Interesting Coach Response

Don't take personally and just move on. I do agree with you on the 95 lefty. They always have a spot for guys that throw mid 90's.

I'd take it as a positive.  cross them off the list and move on.  don't waste any more time with them

I really didn't want to be the first to respond, but I thought the email was kind and probably honest.   If it is a big "State U", they probably ARE finished with their 2017 recruiting.   Did you go to the PG website to see how many have committed?

If your son is shooting out email updates anyway, sure, keep them on the list.  Or not.  

Assuming this is one of your collection of schools in "recruiting net", move on. I would agree about the left P comment...wonder if this is a school who has overcommitted in past and trying to achieve a balance? Or a school with a JV team this year, but none in your son's year. Looking at their roster, did this response surprise you?

Could also mean a coaching change is in the works and the "new guy" will want to bring his recruits in, and not inherit what's there. Just speculating...

Ripken Fan posted:

Assuming this is one of your collection of schools in "recruiting net", move on. I would agree about the left P comment...wonder if this is a school who has overcommitted in past and trying to achieve a balance? Or a school with a JV team this year, but none in your son's year. Looking at their roster, did this response surprise you?

Moved on as soon as we got the response. That's not an issue. Just thought the response was interesting.   

It pretty late for a 2016 HS grad to start a conversation with a large state school. Most D1 schools have their 2016 class locked in. Of course, if a 2016 grad has seen a jump in velocity then there could be an exception. I believe that Auburn and Miami just signed 2016 pitchers but these were kids who were recently low to mid 80's who jumped up to the low 90's in showcases over last couple of months

joes87 posted:

Ripken Fan posted:

Assuming this is one of your collection of schools in "recruiting net", move on. I would agree about the left P comment...wonder if this is a school who has overcommitted in past and trying to achieve a balance? Or a school with a JV team this year, but none in your son's year. Looking at their roster, did this response surprise you?

Moved on as soon as we got the response. That's not an issue. Just thought the response was interesting.   

I have been here a very long time and have seen many posts regarding parents or players feeling they were not treated fairly in recruiting, either because the coach called once or twice or they never got a response back from their email.

I am not seeing this as interesting but rather an honest answer that they are not interested at this time. Stop trying to read into more than it is. Move on, keep the lines of communication open but know you maybeon their C list.  This is part of recruiting, not every coach will be interested in your son and your son will not be interested in every coach.  If you let this stuff bother you, chances are you are going to not have a very positive experience in recruiting. When son was in teh recruiting phase a program he was interested told him they didn't have enough money, we didn't take it personally, but moved on. It happens to tall righties and lefties throwing the heat as well. The only thing different is that they may have more initial interest, but most good college recruiters don't offer every guy they like either.

The most important thing to remember is that your son must make sure that he is targeting schools that will be a good fit for him AND for the program.

joes87 posted:

"Thank you for the interest in State U.  We do not anticipate adding any players to our roster in 2017.

Could he have meant that they already have all of their 2017 commits? I've never heard of a school not adding any players in a given year.

joe87,

I agree with TPM, PABaseballDad, PickedOff, RipkenFan and Keewart.  Look on the positive side....now, your son knows where to NOT waste his time and money trying to figure out why they aren't responsive or interested.  Focus on those schools that are looking for a juniior RHP throwing mid-80s.  This can be a blessing in disguise.

It sounds to me like they have all their recruits & transfers committed.

Dear player,

if you turn into a stud we can't live without keep in touch. Otherwise, don't call us. We'll call you.

(He said hello. He put me on hold. To say the least the cat was cold. He said, don't call us. We'll call you.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KeiPjbgcE

Next!

Just curious, what level was this school?  Was it a top program or lower? Also, what is son writing in his emails? How much info is he sharing? 

Agree with all, they did you a favor.

All, just a point of clarification, as soon as we received the response we crossed the school off the list.  There was not attempt to read anything into it other the, "your not playing here".  I just through the actual response was interesting.  Have a hard time seeing any school saying they are not recruiting for a specific class. 

I did go back and look at their roster.  Looks like they lost about 9 Sr's after last season and then only 3 Jr's this year.  The majority of the team is made up of Fr and Soph's.  Which looks like it coincides with a coaching change.  Im guessing they have a decent sized class coming in this year and probably only have 1 or 2 spots open for the 2017 recruiting class, which they probably already have commitments for.

playball2011 posted:

Just curious, what level was this school?  Was it a top program or lower? Also, what is son writing in his emails? How much info is he sharing? 

D1 middle of the pack Big 10 school.  Historically finished around .500 each year.  Looks like they did a little better the last two after a coaching change.  

These were just cold call intro emails.  Two short paragraphs....Hey here is my name, GPA, size, position, HS team and summer team.  In addition we include an attachment with his "athletic resume" listing out a lot more detailed information.  Most of the schools we are targeting are very familiar with his summer team and have contacts within them.  Between his size and the fact that his program has a good reputation here in the midwest we are finding that this opens the door to more communication.  I would say its about 50% schools asking for follow up info, 25% rejections or no response and 25% replying with the standard camp invite.

joe - I really don't find it all that interesting to be frank.  As others said, they did you a favor.  They have already filled their 2017 class and they told you fairly directly.

