How Can game stats differ from season stats ?

How are the stats produced - could be an input or a program problem

I always thought they were Auto updated from the game stats.

bobblehead
Oficial scorer can change his decision later on, even days after game have finished.

It was clear that the runner reached on an error and rvrn scored on an error. Both teams had the same decision. One time last year it flipped back and forth twice over a 2week period. Both teams still have same results originally posted.

The only thing of importance is whether or not they won the game---

Yes they won and he got his 1st college save on openning day so we are thrilled. I am still curious how stats change days after the game is over especially when both scorers agree. My son cares but he would never say anything about it.

bobbleheaddoll
Let it go---he got the save and the team won--

Well, if he gets 20 or 30 innings in, the central tendency of his skill level will be evidenced in the statistics. It is difficult to see who is who until they play 10 or 15 games.

Yeah, a 3.00 ERA is twice as nice as 6.00, but if he is a 3.00 ERA pitcher, that will be reflected in the stats soon enough.

Sorta tough to see how college kids are doing a game or two into the season.

Stats are very close, but not perfect, 100% of the time.

It's called "kids keeping score"; or, coaches changing the score/scoring after the game.

I've always felt pitchers and especially parents of pitchers are a little more sensitive toward stats than position players. Stats are for those who make the game an indvidual event, and from a players standpoint stat watching is taboo in my mind.

My son has an unusual approach to stats and that is breaking it down to THIS PITCH and your success or failure is based on your last pitch. That approach can be carried over to AB's also. The accumulation of those events is what gets put on a stat page but the game itself is made up of multiple events by a complete team. Stats are overrated and every team has players with good numbers that has not their his job, along with players with not so good numbers but have done what it takes to win.

I guess the question is more how the stats work not about my son's stats.
I am not used tp stats changing from the game stats to the official season stats.
This is the 1st time I have seen this. You would think the stats are drived automatically from the game stats and that they would change the game stats which would be reflected automatically in the totals for the season. It happened last year and again this year.
Does anyone know how these stats are kept in the NCAA ?

Your son stats should only reflect that he has one earned run.

I never have paid attention whether sons stats differed from game to game.

I agree with TR. let it go, your son's team won and he got the save, that's all that matters.

Congratulations!

Bobble,

I know where your coming from.

I remember a MLB game that the home town scorekeeper gave a great hitter a hit on an obvious error. It cost my son 2 earned runs. I think if everyone here saw the play, 90% or more would have scored it an error.

Even talked to my son about, asked him how they could score that a hit? He didn't seem to care and said he did hit it pretty hard. He was just glad that they won that game.

I think these things bother parents more than they bother the players. It bothered me and I will always remember that IMO scoring mistake. It can make a big difference in a relief pitcher's ERA.

Evidently someone changed the scoring in your son's case. Maybe even to take an error away from a player or to give someone a hit. It happens sometimes at all levels. Yes, it is unfair, but what can you do about it? Shat hippens!

Best of luck to your son

PG my son feels the same way as yours did.
This is the 3rd time the game stats didn't agree with the season stats. This doeen't bother me that much, I just thought the season stats were auto unpdated from the games stats.
We have no coverage of the games so I look at the stat sheets to see who played and what happened. It is tough not being able to atleast see Live Stats.
I have been listening to VMI- Florida, CC -Virginia Ualr -CAU High Point and other games because I have people I know on some of these teams.
My son never looks at his stats because they are highly subjective depending a lot of the opposition.
The game sheets are the same and the errors are the same as originally scored.

Everyone says stats are not important BUT, everything in baseball is stats, if they werent important why are they recorded...they are every where...from baseball cards to the hall of fame. books ,web sites, magazines. success is measured by stats

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
My son has pitched 3 innings in the season opener. He let 2 runs in in the opener. The game stats showed 1 ER and 1r on both teams game stats. In my opinion this was correct. 4 days later the season stats changed showing 2 er and he hasn't pitched again. I thought these were automated from the game stats. Both teams still show 1er and 1r. This happened last year as well giving him 2 more er than the game stats showed over the season. In both cases the season stats showed the right er and then changed a week or so later.
Can some one explain how this happens.

