high school swing

I think

1. Too wide, you lose enormous amounts of power.
2. No hip coil, one of the main source of power.
3. The stride is too early, this doesn't allow my timing to be very good..again it is just ME.
4. The hands go way up and his bat is not in a hitting position as you stride forward (shoulder/hip separation, aka the X factor, one of the main sources of power.)
5. Good hand path
6. Good weight shift
7. Good extension

That's pretty much it for me; that's what I noticed and I'm no expert.

Coil, stretch (create the Corner), use the stretch to launch.

He does none of these things. He can be wide, that's fine. He can get the foot down early IF he continues to stretch (most don't). The hands can do whatever he wants them to do AS LONG as he retracts the scapula.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Coil, stretch (create the Corner), use the stretch to launch.

He does none of these things. He can be wide, that's fine. He can get the foot down early IF he continues to stretch (most don't). The hands can do whatever he wants them to do AS LONG as he retracts the scapula.

We work on loading the hands as he takes his stride (stretch). Are you saying he needs to bring his hands back more towards his head? I know he has hip coil but it is slight,is it because of his wide stance?

To learn the correct way to swing... (yes you can use this in a game too)

Coil the hip in the stance as far as it'll go
Pick up the lead leg and coil some more
Pinch the scapula towards the spine (Do not give it up)
Turn the barrel rearward... and feel the whip

All of these should make the hip socket feel tighter. If one doesn't, you're doing it wrong. Whatever coil he gets he doesn't use properly. The coil is ONE part of the resistance.

The hands can move back towards the head, but they don't need to. All you have to do is pinch the scap. The hands can move back as a result (Kent) or the hands don't move back (Longoria). It's style.

There are only a handful of absolutes. There are literally thousands of styles.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
To learn the correct way to swing... (yes you can use this in a game too)

Coil the hip in the stance as far as it'll go
Pick up the lead leg and coil some more
Pinch the scapula towards the spine (Do not give it up)
Turn the barrel rearward... and feel the whip

All of these should make the hip socket feel tighter. If one doesn't, you're doing it wrong. Whatever coil he gets he doesn't use properly. The coil is ONE part of the resistance.

The hands can move back towards the head, but they don't need to. All you have to do is pinch the scap. The hands can move back as a result (Kent) or the hands don't move back (Longoria). It's style.

There are only a handful of absolutes. There are literally thousands of styles.

Okay, thanks I agree he can coil better.

The load of your hands give you a loopy swing.

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Originally posted by LAball:
The load of your hands give you a loopy swing.

Don't understand what is meant by loopy.

The swing just looks loopy, long to the ball. Early wrist unhinging also.

At first glance, looks way too tight of a body and swing.

I also see the following strike zone 'holes'

- way up and in
- down and in
- down and out
- mid out.

Strongly suggest borrow a HD camera,
and film from the side and rear hitting off a tee.

Move the tee around and see if/how the hands
either stay inside or extend.

I see a need to improve
- Remove the Punch and Judy approach
- zero backside hitting mechanics
- limited to zero weight transfer

Bat speed is ok, yet could be improved a heckuva lot.

Maybe envision a Dustin Pedroia approach, and that would mean a restructure

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Originally posted by Bear:
At first glance, looks way too tight of a body and swing.

Agree, needs to be more relaxed

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I also see the following strike zone 'holes'

- way up and in
- down and in
- down and out
- mid out.

The only one I would agree with here is the down and in.

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Strongly suggest borrow a HD camera,
and film from the side and rear hitting off a tee.

The camcorder is HD, but the software was one of those free trial
"File converter" I downloaded from the internet. Probably need to purchase better software.

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I see a need to improve
- Remove the Punch and Judy approach
- zero backside hitting mechanics
- limited to zero weight transfer

Not a punch and Judy hitter, please explain back side mechanics and I agree needs better weight transfer.

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Bat speed is ok, yet could be improved a heckuva lot.

Maybe envision a Dustin Pedroia approach, and that would mean a restructure

Thanks for taking the time to evalaute.

Swing isn't bad. If you missed the memo, homeruns are a novelty these days. The Arizona Wildcats just won the College World Series on a foundation of hitting the ball hard on the ground. With the state of the BBCOR 90% of High School players need to be focused on hitting hard ground balls that turn into line drives with back spin, and forget about the days of lofting the ball into the air and it falling over the fence.