Move on.

justbaseball posted:

joe - I really don't find it all that interesting to be frank.  As others said, they did you a favor.  They have already filled their 2017 class and they told you fairly directly.

Move on.

I think Joe's point is they didn't say they already filled their 2017 class, they said "We do not anticipate adding ANY players to our roster in 2017".  Perhaps the coach forgot a word, like ANY MORE players to our roster in 2017....that would have made more grammatical sense. 

CaCO3Girl posted:

justbaseball posted:

joe - I really don't find it all that interesting to be frank.  As others said, they did you a favor.  They have already filled their 2017 class and they told you fairly directly.

Move on.

I think Joe's point is they didn't say they already filled their 2017 class, they said "We do not anticipate adding ANY players to our roster in 2017".  Perhaps the coach forgot a word, like ANY MORE players to our roster in 2017....that would have made more grammatical sense. S

"So you're telling me there's a chance?"

Lets not get silly here.  They did it politely, if not awkwardly.  But make no mistake about it.  Time to move on.

Justbaseball nailed it, lets not get silly, they were telling him to look elsewhere, period.

I wish some of you would stop trying to analyze whats meant or strange in every email, every sentence, every form letter, etc.

I wish some of you (TPM) didn't feel the need to respond almost every topic in almost every forum!

If you don't like what's being asked or agree with what is being discussed, move on.     

im647f posted:

I wish some of you (TPM) didn't feel the need to respond almost every topic in almost every forum!

If you don't like what's being asked or agree with what is being discussed, move on.     

Nothing quite like burying your head in the sand - eh?

im647f posted:

I wish some of you (TPM) didn't feel the need to respond almost every topic in almost every forum!

If you don't like what's being asked or agree with what is being discussed, move on.     

You need to take some of your own advice pal.

As the op, I have no problem with what TPM has added to this thread. She has good knowledge on this subject. Unless I'm confusing her with another poster, I believe her son has done better then most of our kids could ever aspire to. I appreciate the feedback. 

Sending out letters to Colleges is an exciting time for every player and for the parents as well. Casting a wide net to many colleges is a tried and true method that many if not most have attempted. Why not, right? But what many parents and players need to do is sit down and assess what talent each school they intend to reach out to has, i.e. look at the team's archives, current roster, read the bio's to learn about the talent level of existing pitchers, after November early signing date check the sites to see who've they signed. I promise that spending time at minimum on a team's website will give you a very, very good idea of where your son's talents really fall. Honestly. Sometimes it could be a humble pill to swallow but why not contact coaches/colleges where perhaps your son has a real shot of one day playing? American Idol has taught us all over the years that honesty really IS the best policy! 

It's been too long on here to remember WHO said it to me but it went something like this ~~ find a school where the coach see's real value in your son. Sometimes it may not be THE school you all thought he'd find but if they find you then open your eyes and ears. Let him go where they like him. He'll be much happier.

One last thing in regards to TPM. There are still a few of us HSBBW Old Timers still hanging around here hoping to pass on any advice and/or wisdom we hope can possibly help others. She certainly has always had a special way of delivering her own message at times....lol, but nevertheless you can take one thing to the bank - her advice and experience is straight and to the point. Everything she has learned about this sport, good and bad, has been as a loving, devoted Mom who like many parents rode this ride each day with her son. Watching him rise to MLB. If you don't like her style or method, don't take it personally. Relax. Breathe. This is supposed to be a place where we can come escape to after a long hard day. If you look for trouble and the worse in someone, most likely you will find it and you'll hate coming here. Instead try to understand where other's are coming from and that's usually with good intentions to share and help others. 

Good luck to your son and I hope he finds the dream school that you both love and enjoy!

YGD

YGD,

Nice post, thanks. Just to make it clear, son made the 40 man but not the 25 man roster.  

I better stop now before I get trashed again for posting in another  topic!!!

YoungGunDad posted:

 

Nice post YGD..much truth to it. My question to you:  Is the coin that your emoji is flipping at the end of your post the same one they used in the Iowa primary?

I refuse to comment at this time due to fear of possible incrimination. I can say this statement per my Lawyer however, "I was in the certain vicinity of a known political compound when I reached into my pocket and heard what I thought was a coin hitting the ground. Later discovering to my chagrin that I was short .25 cents for a nice cold Mountain Dew."

I think it was the coin from No Country for Old Men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLCL6OYbSTw

in the Iowa primary?

Ripken Fan posted:

YoungGunDad posted:

 

Nice post YGD..much truth to it. My question to you:  Is the coin that your emoji is flipping at the end of your post the same one they used in the Iowa primary?

It's a caucus. Very different thing from primary. After two hours, if a coin flip will get you home, it starts to seem like a good plan. 

Oh Iowamom, being from Ohio, you KNOW we got nothing else better to do while waiting for the snow outside to melt and the baseball gods to shine on us again. Hang in there and debate vs coin flip

When one of our sons was going through the recruiting process, he was told "a No is only slightly worse than a Yes."  Meaning that getting any answer was better than being in limbo.  I'd be grateful that you know where you stand and move on.  

Sounds like this school is a no go.

Did son only send to D1 schools?  Has he been to showcases?  Good luck in the process. My only advice is find what level son is at and get in front of those schools.