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Diary entry may offer proof that baseball came from England
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An English lawyer referenced "base ball" in a entry dated March 31, 1755
The first recorded baseball game took place in 1846 in New Jersey
The diary is just now being made public after its discovery last year



LONDON (AP) -- Baseball is as American as ... tea and crumpets?
That may be case, according to a diary uncovered in southern England last year but only now being made public.
Julian Pooley, the manager of the Surrey History Centre, said Thursday he has authenticated a reference to baseball in a diary by English lawyer William Bray dating back to 1755 -- about 50 years before what was previously believed to have been the first known reference to what became the American pastime.
"I know his handwriting very well," Pooley told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, adding he believed the game wasn't very common at the time. "He printed it to show it was new to him. He doesn't mention baseball again. It was something that seemed special."
Bray wrote that he played the game with both men and women on the day after Easter, a traditional holiday in England.
"He was about 18 or 19 (at the time of the diary entry)," Pooley said. "He was a very social man. He enjoyed sports."
The entry reads:
"Easter Monday 31 March 1755
"Went to Stoke Ch. This morning. After Dinner Went to Miss Jeale's to play at Base Ball with her, the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford & H. Parsons & Jelly. Drank Tea and stayed till 8."
Baseball has long been thought to have been an American invention, with roots in the British games of rounders and cricket.
The first recorded competitive baseball game took place in Hoboken, New Jersey, in 1846 between the Alexander Cartwright's Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York and the New York Nine. The first professional team played in 1869 and the first professional league started two years later.
Bray, who died in 1832, kept a diary for much of his life and wrote a history of Surrey. He also transcribed and published the diary and writings of English writer John Evelyn.
Pooley said he first became aware of Bray's reference in July 2007 after local historian Tricia St. John Barry notified Major League Baseball to say she found a notation of the game that predated their own findings.
"She said, `... I've got a reference in a diary I found in the shed,"' Pooley said.
Pooley said St. John Barry only told MLB about the diary after researchers came to England last year working on a movie by Major League Baseball Advanced Media called "Base Ball Discovered," which examines the origins of the sport.
"She didn't realize its significance (before that)," Pooley said.
The movie is to be shown next week at the Baseball Film Festival in Cooperstown, New York, the home of the sport's Hall of Fame.
"While filming our documentary in England, we met Tricia, who responded to a BBC piece on our film crew being in country, looking at the roots of baseball," MLB.com said on its Web site. "This discovery places William Bray in a new role of importance and provides insight into baseball's beginnings."
The Surrey History Centre said there is a reference to baseball that came earlier than Bray's, but it appears in a fictional book by John Newberry called "A Little Pretty Pocket-Book." Jane Austen's "Northanger Abbey" also refers to baseball. It was written in 1798 but not published until 1817.
"It is a game steeped in history and now Surrey County Council's History Centre and an inquisitive local historian have provided the earliest manuscript proof that the game the Americans gave to the world came from England," said Helyn Clack, an executive member for safer and stronger communities at Surrey County Council.
A copy of the diary is to go on display at Surrey History Centre on Saturday.
"There are two kinds of people in this game: those who are humble and those who are about to be." Clint Hurdle
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by spizzlepop:
This from SI [QUOTE/]

Can anyone wait for SI's Swimsuit edition of
"Base Ball Discovered" ? Smile

Debate on baseball origins had raged for decades, heating up in the first years of the 20th century.
And I guess the debate will continue toward the 21st century.

Baseball and other wood bat, ball and running games, as developed from earlier folk games, where believed to have roots in England, Scottland
and other similar games across Asia.

In Romanian, Oina is similar in some ways to baseball.

In Russia, Lapta used a bat and ball in a game since the 1300s.

Germans played Schlagball, which was similar to rounders. A "bowler", a "striker," who ran around a circuit of bases without getting hit with the ball by a defender.

Americans, in the early mid 1700 until mid 1800's played "Town Ball" and others including "Base Ball", "Goal Ball", "Round Ball", "Fletch-catch", and simply "Base".

Typically
- Teams pitched to themselves,
- Runners went around the opposite bases
- Players could be put out by being hit with the
ball like in Schlagball.

Some believe the folk games resulted in a game called town ball, from which baseball was derived. Other don't believe that.

The diarist William Bray recorded a game of baseball on Easter Monday 1755 in the District of Guildford, which is the Shire county of Surrey as located in the South East Region of England, whereas the town itself has Saxon roots.

However, the first known instance of the word baseball in print was from a 1744 publication in England by John Newbery called A Little Pretty Pocket-Book.
A second edition of The Boy’s Own Book included in 1828 rules of rounders as published in London by William Clarke.

A book entitled "The Sports and Pastimes of the People of England" by Joseph Strutt (in 1801) claims baseball-like games can be traced back to the 14th century. Some purist believe Baseball is a descendant of a United Kingdom game called stoolball. References to stoolball have been located in a poem by William Pagula, in 1330, who recommended to priests that the game be forbidden within churchyards.

While travelling to Cooperstown's Baseball Hall of Fame, HoF record keeper Jeff Idelson stated, "Baseball wasn't really born anywhere!"
He goes on to explain his view point the evolution of the game was long and continuous and has no clear, identifiable single origin.

I look forward to "Base Ball Discovered" and am interested in their view points of the origins of the sport.
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Originally posted by spizzlepop:
Around my neighborhood the kids still play a traditional game called Catch Fetch. You don't catch it you fetch Wink


I can remember teaching the elementary kids around these parts, line ball. Some of those very same "kids" are now playing pro ball (baseball, football, basketball or winning Gold Medals)

Unofficial Bear's Line Ball Rules
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TM pending

cheers
Bear
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