Ivy Fall Camps

If there are still open spots.  Years ago, Harvard's previous coach said they didn't stop recruiting until all Likely Letter slots were used - and that could last through March.

I would also bet that local D3s would also be there.

Son went to the Harvard one (saw it has a waiting list), and the Penn Camp. At the Penn camp the coaches said they have recruited from the camp for that year. Schools that interest your son should be able to voice where they are with 2017 class. I would agree that the schools would recruit from these camps. I may have doubts that it would be a player that the school has never met or communicated with. If your son is a pitcher, I would guess chances would be higher, especially a LHP.

I'd say it's possible that a 2017 could get recruited at those camps, but the likelihood may be related to the coaches having previous knowledge or contact with your son.  As Ripken suggested, a pitcher, especially LHP, can separate himself from the crowd more quickly.  I also agree with Goosegg that there is a good chance other schools may be there as well.  You might check Perfect Game for 2017 commitments to each school to see if they have recruited others at your son's position.

PLB,

My son was recruited and offered at one of these camps 6 years ago as a rising senior.  My thoughts are the coaches use these specific camps to :

1) see someone again.  Usually it takes more than one coach to see a recruit more than one time to get sign off on an offer.  Example, RC brings in a RHP for PC/HC evaluate.  Coaches agree recruit is a good fit and they offer.

2) get a diamond in the rough either athletically (previous D1 recruits) or academically that the coaches missed over the summer.  Recruits that have been previously offered by D1 mid-major programs that are looking for something different or a different challenge will come to these camps.  Also, potential athletic talent that had been previously overlooked by the coaches but can be further developed.  However that recruit must have extraordinary academics.

The difference between Ivy recruits that have been previously offered (before these camps), and the recruits hoping to catch the coaches eyes at these prospect camps mostly lies in the support the Coach is going to provide either as a Likely Letter w/ED or just ED support.  In other words, the early bird gets the worm in some cases.  So, for example your son may attend one of these camps.  Because the Coach has already confirmed 5 offered  Likely Letters recruits prior to the camp,  he'll be looking for another 3 recruits that are willing to apply ED with his support but no Likely Letter.  Again, the early bird gets the Likely Letter worm.  The ED route with no Likely Letter can be a little more risky.

I hope that helps.  JMO.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge of these later camps.  Very helpful.

Son just received an email from an Ivy coach that their school "recruiting class 2017 is officially complete" and they turn attention to 2018s and 2019s. Not sure whether that's true for all Ivies or just for this school. If that's the case, it seems like the time to attend the camp is in junior year.  

Bogeyorpar posted:

Son just received an email from an Ivy coach that their school "recruiting class 2017 is officially complete" and they turn attention to 2018s and 2019s. Not sure whether that's true for all Ivies or just for this school. If that's the case, it seems like the time to attend the camp is in junior year.  

Bogey, assuming your son is 2017?  Which Ivy is that if you're willing to share.  

My son is 2018 so we're all ears to all here.

I noticed last year most of the Ivy's have winter camps, but in some cases it's a long travel for a 1 day camp.

If a 2018 is positioning himself correctly: he's already been emailing to coaches along with submitting skills video.  Maybe the player has been seen at a recent Stanford Camp, recent HF, or upcoming HF in Jupiter.

If there are indications of interest, then and only then, go to the specific Ivy winter camp?  Follow up with June HF camp regardless?  

This would put a 2018 in July prior to his senior year.  He should know by then where he stands with Ivy coaches?

Thoughts?  Any other suggested templates by you wise ones?

Gov posted:

Bogeyorpar posted:

Son just received an email from an Ivy coach that their school "recruiting class 2017 is officially complete" and they turn attention to 2018s and 2019s. Not sure whether that's true for all Ivies or just for this school. If that's the case, it seems like the time to attend the camp is in junior year.  

Bogey, assuming your son is 2017?  Which Ivy is that if you're willing to share.  

My son is 2018 so we're all ears to all here.

No, mine is 2018 as well. I'm also just trying to figure out how to play the (recruiting) game with Ivies and high academics.

At the June HF camp, the same coach told the parents that he, and other Ivies/high academics, need to see SAT/ACT scores and GPA/AP at least up to Spring of Junior year. And by end of August he's already done with 2017. So that leave the recruiting window very short -- basically Spring and Summer before Senior year.

