High School workout/ or practice?? Whats legal these days???

I agree with you if that is actually the case, but that is a hopeful assumption. From what they were telling me it sounded like two separate programs that do not take into account what the other one is doing.

That's unfortunate. Our coaches actually encourage their players to lift with the football team. If the kids lift with the football coach, it's one less that the basketball coach or baseball coach has to worry about getting into the weight room

In fact, for at least a little while, they were splitting morning responsibilities and any of them would supervise any of the other coaches' kids in the weight room.

Why can't coaches from the same school get along?

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
Why can't coaches from the same school get along?

... because some coaches view other sports as a way to keep their kids in shape and competitive while others seem to be afraid that the athlete will choose another sport and "specialize" - so they make their sport a year-round commitment.

While most of the people on here probably agree that baseball is #1, I don't know how many agree with:

• playing baseball in the spring, then the summer, then the fall, concluding the cycle with workouts/conditioning in the winter
  VS
  
• playing in the spring & summer then taking a break and playing football/futbol in the fall and/or basketball in the winter.
  

If coaches are violating IHSA rules in the off season that is unfortunate. However, there are many coaches out there giving extra time to be in the weight room/open gyms abiding to the rules of the IHSA. If you guys really think coaches are abusing their student athletes, call up the coaches you have issues with. If you are only hearing the story from high school athletes, sometimes you haven't heard the whole story.

Welcome to the board Coach Beyna, always appreciate the thoughts and views of the guys doing the coaching.

I agree with you Terry. Now a days these kids are spread so thin. I don't mind if my athletes are doing the football workouts. All I care about is that they are doing something and staying active, preparing themselves for the season. Not only that, but I don't want to force a kid to make a decision as to whether they want to play football or baseball. I may lose a great kid. I would hope the football players would want to come and lift (whatever they lifts they want) when other baseball players are lifting for the simple fact that this is a team and they want the comraderie going into the season. If not, that's fine too. I can't make a kid do something he doesn't want to do. If he has the same goals as his teammates hopefully he'll do what it takes to be successful. Good luck to everyone this Spring.

Pigs

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Buttermaker eh? Where do you turn this thing on?



Seriously...welcome to the HSBBW...all things butter and baseball!

We have a very simple philosophy with our athletes at our school. We want you active.

#1 Play another sport. You cannot simulate that kind of competition in the weight room.

#2 If you do not play another sport, myself, the football coach and the futbol coach have the weight room open every day. You should take advantage of that. If you are not in another sport, you should also take advantage of open gyms.

We all encourage our athletes to play other sports first. However, I don't believe that a coach should tell a kid to play another sport. That is up to the kid and their parents. We just make it clear that we encourage our athletes to be active.

I also encourage these kids to play other sports. Not many kids get to follow their dream to the next level. They should take advantage of participating in HS athletics if they can. Not only that, they are being competitive on a daily basis. That's something that is extremely hard to duplicate. They seem to just have that edge and have been in pressure situations before. I want that kid up to bat, or on the mound in a tough situation b/c they've been there before.

Pigs

I hesitated to get involved in this but here goes. First of all I personally encourage my players to play a fall sport at our school as our enrollment is 1400 and we need to cooperate to be competitive in all of our programs. Also I think kids benefit from playing other sports in the fall. That being said..... Illinois is the only state that has 3 legal baseball seasons where the HS coach may coach their kids. Fall baseball originated because there were schools down south that did not offer football in the fall. The schools up north have taken advantage of this rule and have offered fall programs during the ihsa's window of time to participate. The ihsa does not like to make amendments to their rules so thus ihsa baseball in the fall. During this period HS coaches CAN coach their kids, they CAN use their facilities, and they CAN play games and practices under their school name. Their have been proposals to challenge fall and summer baseball on a yearly basis but most have failed to get the necessary votes to bring change. I will say that our conference (Western Sun) does not allow for (school sponsored) fall baseball. The coaches voted as a group to not put pressure on the kids to drop fall sports. We all have schools below 2000 kids for the most part. Obviously they could play in other organized fall baseball programs but not a school program.

Smart move coach!