A lot depends on how the stats are derived. “MOST” software will take in the game data and get totals by accumulating it with previous game data to get “season-to-date” numbers. But, it is possible for some software to allow the person entering the data to change the cumulative totals without changing the game data, but that’s pretty rare.

Sometimes, the individual games and the cumulative totals both have to be entered because the software only displays, not calculates. If that’s the case, its very possible a typo or purposeful incorrect entry is made. That’s also fairly rare.

What’s more likely is, there’s something goin’ on with team UERs. That’s not something a lot of people are aware of, but it does happen, as you can see from reading rule 10.18(i) below. The trouble is, the rule isn’t the same in the NCAA. If you look at NCAA rule 22f below, you’ll see that it is not the same as OBR’s rule, in that it doesn’t authorize “team UERs”.

Most SKs are like me and much more used to the OBR rule, and just “ASSUME” the NCAA rule INTENDS that there be team UERs. There are also folks, who get so fed up arguing with coaches, players, and parents about, that they just ignore the team UERs. But there are far more coaches, players. parents, and SK’s who have no clue there’s such a thing as team UERs. At any rate, someone who looks closely at the numbers can easily get confused, especially if they don’t know what’s goin’ on.

OBR 10.18(i) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not have the benefit of previous chances for outs not accepted in determining earned runs. NOTE: It is the intent of this rule to charge relief pitchers with earned runs for which they are solely responsible. In some instances, runs charged as earned against the relief pitcher can be charged as unearned against the team. EXAMPLES: (1) With two out, P1 walks A. B reaches base on an error. P2 relieves P1. C hits home run, scoring three runs. Charge two unearned runs to P1, one earned run to P2. (2) With two out, P1 walks A and B and is relieved by P2. C reaches base on an error. D hits home run, scoring four runs. Charge two unearned runs to P1, two unearned runs to P2. (3) With none out, P1 walks A. B reaches base on an error. P2 relieves P1. C hits home run, scoring three runs. D and E strike out. F reaches base on an error. G hits home run, scoring two runs. Charge two runs, one earned, to P1. Charge three runs, one earned, to P2.

NCAA Rule 22f. When pitchers are changed during an inning, a relief pitcher shall not have the benefit of errors made earlier in the inning. Thus, he will be charged with earned runs for which he is totally responsible.

I agree with njbb and differ with some others in that I don’t think the only thing of importance is whether the game was won or lost. Some folks might not want to admit it, but in order for a game to be scored correctly, it has to follow the rules. If the rules say certain records and statistics must be kept, they are just as important as winning or losing the game.

Now those things may not be important to some people, and they may not make a spit of difference to the outcome of the game, but they are important until the governing body says they aren’t.

OBR 10.02 The official score report prescribed by the league president shall make provisions for entering the information listed below, in a form convenient for the compilation of permanent statistical records: (a) The following records for each batter and runner: …

NCAA Rule 10 contains what records SHALL be included, and NFHS Rule 9 does the same.

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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
It's called "kids keeping score"; or, coaches changing the score/scoring after the game.

That’s been an issue at every level of the game for as long as the game’s been played!

One of the biggest problems about it is that until one comes under the NCAA rules, there’s no consensus as to where the SK should sit. But as you can see in NCAA 10.1b, although it isn’t mandatory, they’re strongly suggesting where the SK should sit. I don’t think it takes a member of MENSA to understand why.

As you can also see in OBR 10.1(a), the pros definitely have something to say about it. its really too bad that HS rules don’t also make some kind of “suggestion” like NCAA does.

NCAA 10.1b. The official scorer should sit in the press box or stands (if no press box)
and not near or in a dugout.

OBR 10.01(a) The league president shall appoint an official scorer for each league championship game. The official scorer shall observe the game from a position in the press box.

Thanks scorekeeper. Great explanation.