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Illegal bats

W wildcat88Member
I am a long time reader, but this my first post. Here is what happened. This is a varsity high school district playoff game, NFHS rules. State of Washington. In the 2nd inning, one of my players noticed the other team using an illegal bat. It was a Demarini CF3 composite. I brought it to the plate umpires attention, and he told me he checked all of the bats, and it was legal. He said because it had the BESR stamp on it, that it was legal. I told him I had the approved list with me, and he told me to take my list and get back to the dugout. Then I said I would like to protest the game, then I was told I could not protest, to stay in the dugout and that would be the end of it. Finally after us chirpping about it long enough, they checked my list and threw the bat out in the 5th inning, and again said I could not protest, and that would be the end of it. At the risk of getting ejected, I told them I was protesting weather they said I could or not.
At the end of all this, we lost, and I filed my protest, and the only answer I got was protest denied. Does anybody have any advice on what I should have done different. Is there any process to find out why my protest was denied? Our AD has been very little help.
Thanks for listening.
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
Each state has it's own protest rules, many don't allow them at all. However, the bat violation isn't a protest, it's an appeal. A CF3 is absolutely illegal, a CF4 is legal. Fortunately all this **** is done with, next year it is all BBCOR, no BESR, no composite exceptions. What should have happened was the batter that used it should have been out. The rule is really simple, either the umpire or the coach should have the list and bats checked accordingly.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
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Originally posted by yawetag:
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Originally posted by coach2709:
Whoever came up with the idea for what is going on this year needs to have their pay docked.


It's not like he's (or she's) the one on the field having to do the checks.


That is one of the biggest parts of the problem. Those who make the rules have never done the job.
S schwammi100+ posts
This whole thing has been the biggest debacle I have ever seen. Umps in a "no win" situation. Umps in our area check the bats before every game, but there is no system to prevent a player from pulling another bat out of their bag. We have had multiple teams use illegal bats against us. Our Coach chose not to raise the issue, but it's a horrible situation, and with playoffs over the next few weeks, it may get worse before it gets better.
yawetagyawetag100+ posts
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Originally posted by schwammi:
Umps in our area check the bats before every game, but there is no system to prevent a player from pulling another bat out of their bag.


To be fair, this can (and does) happen without this year's rules. It's just easier for us to police on other years.

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Originally posted by schwammi:
with playoffs over the next few weeks, it may get worse before it gets better.


This is where I disagree. I think coaches aren't going to take a chance at having to forfeit a playoff win, so they may play the rule as it's written, especially when they're past the District level and bats may be checked more closely.
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by schwammi:
This whole thing has been the biggest debacle I have ever seen. Umps in a "no win" situation. Umps in our area check the bats before every game, but there is no system to prevent a player from pulling another bat out of their bag. We have had multiple teams use illegal bats against us. Our Coach chose not to raise the issue, but it's a horrible situation, and with playoffs over the next few weeks, it may get worse before it gets better.

Why the world wouldn't he ask. If he believes the bat is an illegal composite he needs to have it checked. He gets an out if it is illegal plus it is dangerous, which is why they outlawed them.

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