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Illinois is the only state that has 3 legal baseball seasons where the HS coach may coach their kids. Fall baseball originated because there were schools down south that did not offer football in the fall. The schools up north have taken advantage of this rule and have offered fall programs during the ihsa's window of time to participate

I thought you could only have Fall Baseball IF you didn't have football? I'll see what I can dig up to see if there's any truth to it, or if it's just me making things up

It's a regular MSL party in here!

Hey guys, welcome. I just want to let you both know (Beyna & "Pigs") that your two programs seem to be two that adhere to the supposed rules. I love working with your kids and look forward to watching their hard work pay off this spring!

Just to jump into the mix, GBS is correct, there are 3 seasons of baseball in Illinois, all of which can be instructed by the coach (practice or game).

Open gyms refer to the myriad of activities that are provided for participation.

Open gyms in which coaches watch players throw or hit but do not coach are illegal because the gym is tailored for the improvement of one specific sport.

Senior or Captain led practices or excuse me open gyms are illegal.

There can be no structure to an open gym whether it be at a off-site facility or within the schools gymnasium.

Coaches/seniors/captains who are organizing an open gym with specific drills are illegal.

What can we do?

Coaches can work with 2 players individually at any one time for no specific period of time on sport specific skills.

Coaches can provide conditioning opportunities to all athletes which in turn develop their athleticism.

Develop a program that is comitted to developing athleticism, athletic ability, etc. Gets more athletes involved and more coaches from across sports communicating.

As mentioned earlier baseball coaches can instruct players during the fall season. The ihsa has specified weeks for practice and then specified weeks in which games can be played. The original thought was that fall baseball would be allowed for those schools that don't have football. It has expanded to the point where student/athletes that do not play a fall sport can play fall ball at some schools. At our school our AD will not allow fall baseball to occur nor would I be able to coach it because I coach football. My belief is that fall baseball should be allowed under certain guidelines. Once the school year begins and football is well underway (approximately two to three weeks) fall baseball could begin. I believe this because what about the athletes who do not play a fall sport or who are just baseball players? Why can't they hone their craft or be active in some way or fashion. It seems to me more of a punishment not to be allowed to do something besides watching TV or playing video games. Realize that I want our would like our athletes to do as much as they can i.e. play different sports because it really is the only time in their life where they compete and have fun doing it but... there should be an alternative if they so desire. On a different note, Baseball unlike other sports during the summer is not bound by the 25 day contact rule. I found this out a couple of summers ago when our school was fortunate enough to make it to the summer state playoffs. Athletic directors and other school administrators will state I'm wrong but they are misinformed of the rule. Just a little FYI. Also the ihsa hesitates to change any baseball rules in place because of the strong tradition of the Illinois Baseball Coaches Association. Think about how many other high school sport associations meet monthly and carry the clout that the baseball association does. Heck, we start this month with our own baseball meetings; the SSBCA or the South Suburban Baseball Coaches Association which consists of 33 teams.

There are a lot more options out there for kids who want to play baseball in the fall. It did not used to be that way. Granted, some of those options cost $$$ and they all compete at different levels. We do NOT do the high school thing at Naperville Central and I have not found that to be a problem. Playing other sports is a fine thing but many times coaches make it hard to do both well. At some point, many of the kids feel like they have to choose between one or the other. Where do they get that from? Don't rightly know the answer to that.

If you want to get better at baseball, I think it is all about the reps. Where you get the reps probably doesn't matter as much, as long as you get them somewhere. In our house, baseball is a 12 month sport and that is how you get better at baseball. It is not an easy sport to learn.

I was really cold out there after school today catching fly balls from coach's fungo. Cleaned up my drop step somewhat however. Was this a legal action on his part?

Ripcord51,

According to "the rules"

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Coaches can work with 2 players individually at any one time for no specific period of time on sport specific skills.

Since it's IL and we have weather issues ... you're good

Thanks Rat Just checking. We are headed out there again after school today. Tough to stay out there more than about one hour at a time with it being about 40 below. Today is throwing to bases workout. Should be good.

If you're practicing now as a team (more than two) you would be breaking the rules according to the ihsa. In fact, if you organized practices or were a part of any type of practices you would be in violation after approximately the first week in November. Which is when the fall season ends.