How Long Until You've Earned The Right?

IMHO - You never earn the right to act like this...

I'm a die hard Red Sox fan but I don't like it when Big Pappi admires his shots. I don't like pitchers who go wild over strikeouts either.

The guys who run them out acting like they've done it before, it's routine and they fully expect to do it again soon, command more respect in my eyes.

Originally posted by JMoff:
IMHO - You never earn the right to act like this...


I agree. Though some behavior is tolerable, Morgan's was disgusting.

He is a marked man. Wonder which cardinal pitcher is gonna go after him.

The real question is when will the powers that be just eliminate this thug - punk - clown from the game of baseball.

He is a disgrace to the game every time he sets foot on the field. A cheap shot artist that needs to have his face punched into silly putty.

If I was on the field- I think I would risk it all to take him out permanently.

The more I think about this, I think this could be divided into two or more categories.

Cervelli just acted a little stupid on his HR then didn't seem to undertand why he was plunked.

Morgan was just an ***. I have no problem being ticked off that he struck out in a big situation. But to scream at the pitcher like he owed you a hit or something. I wish I could watch the game tonight, he better get plunked as well.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
The real question is when will the powers that be just eliminate this thug - punk - clown from the game of baseball.

He is a disgrace to the game every time he sets foot on the field. A cheap shot artist that needs to have his face punched into silly putty.

If I was on the field- I think I would risk it all to take him out permanently.

It's amazing, so many talented kids waiting in milb and this clown gets to play evereyday.....

Anybody have a youtube of what Morgan did? I'd really like to see it....

YGD

Morgan v. Carpenter

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18622099

I'm not a baseball guy, but if doing what the Yankee did gets you hit, I'd come after pitchers a lot (which, by the way, he didn't really do. He simply protested a little.) That was hardly a celebration at home plate and if you're that sensitive that you throw at guys for that....well, you're not likely to be around very long. Of course, if the catcher was gigging him the entire at bat, then good for the Yankee. There's a lot you can't see in this stuff. But to a fan, it was hardly egregious.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
The right to act like you're a big shot?

If I hit a HR against the Red Sox in Fenway, I'd do that too. But, that's nothing compared to the end zone dance I have planned for Cowboys Stadium.

That's fine. One man's egregious is another man's cute.

We'll have to teach Saltalamaccia how to deal with Yankee batters:

thug-punk-clown? Are you serious? That's an ignorant statement! I am embarrassed to have read that. Get over yourself.

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Originally posted by junior5:
thug-punk-clown? Are you serious? That's an ignorant statement! I am embarrassed to have read that. Get over yourself.

You won't get very far in the game (if you play) if you believe Morgan doesn't have an issue. No matter what team he plays on he has issues. I don't care what hatred you have for another team, what words you exchange, you don't through spit intentionally towards a player.

JMoff said...

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IMHO - You never earn the right to act like this...

I'm a die hard Red Sox fan but I don't like it when Big Pappi admires his shots. I don't like pitchers who go wild over strikeouts either.

The guys who run them out acting like they've done it before, it's routine and they fully expect to do it again soon, command more respect in my eyes.

100% Agree. Also, I think emotion has a time and place. Clinching a playoff, winning a playoff or World Series is the time and place. I'm a die hard Red Sox fan. I like Big Papi's productivity, but don't like the show afterwards or Papelbon's yelling and screaming or Brian Wilson "X" thing or whatever the heck it is that he does. I saw the Cervelli plunking. If I knew it was coming, he must have known it was coming being a Yankee cather.....but maybe I give him too much credit in the intellectual department.

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.....but maybe I give him too much credit in the intellectual department.

that's funny...

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Originally posted by TPM:
Originally posted by JMoff:
IMHO - You never earn the right to act like this...


I agree. Though some behavior is tolerable, Morgan's was disgusting.

He is a marked man. Wonder which cardinal pitcher is gonna go after him.

I don't think any pitcher has to go after him. He will self implode himself!

TPM,
I'm not sure what post you are reading, but I clearly never said anything about defending Morgan. So again, I'm embarrassed at the fact that people jump to conclusions and post ignorant responses. Sorry, but people need to come to the conclusion that they are not perfect! Yes, what he did was stupid, and I understand that.... Also, thank you for the lesson in COMMON SENSE!!

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Morgan was just an ***. I have no problem being ticked off that he struck out in a big situation. But to scream at the pitcher like he owed you a hit or something.

Or could it be the case that Carpenter was being the ***, yelling at Morgan, "**** you?"

