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Don't really know if I completely understand about pitching mound made of plastic but can say I much preferred running on grass opposed to artificial turf as outfielder and when timed in 60 yard dash time would be exactly two-tenths faster for me on grass opposed to turf.
6.6 on grass at GT for scouts after Tech game and 6.8 on Cam's Pirate turf in Pittsburgh two days later in 1989 prior to draft in closed pre-draft stadium workout. peace, Shep
6.6 on grass at GT for scouts after Tech game and 6.8 on Cam's Pirate turf in Pittsburgh two days later in 1989 prior to draft in closed pre-draft stadium workout. peace, Shep
quote:Originally posted by Shepster:
Don't really know if I completely understand about pitching mound made of plastic but can say I much preferred running on grass opposed to artificial turf as outfielder and when timed in 60 yard dash time would be exactly two-tenths faster for me on grass opposed to turf.
6.6 on grass at GT for scouts after Tech game and 6.8 on Cam's Pirate turf in Pittsburgh two days later in 1989 prior to draft in closed pre-draft stadium workout. peace, Shep
The plasit mound was indoors. it was for a pitching study. you throw from a plastic mound to a target that is only like 20 feet away
Thank you for clarifying Smokky1 in LA. With all the rain in CA that's probably about the only place to throw right now. Is it still raining over there? peace, Shep
quote:Originally posted by Shepster:
Thank you for clarifying Smokky1 in LA. With all the rain in CA that's probably about the only place to throw right now. Is it still raining over there? peace, Shep
its raining a lot. all the games are getting canceled.
The question i have is how much velocity would i lose when throwing from a plastic mound to a target that is like 20feet away
O RLY...I have no idea about your question's answer. SRY,Peace-Shep
Smokky1-
There’re too many variables. I’ve seen the oval plastic mounds (high with short ramp) with a flat horizontal pad to stand on. That in itself does not reflect an actual pitching mound. Typically, the area directly in front of the rubber has a slant to it. If you don’t know how to roll onto the inside edge of your posting foot and if the grip is bad, you’re required to use different mechanics than what you would normally use from a real outdoor mound. Another area to consider is your goal? Throw into a net 20 ft away, or throw to a net 60 ft away, or better yet, a catcher 60 ft away. What kind of feedback are you getting, instant radar or the sound of the ball hitting the glove? That’s one reason I prefer to catch…this gives the pitcher (yes, I said pitcher instead of thrower
) instant feedback that he’s use to. It’s more of a comfort zone that the pitcher has had for years, and a zone that can be directly related to.
I personally would not put too much weight on the readings from a set-up like this IF it’s being used to test your velocity. But if everyone is required to use this same set-up, then the readings can be used more as a comparison of relative velocities.
There’re too many variables. I’ve seen the oval plastic mounds (high with short ramp) with a flat horizontal pad to stand on. That in itself does not reflect an actual pitching mound. Typically, the area directly in front of the rubber has a slant to it. If you don’t know how to roll onto the inside edge of your posting foot and if the grip is bad, you’re required to use different mechanics than what you would normally use from a real outdoor mound. Another area to consider is your goal? Throw into a net 20 ft away, or throw to a net 60 ft away, or better yet, a catcher 60 ft away. What kind of feedback are you getting, instant radar or the sound of the ball hitting the glove? That’s one reason I prefer to catch…this gives the pitcher (yes, I said pitcher instead of thrower
) instant feedback that he’s use to. It’s more of a comfort zone that the pitcher has had for years, and a zone that can be directly related to.I personally would not put too much weight on the readings from a set-up like this IF it’s being used to test your velocity. But if everyone is required to use this same set-up, then the readings can be used more as a comparison of relative velocities.
Radars are reading velocity out of hand. So it makes no difference whether you are throwing into a net 20' away or to a catcher 60' away. Out of hand is the same either way.
The mound might or might not have an effect. The better artificial mounds are as good as a clay mound. And after all, I have seen some pretty sorry clay mounds on fields.
The mound might or might not have an effect. The better artificial mounds are as good as a clay mound. And after all, I have seen some pretty sorry clay mounds on fields.
There are 2 types of radar guns. Fast and slow. fast picks the ball up shortly after it leaves the pitchers hand and slow guns pick the ball up at about 25 feet after leaving the pitchers hand. The ball slows approx. 1mph every 7 feet so thyere is a big difference. The mound if similar to a real mound will not affect the velo very much.
Smokky1-
I'm guessing you didn't perform up to your expectations.....maybe....maybe not?
Anyway, I've seen pitchers regroup and throw differently for a net situation (even if it's far away), and usually the mechanics turn to muscling the throw. A net does not give the same audible feedback as a ball hitting a glove...pitchers use this feedback comparing their perceived effort to the sound it makes hitting the glove. And there's something about a close net too. If the net is not situated at an elevation that's on par with the normal release point/level of the pitcher, then the pitcher is basically throwing down and into the ground and the normal pitching mechanics need to change in order to achieve this goal, thus affecting the original high velocity mechanics and release points.
Normally, when throwing for highest velocity (and I'm assuming this is what you’re talking about) your "goal" is to throw as hard as you can throw to a catcher 60' away. This is the goal you train for; this is the goal you play to. When the parameters/surroundings change, the goal changes. If you’re able to maintain your field mechanics and control your emotions to perform to your original performance goals, then you should be okay, if not, your velocity will suffer.
Your goals have a huge impact on your performance.
I'm guessing you didn't perform up to your expectations.....maybe....maybe not?
Anyway, I've seen pitchers regroup and throw differently for a net situation (even if it's far away), and usually the mechanics turn to muscling the throw. A net does not give the same audible feedback as a ball hitting a glove...pitchers use this feedback comparing their perceived effort to the sound it makes hitting the glove. And there's something about a close net too. If the net is not situated at an elevation that's on par with the normal release point/level of the pitcher, then the pitcher is basically throwing down and into the ground and the normal pitching mechanics need to change in order to achieve this goal, thus affecting the original high velocity mechanics and release points.
Normally, when throwing for highest velocity (and I'm assuming this is what you’re talking about) your "goal" is to throw as hard as you can throw to a catcher 60' away. This is the goal you train for; this is the goal you play to. When the parameters/surroundings change, the goal changes. If you’re able to maintain your field mechanics and control your emotions to perform to your original performance goals, then you should be okay, if not, your velocity will suffer.
Your goals have a huge impact on your performance.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
There are 2 types of radar guns. Fast and slow. fast picks the ball up shortly after it leaves the pitchers hand and slow guns pick the ball up at about 25 feet after leaving the pitchers hand. The ball slows approx. 1mph every 7 feet so thyere is a big difference. The mound if similar to a real mound will not affect the velo very much.
Jugs & Stalker both read out of hand. At least the models made over the past five or six years. {Stalker does have a slightly faster sampling rate, but they are close enough.}
And even if some "slow" gun picks up the ball at 25', it still makes no difference if the ball is being thrown into a net or to a catcher. The speed is what the speed is...
Now cap, in his last post, brings up some valid points that can affect some pitchers via mind games.
quote:Radars are reading velocity out of hand. So it makes no difference whether you are throwing into a net 20' away or to a catcher 60' away. Out of hand is the same either way.
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