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Originally posted by Sportswise Online: With the state of the BBCOR 90% of High School players need to be focused on hitting hard ground balls that turn into line drives with back spin, and forget about the days of lofting the ball into the air and it falling over the fence.

Absolute nonsense, over 90% of high school players don't have the mechanics to hit it over the fence regularly. Ground balls are outs. Line drives are hits. Fly balls produce runs.

In the MLB, 70% (perhaps more) of ground balls are outs.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by Sportswise Online: With the state of the BBCOR 90% of High School players need to be focused on hitting hard ground balls that turn into line drives with back spin, and forget about the days of lofting the ball into the air and it falling over the fence.

Absolute nonsense, over 90% of high school players don't have the mechanics to hit it over the fence regularly. Ground balls are outs. Line drives are hits. Fly balls produce runs.

In the MLB, 70% (perhaps more) of ground balls are outs.

Maybe it's just me, but that post doesn't make any sense.

Of course I don't see how hard ground balls are going to turn into line drives either.

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by Sportswise Online: With the state of the BBCOR 90% of High School players need to be focused on hitting hard ground balls that turn into line drives with back spin, and forget about the days of lofting the ball into the air and it falling over the fence.

Absolute nonsense, over 90% of high school players don't have the mechanics to hit it over the fence regularly. Ground balls are outs. Line drives are hits. Fly balls produce runs.

In the MLB, 70% (perhaps more) of ground balls are outs.

Maybe it's just me, but that post doesn't make any sense.

Of course I don't see how hard ground balls are going to turn into line drives either.

What part doesn't make sense?

If it's the mechanics part, I'm talking about a set of mechanics that you don't agree with.

Any of it. Percentage claims with no basis in facts. NOBODY hits the ball over the fence regularly. So "90%" means nothing.
Ground balls are outs? LOL, only if the defense can get to it and make the play. There is a definite lack of coaching on all levels of defense.
Line drives are not hits if somebody catches them. Fly balls do not produce runs in and of themselves.

It is much easier to record an out catching the ball in the air than having to field a ground ball and make a throw.

Most HS ball players are capable of catching the ball when it is hit in the air if they can get to it.

So what the MLB? MLB and HS are two entirely different sets of capabilities.

It's not BBCOR, it's the hitters. We had 4 back to back HRs in one inning this year. If they hit it, it will go.

Trying to live off the HR is the most inefficient way I can think of to run a season. BBCOR or no.

HRs are accidents, not offensive strategies.

Set of mechanics I disagree with? How do you know that?

"Fly balls produce runs"? How?

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Originally posted by NDD:
We had 4 back to back HRs in one inning this year.

Why can't we face pitching like that?

LOL, we were getting one-hit by the same guy for 4 innings before that.

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Originally posted by NDD:
Trying to live off the HR is the most inefficient way I can think of to run a season. BBCOR or no.

HRs are accidents, not offensive strategies.

Set of mechanics I disagree with? How do you know that?

Because (based on what we've discussed in the "hands cues" thread) you think the shoulders and elbows are doing the actions.

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Originally posted by NDD:
"Fly balls produce runs"? How?

At the MLB level, someone calculated that fly balls led to .70 runs, while ground balls led to .20 runs.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:
Trying to live off the HR is the most inefficient way I can think of to run a season. BBCOR or no.

HRs are accidents, not offensive strategies.

Set of mechanics I disagree with? How do you know that?

Because (based on what we've discussed in the "hands cues" thread) you think the shoulders and elbows are doing the actions.

Amazing.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:
"Fly balls produce runs"? How?

At the MLB level, someone calculated that fly balls led to .70 runs, while ground balls led to .20 runs.

Gross over-simplification. Three fly balls do not beget a run, they beget the other team batting. There is a difference between sacrifice flies with runners on third and "fly balls create runs". You are completely ignoring how the runner got to third with less than 2 outs in the first place.

Fly balls do not create runs.

You are also ignoring the difference between HS and MLB baseball. And the fact that every MLB infielder was the All-District SS on his HS team while on a HS team, there may be one All-District player anywhere on the field. not to mention the fact that while the infield is the same size, the players are not nor do most HS infielders have the kind of arms one sees in the MLB.

Hitting fly balls in HS will allow even a mediocre fielder to make a play. It's all anyone practices anymore.

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:
Trying to live off the HR is the most inefficient way I can think of to run a season. BBCOR or no.

