What is considered a good home to first time for a right-handed hitting shortstop?
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Well I have seen a 3.5 once from a SS but I would say average of maybe 3.8?
DBC, with all due respect, your numbers are WAY off. the "bench-mark" for righty home-first times is 4.2 (50 on a 20-80 scale). Maybe you were thinking of 30yrd dash times (no swing) DBC?
DBC, your post seems a closer to what I thought. My 2009 son, ran a 6.87 sixty at a PG recent event. His home-to-first time they said was 4.56. He either gets a slow start or he has great top-end speed after 30 yards. I'm kinda scrathing my head on this one.
3.5 is pretty much unheard of. Ichiro is about a 3.7. If you're at 4 flat or under then that would be considered "plus"
NCMtnBBDad, check out this older thread for some info on running times:
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2976083255/...401011002#8401011002
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2976083255/...401011002#8401011002
MLB benchmark 4.3 for right handers and 4.2 for left handers. That came from MLB scout here in Texas.
Here is the 8 point system some MLB organizations use:
Exceptional
Well Above Avg.
Above Avg.
Average
Below Avg.
Well Below Avg.
Poor
60 Yard time:
Exceptional - 6.4 Less
Well Above Avg. - 6.60 - 6.51
Above Avg. - 6.80 - 6.61
Average - 7.00 - 6.81
Below Avg. - 7.30 - 7.01
Well Below Avg. - 7.50 - 7.31
Poor - 7.70 - 7.51
Home to 1b left handed batter
Exceptional - 3.9
Well Above Avg. - 4.0
Above Avg.- 4.1
Average - 4.2
Below Avg. - 4.3
Well Below Avg. - 4.4
Poor - 4.5
home to 1b right handed batter
Exceptional - 4.0
Well Above Avg. - 4.1
Above Avg. - 4.2
Average - 4.3
Below Avg. - 4.4
Well Below Avg. - 4.5
Poor - 4.6
Steal of second base
Exceptional - 3.00 Less
Well Above Avg. - 3.10 - 3.01
Above Avg. - 3.15 - 3.11
Average - 3.25 - 3.16
Below Avg. - 3.30 - 3.24
Well Below Avg. - 3.40 - 3.29
Poor - 3.60 - 3.48
Exceptional
Well Above Avg.
Above Avg.
Average
Below Avg.
Well Below Avg.
Poor
60 Yard time:
Exceptional - 6.4 Less
Well Above Avg. - 6.60 - 6.51
Above Avg. - 6.80 - 6.61
Average - 7.00 - 6.81
Below Avg. - 7.30 - 7.01
Well Below Avg. - 7.50 - 7.31
Poor - 7.70 - 7.51
Home to 1b left handed batter
Exceptional - 3.9
Well Above Avg. - 4.0
Above Avg.- 4.1
Average - 4.2
Below Avg. - 4.3
Well Below Avg. - 4.4
Poor - 4.5
home to 1b right handed batter
Exceptional - 4.0
Well Above Avg. - 4.1
Above Avg. - 4.2
Average - 4.3
Below Avg. - 4.4
Well Below Avg. - 4.5
Poor - 4.6
Steal of second base
Exceptional - 3.00 Less
Well Above Avg. - 3.10 - 3.01
Above Avg. - 3.15 - 3.11
Average - 3.25 - 3.16
Below Avg. - 3.30 - 3.24
Well Below Avg. - 3.40 - 3.29
Poor - 3.60 - 3.48
Thats really weird because one practice I was timed at running a 3.8. When I hit a ball deep in the hole at Short or Second I rarely am out. When it comes to running short distances I do very well. But I run a high 6 low 7. How can I improve my 60?
Sorry I was thinking without swing.
All-shortstop,
I have a simular issue where my home-first is good and my 60 is not as good. I posted a question simular to yours in a thread on this forum that I believe was called "a speed 'issue'". I found the responses quite enlightening.
I have a simular issue where my home-first is good and my 60 is not as good. I posted a question simular to yours in a thread on this forum that I believe was called "a speed 'issue'". I found the responses quite enlightening.
quote:Originally posted by All-starshortstop3:
Thats really weird because one practice I was timed at running a 3.8. When I hit a ball deep in the hole at Short or Second I rarely am out. When it comes to running short distances I do very well. But I run a high 6 low 7. How can I improve my 60?
It is more than likely a arm motion problem, but it could also be conditioning or your stride length vs. stride frequency. You may actually be in flight later in your run, so you may need to shorten your stride length or train to get your stride quicker. Plyometric exercise and form running will help. If you are interested, PM me and I will send you a free link to go to for speed training exercises.
quote:Originally posted by MAXX:
Here is the 8 point system some MLB organizations use:
Exceptional
Well Above Avg.
Above Avg.
Average
Below Avg.
Well Below Avg.
Poor
60 Yard time:
Exceptional - 6.4 Less
Well Above Avg. - 6.60 - 6.51
Above Avg. - 6.80 - 6.61
Average - 7.00 - 6.81
Below Avg. - 7.30 - 7.01
Well Below Avg. - 7.50 - 7.31
Poor - 7.70 - 7.51
Home to 1b left handed batter
Exceptional - 3.9
Well Above Avg. - 4.0
Above Avg.- 4.1
Average - 4.2
Below Avg. - 4.3
Well Below Avg. - 4.4
Poor - 4.5
home to 1b right handed batter
Exceptional - 4.0
Well Above Avg. - 4.1
Above Avg. - 4.2
Average - 4.3
Below Avg. - 4.4
Well Below Avg. - 4.5
Poor - 4.6
Steal of second base
Exceptional - 3.00 Less
Well Above Avg. - 3.10 - 3.01
Above Avg. - 3.15 - 3.11
Average - 3.25 - 3.16
Below Avg. - 3.30 - 3.24
Well Below Avg. - 3.40 - 3.29
Poor - 3.60 - 3.48
When these home to first times are taken, are the players swinging and the time starts at contact?
You could start the clock at contact, but typically, I have them start in their batting stance without a bat and I just watch for foot movement. As soon as I see one of their feet move, I start the clock.
definately at contact ~!
Yes, true times are taken at contact.
quote:Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
Yes, true times are taken at contact.
Thanks for the info guys!
The key is to be consistant in how you take your times when using them as a measure of progress. I coach softball, so I am not concerned about what my players' times are in comparison to the "standards." What I care about is whether or not the training program is helping them attain faster times than our previous testing session. So it's more important to me to replicate the exact same type of timing during every session.
To add, times really should only be taken during an actual game and contact is the best way to make sure times are consistant from timing to timing.