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I am new to this website and forum, so I hope I've posted in the most appropriate place (if not, please accept my apologies).

My goal as the single mother of an 18 year old only child is to make sure that he at least gets an opportunity to be seen by anyone who would be willing to just tell us if he has what it takes to play baseball somewhere, preferably on the collegiate, or even minor league level.

My son had been playing baseball every season since he was 5 years old; he skipped T-ball because he thought it was boring and started with a 6-8 year old team and a pitching machine. When he was 12, his stats were: .548 BA, 27 RBIs, 6 Triples & 7 HRs and a Grand Slam that season. He played 9th and 10th baseball at Lovejoy High School in Clayton County, GA. According to his high school coach, my son could have played Varsity his freshman and sophomore years, but he was needed on the 9th grade and JV teams.

The coach nominated my son at the end of 10th grade for Who's Who Among American High School Students, Sports Edition. My son is listed in the 2004-2005 edition on page 230, center column:

Johnson, Allen; Lovejoy HS; Jonesboro, GA; 2; 5’9”, 190 lbs; Sport: Baseball (1) CF, Only Freshman to Hit Grand Slam, 392 BA, Grand Slam, 14 DB, 9 TR, 28 RBIs; (2) CF, Outstanding Athlete Award, 379 BA, 8 DB, 6 TR, 57 RBIs; ai: Sophomore Class; Perfect Attendance Award; ROTC, Longevity Award; Baseball, Culinary Arts; Johnson & Wales.”

Unfortunately, my son’s Junior year was not a good one for either of us . . . he aligned himself with a group of young men and their interests, and consequently, lost focus on his school work to the point he flunked 2 classes first semester, and therefore was ineligible to play. Not being able to play subsequently led to a host of other issues, which resulted in him failing every class the second semester.

Because of the negative influences and the problems he was having at Lovejoy, I moved us out of Clayton County to Carroll County where he attended Villa Rica HS from August until December 2005. While his behavior improved and he worked 20 hours a week while going to school, his grades were not sufficient at the Christmas break to make him eligible to play baseball. Instead of retaining him as a Junior taking 11th grade classes, Villa Rica HS placed him in 12th grade classes because he had 14 credits going into his Senior year (16 are needed to be considered a Senior).

Since I was not about to experience what happened the previous year when he was ineligible to play baseball, and because our goal is for him to finish high school, I sent him to Youth Challenge Academy (YCA) at Ft. Stewart to get his GED and help him get disciplined enough to really focus on his future. He is due to graduate June 17th. He is playing softball for YCA, but I have no way of knowing how he is doing in terms of stats.

So my questions/concerns are:

Despite the fact that he was unable to play Varsity ball his Junior and Senior years, does my son have any chance at all of being able to play at the college level with a GED?

What do we need to do at this point? He is supposed to be taking the SAT/ACT in the next few weeks and YCA sent home the FAFSA form to apply for financial aid, but I have some questions regarding that too. While one of YCA’s mission is to help their students work on a plan of action after graduation as concerns what they intend to do, all I’ve gotten from my son is that he wants to go to college so he can play baseball. Truth be told, he lost interest in school somewhere along middle school and did just enough to be able to play baseball. His best academic high school year was actually 10th grade.

I was told by my son’s coach sometime before baseball season started last year that my son was being looked at by several scouts, but I have no idea who they were or what can be done NOW in light of his current academic record.

I have been at home for the past 3½ years and have not had a steady source of income during that time, although I am willing to do whatever I need to just to ensure that my son at least “gets a shot.” If we’re told that he’s not good enough, then so be it. But no one who has seen my son play has said that.

The brother of the owner of Pro-Day Baseball has said “he would help my son get in front of some collegiate and professional scouts as soon as he graduates by his attendance at a showcase,” and I’m wondering whether anyone here has had an experience with Pro-Day.

I just need to know what can/should we be doing to get my son noticed? Any suggestions or positive comments would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Mom - First, welcome to HSBBW!

I would think the biggest challenge for your son might be to be focused enough to succeed in college - on the field and off. I assume he's not a NCAA qualifier and perhaps the best route for him might be a JUCO.

My own son has attended a JUCO this past year and provided an easy transition to college classes. He is transferring on to a four year this summer, so I understand the challenges of finding a "fit" this late in the game.

Georgia and Alabama have many outstanding JUCO schools, so you might want to visit
http://www.njcaa.org/ and do some research on ones in your area. Also, JUCOs typically provide better financial support than four year institutions. JUCOs also allow a player to work out or "try out" for them. I will tell you that they will care less about any of his stats from his youth. He needs to be in shape and ready to perform if he visits one.