Bogeyorpar posted:

Gov posted:

Bogeyorpar posted:

Son just received an email from an Ivy coach that their school "recruiting class 2017 is officially complete" and they turn attention to 2018s and 2019s. Not sure whether that's true for all Ivies or just for this school. If that's the case, it seems like the time to attend the camp is in junior year.  

Bogey, assuming your son is 2017?  Which Ivy is that if you're willing to share.  

My son is 2018 so we're all ears to all here.

No, mine is 2018 as well. I'm also just trying to figure out how to play the (recruiting) game with Ivies and high academics.

At the June HF camp, the same coach told the parents that he, and other Ivies/high academics, need to see SAT/ACT scores and GPA/AP at least up to Spring of Junior year. And by end of August he's already done with 2017. So that leave the recruiting window very short -- basically Spring and Summer before Senior year.

Got it, thanks.  Sent you a PM

I believe the Ivy window is actually opening at the other end of the recruiting calendar.  Assuming you have the baseball talent, grab some attention at camps and showcases and knock out your SAT/ACT the Spring of Sophomore year or Fall of Junior year... that is how I see this going (earlier) over the last 2-3 years.  If you can do that, you can give yourself a lot of options both at the traditional D1 level as well as D1 Ivy and D1 Patriot.  Options gives the recruit leverage.  There are several folks on here who have done this recently.  If my son was going to go through this again, that is the path we would go down.  JMO.

fenwaysouth posted:

I believe the Ivy window is actually opening at the other end of the recruiting calendar.  Assuming you have the baseball talent, grab some attention at camps and showcases and knock out your SAT/ACT the Spring of Sophomore year or Fall of Junior year... that is how I see this going (earlier) over the last 2-3 years.  If you can do that, you can give yourself a lot of options both at the traditional D1 level as well as D1 Ivy and D1 Patriot.  Options gives the recruit leverage.  There are several folks on here who have done this recently.  If my son was going to go through this again, that is the path we would go down.  JMO.

Thanks Fenway.  2018's focus is preparing fro Sep ACT now.  Figured he may get lucky with a decent score early to share with coaches at HF.  

Sending you a PM.

Thanks

Would second the notion to take your SAT/ACT early if going the Ivy/High Academic Route. Fall of Junior year is a time that would give you a test score and allow a retake before Spring Jr HS season. In addition, a number of scholar athletes are in "test mode" in Fall Junior year, because that is the time where juniors take the PSAT for National Merit Scholarships. WInter camps are good if you know in fact you know school is interested (may be tough to measure as other threads indicate). As always, consider cost, distance, etc.

Curious why Penn doesn't attend Headfirst?  After committing to HF Jupiter, we noticed Penn did commit to be at Showball the same weekend.  Curious what the draw at Showball is?  I also noticed the Brown HC flipped from HF to Showball that same weekend, and the Harvard RC switched to Showball.  Any knowledge on this?

Any experience with UPenn Camps, or recruiting or playing experience at Penn?  

We're considering 2018 attend UPenn Camp; it's on his list, they won't be at HF, and it's the first chance to get on their radar.  But, he'd be showing up like any other camper w'out any previous traction with Penn, only an email campaign.  This goes against the trend on this site to use camps to close the deal.  While we're still iffy on this, guess no harm going - manageable cost and he visits Penn.  

Thanks,

David

Gov: Son saw the same thing in recruiting journey. It is tough to find all Ivies at one event. We as parents for the players want to get the most bang for $. Son went to Penn Camp (Early September) and also made contacts with Penn in both Showball and Top96 (which they attend at events close to Philly). Son missed first night as he had a soccer game earlier in day. (Tough to ditch when he was a captain). Did find Penn Camp helpful; coaches did know son from previous contacts and sightings.

Son went to HF summer before his Jr year.. Lots of Coaches and SCORES of players. Looking back he definitely got more traction from the 2 Showball Mega Camps he attended. Contact seemed to be easier at Showball, along with Top96, where you can interact with coaches in dugout, drills, etc. 

JMO. Every journey is different. In son's case, a school camp didn't "seal the deal", but it moved the INTEREST NEEDLE from prospect to recruit. The individual camp resulted in coach visits to both his HS and Summer games which preceded offer. Good luck! PM if you wish.

