisville Slugger Team. One made it and the other one did not. There are other factors outside of field performance that go into making the team. There are several questions that deal with community and extra cirrucular stuff as well. Just because a kid does not make the team does not mean he is not worthy. You guys know that it really does not mean a thing come draft day or signing day.
Its really no different than going into All Conference selection meetings at the end of the year. Some coachs come in and nominate just about every player they have. Teams that went 500 in the league have 6 guys that hit over 400? I have always just nominated the ones that I truely felt deserved the recognition so I dont diminish what they had done that year. Coachs are just different.
I know Collegiate Baseball said they recieved over 1000 nominations from Coaches and they do their best to check them out but there is always deserving kids left off of lists like this and some who made it who might not should be there. It is a neat deal to make it but the college coaches and pro scouts know who the best players really are. Anyway congrats to all of these young men.
JUNIORS GOT NOTHING TO DO THERE
This list should be limited for seniors only.
When it come to juniors, they left out some of the best out there, there is next year for juniors. But you know politics and "who you know"
play a big role in the selection of these players.
This list should be limited for seniors only.
When it come to juniors, they left out some of the best out there, there is next year for juniors. But you know politics and "who you know"
play a big role in the selection of these players.
EYE
Why do you always lean into the politics aspect--- ah yes--you are from the state without a governor
Folks
If you watch carefully in upcoming issues of CB a lot of the missing names will show up---most of their input comes from the kids coaches and if the coaches do not submit info on time kids get missed initially-- some coaches put more effort into backing their kids than others-- did I hear the word "MARKETING"?
I have found in the past that they do a pretty decent job of "covering the waterfront' by the time HS baseball season really gets rolling.
TRhit
Why do you always lean into the politics aspect--- ah yes--you are from the state without a governor
Folks
If you watch carefully in upcoming issues of CB a lot of the missing names will show up---most of their input comes from the kids coaches and if the coaches do not submit info on time kids get missed initially-- some coaches put more effort into backing their kids than others-- did I hear the word "MARKETING"?
I have found in the past that they do a pretty decent job of "covering the waterfront' by the time HS baseball season really gets rolling.
TRhit
It is what it is. It's a list.
What makes things hard to swallow sometimes is not who is not on the list, but who is on the list which discredits the list.
There is a 1st Team RHP from ALA on the list which throws 78 to 80 mph. Rated by PG as a 6 and 7. and there is LHP from Miami, Gino ???? throws mid 90's, and is not on the list.
You have to wonder how much politicing is involved. This not a complaint, thats life. But for someone to deny that it doesnot exist is foolish.
Its just a list.
Congratulations to all that made it.
Michael Vick never made 1st Team All Conference in High School either.
What makes things hard to swallow sometimes is not who is not on the list, but who is on the list which discredits the list.
There is a 1st Team RHP from ALA on the list which throws 78 to 80 mph. Rated by PG as a 6 and 7. and there is LHP from Miami, Gino ???? throws mid 90's, and is not on the list.
You have to wonder how much politicing is involved. This not a complaint, thats life. But for someone to deny that it doesnot exist is foolish.
Its just a list.
Congratulations to all that made it.
Michael Vick never made 1st Team All Conference in High School either.
Just curious how a team with three HS All-Americans on it(Pryor,OK and Nova, Ft Lauderdale) are not ranked in the top 25
teams in America.
Moc1
teams in America.
Moc1
It's all a numbers game, besides its all about production - if you produce you will get noticed
PRODUCTION leads to seperation from the rest, and there lies your ticket to the next level
PRODUCTION leads to seperation from the rest, and there lies your ticket to the next level
HEgone,
Welcome to the Hsbbweb! I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. While "production", ie stats seem to be important to Mom and Dad and Jr., I don't think college coaches pay that much attention.
I think this list is a perfect example. If these kids were chosen for this list primarily because of their stats, that's really too bad. Because as TRhit has pointed out so many times, stats really don't mean anything.
For instance, take a pitcher in a weak league who has a .070 ERA and plunk him down in a more difficult league-BAM, now he's a 17 ERA.
Or the Home Run king who faces nothing but puss ball throwers. What might his average be in a different league?
There are too many variables to compile lists based on stats.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
Welcome to the Hsbbweb! I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. While "production", ie stats seem to be important to Mom and Dad and Jr., I don't think college coaches pay that much attention.
I think this list is a perfect example. If these kids were chosen for this list primarily because of their stats, that's really too bad. Because as TRhit has pointed out so many times, stats really don't mean anything.
For instance, take a pitcher in a weak league who has a .070 ERA and plunk him down in a more difficult league-BAM, now he's a 17 ERA.
Or the Home Run king who faces nothing but puss ball throwers. What might his average be in a different league?
There are too many variables to compile lists based on stats.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
M&M Right on!
Moc1
Moc1
M & M,
Great point! As I mentioned earlier, I see some kids on this list who I know had high stats and I know they don't even know where they are going to school next year. Maybe being on the "list" will help them to get noticed...
Great point! As I mentioned earlier, I see some kids on this list who I know had high stats and I know they don't even know where they are going to school next year. Maybe being on the "list" will help them to get noticed...
I have some idea how some of the kids are chosen...
The most obvious...
Coaches cooperating and sending in the information about the kid when requested!
I know they get some from college coaches and scouts, but plenty of them who play for smaller schools and low profile programs are on the list simply because their coach sent in the information and the editors selected their players!
Nothing magical about it. Some of these names are on because of their coach and his cooperation in presenting them to the editors of CB. I've seen some Illinois kids on it that I've never heard of and I think I have a good "feel" for Illinois high school baseball (especially the bigger schools).
I will, however, check a couple of the locals out this spring and report to the group.
The most obvious...
Coaches cooperating and sending in the information about the kid when requested!
I know they get some from college coaches and scouts, but plenty of them who play for smaller schools and low profile programs are on the list simply because their coach sent in the information and the editors selected their players!
Nothing magical about it. Some of these names are on because of their coach and his cooperation in presenting them to the editors of CB. I've seen some Illinois kids on it that I've never heard of and I think I have a good "feel" for Illinois high school baseball (especially the bigger schools).
I will, however, check a couple of the locals out this spring and report to the group.