You know you could be right, Carpenter can be nasty like that, but Morgan's actions were distastful, I have never seen anyone spit their chew at the other team like that (forget the words exchanged). Remember he's the the guy who charged the mound last year at Marlins pitcher then claimed he got tossed from the Nats because of a fight with Jason Werth, let's see if the Brewers keep him for next season.

He needs to keep his street behavior at home, is that better junior?

The answer to original question is simple. You can act any in manner you choose as long as you are willing to deal with the consequences of your actions.
In my opinion the “unwritten rules” don’t mean much to most of today’s players. It’s a different game at the pro level and a very different landscape at the youth, high school, a college level than say even 20 years ago.
Players today are more outspoken, egotistical and they don’t necessarily have an appreciation for baseball history or “unwritten” rules that we’d like them to have as “old timers” Case in point is Junior5, being the 19 year old he is, He has decided it is time for him to have an opinion and to sharply share his opinion to anyone who is willing to listen. He comes across as arrogant and to some immature much like the major league players we are discussing. Buts it’s a choice and they will face the consequences.
Players are paid more, have more competition for their jobs, and are put on pedestals at a much earlier age. The arrogance and immature self centered nature are components of what makes them successful.
If we had Twitter, FaceBook and ESPN-Ocho when Babe Ruth called his shot. I am sure we’d be posting on how arrogant and what a horse’s behind he is.
Disclaimer: Junior5 is my son and he plays the game and excels in the classroom with same aggressive, hardnosed, and arrogant manner in which he states his opinions.

Answering the original question - if you have to "act like" a big shot - you are not one. Most of those who really are big shots dont act like it.

Also - regardless of what Carpenter may or may not have said - Morgan's actions were not acceptable.

I'm going to have my mommy write in to defend my posts.

It amazing how so called adults can miss the point and choose to read what they want to read.
Do youtself a favor go back and read my post, maybe two or three times to make sure you don't miss the point again.

Consider making it a habit you don't sound stupid!!!

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Morgan was just an ***. I have no problem being ticked off that he struck out in a big situation. But to scream at the pitcher like he owed you a hit or something.

Or could it be the case that Carpenter was being the ***, yelling at Morgan, "**** you?"

If Carpenter said anything after the strikeout, then he's a good ventriloquist!

I've watched the replay from 2 different angles and Carpenter said nothing.

Maybe he said something earlier?

Or, more likey, Morgan is delusional.

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If Carpenter said anything after the strikeout, then he's a good ventriloquist!

I've watched the replay from 2 different angles and Carpenter said nothing.

Apparently Carp did say something. He is saying that he did. But Morgan has had to be restrained 2-3 times THIS YEAR against Carp...

Papi-that's funny.

jsingerjj-you just had to know that one was coming.

I don't know that there will ever be much appreciation around here for opinions presented in an "aggressive, hardnosed, and arrogant manner".

Personally, I don't mind players that are a little cocky (my number 2 son always felt like he was up to whatever was facing him at the moment with a bit of "yep, coming right up" in him), but there's a "little bit of cockiness" that an awful lot of good players have, and then there's "arrogant", which is never ever attractive nor much appreciated.

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Originally posted by hokieone:
Personally, I don't mind players that are a little cocky (my number 2 son always felt like he was up to whatever was facing him at the moment with a bit of "yep, coming right up" in him), but there's a "little bit of cockiness" that an awful lot of good players have, and then there's "arrogant", which is never ever attractive nor much appreciated.

I agree and I got a chuckle out of papi's response as well.
I guess you dad is saying that it's ok for junior to be arrogant towards others here because he is young.
Cervelli getting plunked is an example that he needs to be reminded about humility, if you really know the "written rules" that's just not tolerated by college coaches as well as pro managers (arrogance). Not sure about the comment about younger players these days not following the "unwritten rules". Most do, they are taught very quickly, there are some who are a bit cocky, they learn quickly by the vets, but arrogance is NEVER acceptable.

Let's not confuse a young players cockiness (like Cervelli) for a players arrogance and stupidity (like Morgan).

When I read through this thread the first time, I thought "what a bunch of childish squabbling". I read it a second time and noted what a great job most of the posters did of sticking to the point and not stooping to the level childishness of others. Made me feel good about being an Oldtimer (although kudos go to some Members as well). There is just no reason to get personal and be insulting.

I'm a big time Biggio fan, and Biggio never showed up a pithcer, never failed to run out a grounder or a pop up, and never argued a called strike. He has all the stats of a Hall of Famer, and I hope respecting the game and the other players the way he did gets him in on the first ballot.

Can't wait until Mr. Harper makes it to the big show! Should be enjoyable to watch.