Is there a point where it has to be done on the field?

Its not only about talent but also who you know. Take Pete Rose. I played against his son and he didnt even deserve to be playing baseball, but look where his name and contacts got him.

Petes kid was not a bad minor leaguer---to say he "didn't even deserve to be playing baseball" is doing him a disservice and ypurself as well interms of your talent judgement--correct me if I am wrong but I think he had at least one cup of coffee in the bigs!!

Rose Jr was drafted in the 12th round. I doubt an organization would waste a 12th being nice. As for his MLB time, I'd be less skeptical if it was with a team other than the Reds.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Petes kid was not a bad minor leaguer---to say he "didn't even deserve to be playing baseball" is doing him a disservice and ypurself as well interms of your talent judgement--correct me if I am wrong but I think he had at least one cup of coffee in the bigs!!

I didnt keep up with his career. All I can tell you is how bad he was prior to playing in the minors. Its not always about the talent as to how far you can get. Plus there were better kids on his team talent wise that I dont believe they got the shot he did.

It's a known fact that teams draft or sign their players sons (former players, coaches, scouts, etc). I don't see that as a bad thing, and they do have to prove themselves just like everyone else does. So yes often times it is about who you know for some players. I can't see taking someon in teh 12th round either as a favor. You stated that you were in HS with him, I am not sure how good HS players can be at predicting future talent. And do remember, it is so often hit and miss.

I think this is a good topic, it's hard to understand why a player gets attention (or opposite no attention) from coaches, scouts.
At hitting close to 90, definetly is college material. As far as a great game, so much goes into that, and it may very well be that he does better with better team behind him or in showcases. Or he has the stuff but doesn't know how to use it.

What I don't understand is why coaches tell others someone else's business. Is that the norm?

He could have gone to some showcase events and done very well. Maybe he threw some great pens in front of some college coaches. I have seen some hs pitchers that were not very successful for many reasons. Poor defense behind them , poor catching , bad umpires , arm tired from over use , the list goes on and on.

Good for this kid. I hope he gets some opportunties. I have seen kids highly ranked K four times in the same hs game. I have also heard people say at these games "Man is he over rated." I have also seen these same kids mash top level arms in the summer with wood.

I went to see a lhp a couple of weeks ago that I had seen last season in hs. He was not very good that day. I kept hearing he was really good so I wanted to take in another game with him on the hill. He was outstanding.

Every game is a new game and that is fact !!!!

Peter Edward "PJ" Rose Jr. (born November 16, 1969 in Cincinnati, Ohio) is a professional baseball player who is currently a free agent. The son of Major League Baseball's all-time hits leader Pete Rose, Pete Jr. has played in the minor leagues most of his career except for a brief stint in 1997 for the Cincinnati Reds.
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the guy did ok for not very good. beats working.

RJM
What is the point that this should be brought up on a national message board ?

It should be all positive here dude. JMO

Actually I think it is an interesting topic of conversation, as long as it stays general. It's always a puzzle to me how some kids get so much attention and press while others seem to get overlooked. There's just so many variables that go into making it at every level of the sport - luck is definitely one, as are having the right contacts. Talent is a big part as well, of course, but there are lots and lots of kids with talent who never get a chance. So it is indeed interesting to me.

It's probably a lot like the rest of life... sometimes how things work out is a complete mystery.

To answer the original question - yes, it seems like a player who is getting all that attention should indeed be bringing it to the field, but the mystery element might be working for him here. Good for him to get the chance, but he's going to have to show it eventually or it's going no where. The cream will rise - it always does.

Is it possible the talk you're hearing is just that... talk? We have a parent on our team who talks incessantly about all the schools that are interested in her kid - but if you listen long enough (lucky you!), you realize she's talking about the same three or four schools over and over again. To the unobservant, you might think her kid was the second coming. So, who knows? Time will tell.

IMO It is not very interesting to hear a parent talk bad about a player, especially about one on his own team. It was not a general comment.

How would any of us feel if RJM (or anyone)said that about your son or daughter?

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Originally posted by 3up-3down:
RJM
What is the point that this should be brought up on a national message board ?

It should be all positive here dude. JMO

First off, I don't know if you're a kid who hasn't been taught manners or an immature young adult, but you do not address grown adults as "dude." It's rude and discourteous.

I see a board with a lot of knowledge and experience. I've been very careful what I've posted so the player can't be determined. I'm sure there isn't just one kid n the country who fits the description of the post. I didn't make it about a kid. I made it about a situation that doesn't make sense. I've refrained from responding to some of the posts since being more definitive might make the kid recognizable if anyone from our high school saw the post. But chances are the dads who would come to this site would be curious to know too. I'm not the only one baffled by the situation. Others just think the kid and the dad are lying.

The situation baffles me. If you saw his PG results, you would be baffled too. If you knew him you would also know there's misinformation (how's that for PC?) on his page.

They say you gotta be good and lucky. Timing is everything too. Did the player do stuff at these showcases and impress?. Maybe they see something in this player. Who knows. In the end, if the player has maxed out, you would think it would catch up to him at the college level anyway. So he'll either continue to develop and get better each year or he won't and will be passed by others.

IMO the key to early activity from recruiters is a showcase event. Not a tournament, but an individual PG showcase event. If you show well at these events and get a good rating letters and other interest starts.

Again, IMO this applies more to hitters. It is easier to see and show your talent as a pitcher at a tournament. If a pitcher throws a good MPH # at an WWBA event he can be noticed and possibly listed in the Top 200/500 ratings. A hitter is harder to notice when multiple games are going on during the week.

Regardless of where and when someone gets on the radar, he will eventually have to show his talents in games.

RJM,
Touches 87 or works 87 on a good day? I'd be surprised at more than mild interest if it is only touching 87 unless there's something more such as good movement at that velocity, or a potentially above average off speed pitch or two.

However, the fact is that the kid who is pitching well in HS in the upper 70s or low 80s may be less interesting to a D1 program than the kid who is mid to upper 80s with less success in HS. The upper 70s to low 80s kid can get away with pitches in HS especially to weaker parts of the batting order that they just aren't going to get away with at the D1 level. That doesn't mean it is impossible to be effective at those velocities at the D1 level, because there are pitchers who have done it, it is just not very likely.

For example, at one of our local HS programs there was a kid who pitched very well last year against nationally ranked teams working around 83-84. To the best of my knowledge he didn't get a lot of D1 interest. On the other hand there's a kid pitching for the same team with less success who throws 90+. He's been signed by a top tier D1. Another kid from a different local school, a sidearmer throwing 83-84 did well in one of the national HS tournaments last year and was signed by a top tier D1 so you never know.