I hope that your son has become focused and determined to be successful in the classroom and on the field. Please feel free to PM me if I can help in any way.
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Thanks, for the welcome lafmom. And I appreciate your advice, as well as jemaz’s seconding your opinion . . .

I have always been about education, but for some reason I cannot explain, my son told me early on that he didn’t want be smart, although he is, and CAN do the work. Since he always knew that playing ball was contingent upon grades, he managed to keep the grades up until he got with these other ‘young men’ and his whole personality and outlook changed.

Since January 15th, he has 2 weekend passes and we’ve talked briefly about what he plans to do when he graduates. He SAYS he wants to play ball and go to college, and I agree that a junior college would probably be best for him right now until he can prove to himself that he really CAN do the work required.

And since we didn't get a chance to research colleges like we should have last year, I didn't even know where to start as far as looking for Junior Colleges that have a decent baseball team AND where he can pursue what he claims he wants to study: culinary arts. So I thank you so much for the website link. I'll be checking that out immediately.

And he is in shape . . . YCA concentrates on physical activity bordering on military boot camp and he's already been told what's expected of him if he goes to a showcase.

The form sent home from YCA indicates his choice as a junior college (which I don't have a problem with and think would be a wise choice at this point) but he said he wanted to go to Georgia Southern (why, I have no idea other than someone at YCA suggesting it). Two weeks ago it was Albany State (again because some of his friends from Lovejoy have been signed to go there).

Maybe I pushed too hard, I don’t know. But he really IS a good person who has the potential to excel, but for some reason, he’s been beating himself up (I think) because he couldn’t play last year or this, his final year.

My other goal is to keep him away from the people and influences that distracted him in the first place. I realize I cannot do much once he graduates, but I know that if he has an opportunity to play somewhere, he’ll do what is necessary to make sure that happens. He truly misses the game (and I miss watching him play).
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Oh, Culinary Arts may certainly limit choice of school. Again, go to the link I provided and start picking out some JUCOs - you can go to their sites and see what they offer. You might also want to check the curriculum at some four year schools and see if perhaps it would be wise for him to get the pre-reqs at a JUCO.

I assume your son realizes that without being a NCAA qualifier, playing ball at a NCAA school is not possible.

Here's another link for you that I've always found helpful. It allows you to search in various ways and offers info on costs, majors, etc. without having to go to individual websites.

http://collegeboard.com/splash
I think your son is lucky to have a Mom who cares about his future.
Laf and gemaz have said it right. His biggest challenge will be to get his focus back and get his grades up. JUCO is a great opportunity to do this but it isn't easy. You hyave to chose his courses wiaely so the can be credits towards a 4 year school. He will have to show a great attitude and work hard because it requires discipline to get through the 2 years. JUCO has great baseball and I agree his stats mean nothing to the college coaches. The stats that open the door are good grades. He has to commit to change.
JUCOs hold tryouts and you can arrange individual workouts. Marks are very important plus you need the baseball talent.
When you are 40-50 yo old and he looks back at what might have been he will see how foolish he has been.
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Originally posted by lafmom:
Oh, Culinary Arts may certainly limit choice of school. Again, go to the link I provided and start picking out some JUCOs - you can go to their sites and see what they offer. You might also want to check the curriculum at some four year schools and see if perhaps it would be wise for him to get the pre-reqs at a JUCO.

I assume your son realizes that without being a NCAA qualifier, playing ball at a NCAA school is not possible.

Here's another link for you that I've always found helpful. It allows you to search in various ways and offers info on costs, majors, etc. without having to go to individual websites.

http://collegeboard.com/splash


You are gem, lafmom! Thanks . . . Like I just stated in my modified reply post . . . I didn't have a clue where to start looking, so thanks for the website links. I'll be checking both.

At this point, we don't really care about NCAA qualifier (whatever that is) or what is considered the "normal route" because he blew that last year and we both know it. Now it's simply a matter of getting him back on course to do what is best for his long-term future.

He MUST get away from here, coming back to what is familiar to him is nothing but a dead-end and I simply cannot allow that, if at all possible.
Thanks for your insight BobbleheadDoll.

I also appreciate your comments about what it's going to take for him to succeed and will be copying everyone's comments and sending them to him so he knows that it's not just ME telling him what WE already know. GRADES DO MATTER!

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When you are 40-50 yo old and he looks back at what might have been he will see how foolish he has been.
Yes, and I'm trying hard to make sure that "wasting his baseball talent" is NOT one of the things he regrets.

Lafmom (or anyone): What is the difference between Division I, II and III. I assume (or maybe I shouldn't) that Division I is ranked better than the others?

I can see I have A LOT of research to do on his behalf.

