I am looking for trouble... (AKA asking this forum for advice!)

AZCoyote, I was simply inquiring about his experience only to understand better from where he was able to critique his son's coaches this way was all. You're right as there are some backyard Dad's who really know the game and coach but as we all know they are far and few between at times. But we also know that every team in America has a Dad (and sometimes mom's!) who truly and genuinely feel they can coach better than what is on the field and boy they sometimes can be a challenge to deal with! lol It's one thing to read his original post from someone like me who hasn't been on here for a couple of years (helping son chase his own Pro dream) and see a bunch of new names with no clue their background asking these questions. My mind may be a bit twisted than anyone else's lol, but my mind goes instantly to the question "from what background does he/she have to know something is being taught incorrectly?" That really is my reasoning for asking. 

 

 "Know when to pay attention to the coach, and know when to pretend you are paying attention to the coach."  With the limited options available, it sounds like there will need to be some outside work as well, and quite frankly there should be anyway even if it's working on the same things. 

 

FYI, this what you said above was some good stuff!

 

YGD

Sorry if I came off snarky, wasn't intended, but I get where you are coming from and totally agree.  I come from an area where there are plenty of ex-MLB club coaches. Some are AWESOME, some don't have a clue. I may get a little sensitive when someone infers (my interpretation) that you need a particular pedigree to be a good coach. 

       
       
sorry TPM.  I know that is a pain.  I just wanted some quick thoughts from others.  And I suppose some people to tell me what I probably already knew.  Then I wanted it taken down.  I asked swamp to delete the entire thread.  But some others started getting into what they felt was a productive conversation so I asked swamp just to leave it alone.  By that time though I had already deleted moat of my stuff while waiting for the entire thread to be deleted.  Basically just a little frustrated at the lack of open mindedness of our 14u coaches.  Don't know why they are afraid to take help.

With your coaching experience, I would think that you would understand that as long as your son is having fun playing for this team playing baseball than nothing else should matter.  Not reading the original post, I am not sure exactly what was wrong.  You should know that an poorly ran practice compared to a perfectly ran practice wont make a difference in your son's progression in the game.  

Either they do know what they are doing and they think they don't need your help and regard you as a  meddler.   Or they don't know what they are doing, feel insecure about themselves, want to put on a brave show, and regard you as trying to show them up.  Or they think they know what they are doing,  even though they don't, in which case, they are protecting themselves from having to face the truth by painting you as full of himself meddler.   Humans being what they are, no way you win. 

1)  Hitting for Power

2)  Hitting for Average

3)  Fielding Ability

4)  Throwing Ability

5)  Speed

 

These skills make or break a player!  3 hours a week at team practice won't.  

 

 

       
       
100% agree.  That's why I have said its more about me being frustrates not about him.  While it may cost us some extra time he will put in whatever work he needs to make himself better.  I just need to get over

Youth Baseball is not where you find a lot of good coaching.  Then again some are very lucky and have a great coach.

 

I do wish those that really don't know the game would just watch the kids play and let them have some fun.  Unfortunately, once they become a coach of the youth team, they often think they are experts at the game.  Some study and learn, some just teach what they might have learned, which could be right or wrong.

 

I disagree about former MLB coaching.  While I agree that some are much better than others, They all know the game well.  They might not be the best teachers, but any MLB player understands the game better than your typical dad or mom.  Someone that made their living in baseball knows the game better than most people. 

 

Many dads are excellent coaches, excellent at teaching fundamentals and running a team.  It would be great if every team had someone like that.  Unfortunately, that is never going to happen.  So the only thing left is to do the best with what you have or move on to something better. If a bad coach ruins a baseball player, it is because that player allowed it to happen.

OK, I missed most of your posts but I kind of figured out what was bothering you.

I think Sluggerdads post kind of wrapped up why they won't take your help. 

From my experience as a parent, I also agree with azocoyote as with real green.  I have found that some of the best coaches my son has had were not professionals in the game or were they ever.  Coaching is teaching, its a gift that many don't have. I found this to be true through my sons youth to professional years.  

Here is a bit of my advice. Unless your coaches are doing something that is harming your son, you need to step back. Also, stating that you see this more as your problem and not your son tells me a bit about you as a parent.  Trust me, you don't want to be labeled as one of those parents.

Again, at your sons age its more about having fun and learning to respect the game.

One other word of advice, before you post think long and hard about hitting the send button. Posting and then taking back what you have written kind of takes credibility in away. 

I hope that you take my post in the spirit it is intended.

You may have been responding to me.  While they may know the game better than most (almost all) people, a point I totally concede, that doesn't have anything to do with their ability to pass along that knowledge to someone else.  I have coached with, against, and my son has been coached by, numerous MLB/MiLB players over the years.  When it comes to actually coaching, some (most) are awesome, some not so much.  It's probably the 80/20 rule, maybe 95/5 in this case.  95% of pro guys are better coaches than dads, but there are dads out there I know, who never played more than HS or low level college ball, that are better coaches/mentors than some pro guys I know.  I'm not really sure we are disagreeing.

One of the best coaches my kid has had over the years drove a truck.  He is now an umpire at the college level.  Still coaches in the winter. 

       
       
You are absolutely correct.  I probably should not have even brought it up.  You get kind of addicted to this and start thinking of it as an extended family.  So you reach out for some help.  And like I said before I haven't been told anything here I didn't expect or already knew.  But I needed to hear it none the less.  I have already told a couple guys I just don't want to talk about it. anymore   I am putting this behind me.  I am serious.  I am going to let my kid have fun and maybe just not be around when things are happening that may trip my trigger.  Talking it out on here though helps (yes I realize I have gone 180 degrees from shouldn't have posted to this really helped!!)  Thats how confusing life can be sometimes.  I remember one post last year that hit me like a ton of bricks.  Talked about a kid dreading the rides home.  While I didn't have a habit if making my kids rides miserable I did at times.  Taking strike three drives me nuts.  A few times I went off on him in the car about that.  Then I read that post last year.  I thought wow, we have such a bond due to the massive car rides and trips.  These can be great times and memories or it can be like the kid who dreads getting into the car.  I made a positive and permanent change because of that post.  Maybe some remember it.  Just hearing what I expected from you all but still needed to hear will make another positive and permanent change.  I am committing to that.  He will put as much into this as he decides.  If it is meant to be it will.  But gosh darn it (its a family website) we are going to enjoy this season.  Then we will enjoy next season and so on.  Thanks all.

Well, I'm glad you brought it up, and I'm glad you got good answers.  I'm also glad you remembered the thread citing the car ride home.  That was never really a problem of mine, but it got me thinking about other issues I DO have and have tried my best since to manage.

 

Thanks for noting that post, 2020.