HRs are accidents, not offensive strategies.

Set of mechanics I disagree with? How do you know that?

Because (based on what we've discussed in the "hands cues" thread) you think the shoulders and elbows are doing the actions.

Amazing.

Not amazing at all. You believe in setting posture, connecting, and rotating.

I believe in coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip ,and turning the barrel.

If you have the correct sequence, you're more likely to hit the ball hard. And that means more home runs. Guys who use the hands and rear hip correctly hit with power. Guys who spin around can hit with power, when they contact the ball.

It's a "deep whoosh" vs. "out front".

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:
Trying to live off the HR is the most inefficient way I can think of to run a season. BBCOR or no.

HRs are accidents, not offensive strategies.

Set of mechanics I disagree with? How do you know that?

Because (based on what we've discussed in the "hands cues" thread) you think the shoulders and elbows are doing the actions.

Amazing.

Not amazing at all. You believe in setting posture, connecting, and rotating.

I believe in coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip ,and turning the barrel.

If you have the correct sequence, you're more likely to hit the ball hard. And that means more home runs. Guys who use the hands and rear hip correctly hit with power. Guys who spin around can hit with power, when they contact the ball.

It's a "deep whoosh" vs. "out front".

pcr..uh oh..lol..how many years will he lose?..If he doesnt figure it out by sophomore year it will be strike 3 all day long.been there..but only momentarily ..whe

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Not amazing at all. You believe in setting posture, connecting, and rotating.

I believe in coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip ,and turning the barrel.

If you have the correct sequence, you're more likely to hit the ball hard. And that means more home runs. Guys who use the hands and rear hip correctly hit with power. Guys who spin around can hit with power, when they contact the ball.

It's a "deep whoosh" vs. "out front".

What's amazing is you telling me what I believe and how little you understand of the written word. "Coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip" (whatever that means) sounds like setting posture to me. Turning the barrel? No idea, but turn and rotate are synonyms. I never told you what I believe, swinging a bat isn't a belief system. You assumed it.

How many HRs did you hit this year?

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Not amazing at all. You believe in setting posture, connecting, and rotating.

I believe in coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip ,and turning the barrel.

If you have the correct sequence, you're more likely to hit the ball hard. And that means more home runs. Guys who use the hands and rear hip correctly hit with power. Guys who spin around can hit with power, when they contact the ball.

It's a "deep whoosh" vs. "out front".

What's amazing is you telling me what I believe and how little you understand of the written word. "Coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip" (whatever that means) sounds like setting posture to me. Turning the barrel? No idea, but turn and rotate are synonyms. I never told you what I believe, swinging a bat isn't a belief system. You assumed it.

How many HRs did you hit this year?

Coiling and stretching IS NOT setting posture. Turn the barrel= top hand swivel! I hurt my shoulder, so everything has been touch and go in terms of playing.

Whatever, you're really not worth the aggravation.

Of course it is "setting posture". It is every bit a posture in hitting as it is in something like yoga. Posture does not have to be static.

"top hand swivel" - Lovely. Another platitude.

I'm sorry you hurt your shoulder, but it doesn't answer the question. The school season was over in May or June.

How do I aggravate you?

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Not amazing at all. You believe in setting posture, connecting, and rotating.

I believe in coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip ,and turning the barrel.

If you have the correct sequence, you're more likely to hit the ball hard. And that means more home runs. Guys who use the hands and rear hip correctly hit with power. Guys who spin around can hit with power, when they contact the ball.

It's a "deep whoosh" vs. "out front".

What's amazing is you telling me what I believe and how little you understand of the written word. "Coiling the rear hip, stretching the hands from the rear hip" (whatever that means) sounds like setting posture to me. Turning the barrel? No idea, but turn and rotate are synonyms. I never told you what I believe, swinging a bat isn't a belief system. You assumed it.

How many HRs did you hit this year?

Coiling and stretching IS NOT setting posture. Turn the barrel= top hand swivel! I hurt my shoulder, so everything has been touch and go in terms of playing.

Whatever, you're really not worth the aggravation.

"p"..dont waste your time..ya got another know it all here..just let the game run over him..

Thank you

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Originally posted by NDD:
Thank you

no problem,,you deserve it

Normally I wouldn't bother but in this case I'm curious. Exactly what do I "deserve" And why?