Thanks everyone for your time in responding. Wish I had found this forum earlier, but then again, I couldn't have calmly articulated what's been going on . . .
Mom - There are different rules or qualifications for playing at each of those levels. When a person says DI, DII, and DIII, those are what's referred to as NCAA schools. Your son has to apply to the NCAA to be a qualifier. The NCAA receives the transcripts from his HS and verifies that he meets certain criteria to be a DI or DII qualifier. You can go to the NCAA website and read more. However, I nor anyone here would know if your son is a qualifier for sure. The formula can be a bit difficult to try and guess about on a borderline qualifier.

http://www.ncaaclearinghouse.net/ncaa/NCAA/common/index.html

EDIT: Mom, I should probably add that you don't have to be a NCAA qualifier to attend JUCO. That is one of the advantages for some kids to go JUCO. Again, feel free to PM me if I can help. You just click on a poster's name (whoever you're sending PM to) and go to the option of "send private message".
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Thos D1 D!! & !!! also apply to JUCOs. Generally the rules are differen and the baseball scholarships rules are different D111usually have no baseball money.I am not sure of all the details so you should investigate each level. I have friends at all divisions. 1 is at a D111 in NJ nad he is doing very well. I don't believe he got any scholarship money. He is eithyer signing a pro contract of going to a 4 year next year. Juco is generally a lot cheaper and some do not have on campus housing.
Ther are lots of rules you must look up and understand. Maybe a school councilor may be able to help.
Use the JUCO site to e-mail some schools for advice. The coaches may be busy but you can talk to admissions and Athletic administrators.
Welcome, bbmom!

All good advice for you so far. I would add that you should check out the articles and additional information provided in addition to this forum. Just put your cursor on the green line you'll see at the left of your screen and start exploring.

There are many good things to be said about JuCos, particularly in GA where they will also have a number of quality baseball programs. (You might want to post in the GA forum below to get pesonal takes on the JuCos in the state.) Smaller class size, more chance for individual attention, and the opportunity to either prepare for a career or get his required courses in in preparation for a BA.

From a baseball standpoint, there's a greater opportunity for playing time. JuCos can be populated by a lot of players looking for draft eligibility or who have been drafted and are now being evaluated by the drafting team, called DFEs (draft, follow, evaluate); so the quality of play can be very high.

My son was a somewhat indifferent student in hs as well. However, when he got to JuCo, and then on to a D1, he found that the ability to choose classes based in part on his own interests (as well as the superior instruction) sparked his innate abilities. You may well find a change coming in your son.

Get yourself to the FAFSA website if you haven't already FAFSA. Filling out the form online gets it to them quicker, and the site walks you through quite easily. You'll need your 2005 tax information (and your son's, if he earned) at hand as well as a list of schools he might be applying to. It sounds as if your son would be eligible for Pell Grant money (the best kind -- it doesn't have to be repaid); filling out the FAFSA will also qualify your son for Federal Loans at advantageous rates. There is, however, limited funds and lots of people in line. I can't stress strongly enough that you need to get this done ASAP. Now would be a good time. There are instructions about how to sign electronically; use that facility. If you want some additional help, please PM me.

Best of luck and keep asking!

Make your son a partner in these endeavors, complete with To Do Lists and deadlines; help him focus on his goals so that he shares the pride of the accomplishment.
Sorry for the delay in responding . . . had a few calls and in 30 minutes have a conference call.

You all are AWESOME! I will be following the advice given by each of you and will keep you all posted. And I'll be in touch with those of you who invited me to contact you for any further assistance (which I'm sure I'm going to need).

I can't thank you enough for pointing me in the right direction.

Enjoy your day . . . you've made mine!

Smile
Welcome Baseballmom ~

Lots of great advice provided. Here is another link for JUCOs ~ might be the same as lafmom's

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/njcaa_addresses.htm

There is also a post in the Georgia Forum about the Cincinnati Reds tryout on June 13th in Marietta.

Agree with orlando's idea of posting in the Georgia Forum also to help solicit advice. I am still trying to learn all the ropes myself, but am willing to help in any way.
As you can see you have come to the right place to get some great information. Lafmom and the others give good advice.

I can’t add anything that hasn’t already been said about the direction for your son to go but let me add something that might put your mind at ease. At the college level the demands placed on the players are such that the players tend to stick together more than they did in high school. And for the most part college baseball players are a great bunch of dedicated young men. Yes, there will be players that break the rules, but that is not the norm. If your son tends to “follow the crowd” then the baseball crowd is a good crowd to follow.
Fungo
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Also keep in mind that the NCAA clearinghouse, and all its hurdles, do not apply to NAIA schools. There are some fine athletic and academic programs at the NAIA level. If your son can make adequate grades at the NAIA school, transfer to an NCAA school is always an option - and the clearinghouse is not an issue at that point.

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