Is a ball hit straight back to the catchers mask, then caught by the catcher before hitting the ground a live ball? The question came up in a recent High School Umpire meeting in Louisiana.
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No. Without a perceptible arc, a ball that is caught without initial contact with F2's hands is a foul ball. On any foul ball, the ball is dead.
quote:Originally posted by Matt13:
No. Without a perceptible arc, a ball that is caught without initial contact with F2's hands is a foul ball. On any foul ball, the ball is dead.
I agree!! But the LHSAA board seems to think different. Can you help with a rule reference for federation?
quote:Originally posted by Umpire#7:quote:Originally posted by Matt13:
No. Without a perceptible arc, a ball that is caught without initial contact with F2's hands is a foul ball. On any foul ball, the ball is dead.
I agree!! But the LHSAA board seems to think different. Can you help with a rule reference for federation?
Look at caseplay 2-16-2c. With R1 on base, B2 has a one-and-one count and attempts to bunt. The ball goes from his bat high into the air with a perceptible arc into F2's glove, and rebounds towards F1, who catches the ball while R1 is advancing. Ruling: This is not a foul tip, but a caught foul fly.
The implication in this caseplay is that the perceptible arc is what changes this into a caught fly. Without this arc, this would be a foul ball (after the recent change to reflect the necessity of F2 to catch the ball for it to be a foul tip.)
I am a little surprised they are questioning this. This rule is currently the same for all rule sets. If the ball hits the hand or glove first then it can rebound off and be a foul tip. If it goes stright to the gear or body besides the glove or hand then it is foul.
Tell them to read section 16 in rule two. It describes both a foul ball and a foul tip.
Tell them to read section 16 in rule two. It describes both a foul ball and a foul tip.
Thank You, your reference brought me to 5.1.d.2. Ball becomes immediately dead when a foul ball goes directly from bat to catchers protecter, mask, or person without first touching the catcher's glove or hand.
Which states it's a foul ball!! Thank you I have fuel for my email to the powers that be.
Which states it's a foul ball!! Thank you I have fuel for my email to the powers that be.
Good for you for not blindly accepting something you believe to be wrong. Sometimes you will find out they were right. It is all a learning game.
quote:Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
It is all a learning game.
You you stop learning, its time to hang up the equipment!
As my assignor always says, if you aren't improving, you are declining.