Hi Gov - If you need specific Penn info, feel free to shoot me a PM.  I don't have any specific insight as to why they are not attending HF, other than to speculate that they must think the time and opportunities for the program are better at Showball.  Given that a couple other Ivy programs are making the same choice, it seems logical.

It's getting crazier. I just checked Showball web site. They are running two camps themselves at exactly the same time (nov 5,6), one in Florida, one in California. So now there's at least 3 "high academic camps" those two days, and some coach's names show up at multiple places.

Bogeyorpar posted:

It's getting crazier. I just checked Showball web site. They are running two camps themselves at exactly the same time (nov 5,6), one in Florida, one in California. So now there's at least 3 "high academic camps" those two days, and some coach's names show up at multiple places.

Yup..was laughing that Columbia Coach is at all three.  HF & Showball had Brown HC going to both earlier...  Wonder what the flock to Showball is?

Gov posted:

Bogeyorpar posted:

It's getting crazier. I just checked Showball web site. They are running two camps themselves at exactly the same time (nov 5,6), one in Florida, one in California. So now there's at least 3 "high academic camps" those two days, and some coach's names show up at multiple places.

Yup..was laughing that Columbia Coach is at all three.  HF & Showball had Brown HC going to both earlier...  Wonder what the flock to Showball is?

... and what is the big deal of Nov 5 and 6? There are many weekends in Nov, why everything is scheduled on this one weekend?

Gov posted:.

Yup..was laughing that Columbia Coach is at all three.  HF & Showball had Brown HC going to both earlier...  Wonder what the flock to Showball is?

Scientific Wild A$$ Guess...... Showball is paying the coaches more money to appear (flock) at their event? Just a guess.  Remember, ladies and gentlemen this is a business. 

I'm really shocked that a coach would go to another venue willing to pay them more.  Ha..

i did hear from an AC Volunteer Coach that volunteer coaches are not allowed at Showball.  Would be unfortunate if HF gets more of the AC Volunteer's.

Bogeyorpar posted:

Gov posted:

Bogeyorpar posted:

It's getting crazier. I just checked Showball web site. They are running two camps themselves at exactly the same time (nov 5,6), one in Florida, one in California. So now there's at least 3 "high academic camps" those two days, and some coach's names show up at multiple places.

Yup..was laughing that Columbia Coach is at all three.  HF & Showball had Brown HC going to both earlier...  Wonder what the flock to Showball is?

... and what is the big deal of Nov 5 and 6? There are many weekends in Nov, why everything is scheduled on this one weekend?

Dead period begins Monday Nov 7, 2016

Do the Ivy schools have robust Fall ball programs for their team or is Fall practice for them less than other D1 schools? 

Baseball-Dad posted:

Do the Ivy schools have robust Fall ball programs for their team or is Fall practice for them less than other D1 schools? 

From what I've seen it's a combination of intersquad games (which offers the incoming freshmen an early opportunity) coupled with a limited number of scrimmages with schools (D1/D2/D3) of close distance. Some programs run a mini-weekend tourney/round robin with those teams. A tryout would precede the games which allows for a walk-on to make the roster.

Baseball-Dad posted:

Do the Ivy schools have robust Fall ball programs for their team or is Fall practice for them less than other D1 schools? 

Robust would not be a word I would use to describe the Fall ball practices and scrimmages.  Sure it is competitive, and jobs are won in the Fall for the Spring.  You better show up in excellent physical shape.  Lots of internal scrimmages is what my son went through, but it is nothing like the Spring season's 20 conference games that will be played in terms of time commitment and "do or die" weekend pressure to perform.

I agree that taking the SAT/ACT early is a good plan for elite academic schools, but the one thing I would caution about is your son's physical maturity if you showcase him early.  My son had the test score wrapped up early, so we showcased fall of his Junior year.  He was tall, but hadn't put on any muscle yet and generated no Ivy interest.  He put on quite a bit of muscle that year and started hitting for power, but he is a catcher and the Ivies he was interested  in already had their catchers spots filled (either it wasn't a year they were recruiting catchers or already had their eye on another kid).  There is so much to take into consideration.  Just make sure Ivy isn't the only direction you are looking.  I just dropped my son at an elite academic D3 for his first year and he couldn't be happier!

Matty posted:

There is so much to take into consideration.  Just make sure Ivy isn't the only direction you are looking.  I just dropped my son at an elite academic D3 for his first year and he couldn't be happier!

I agree, Matty -- so glad your son wound up with a good fit!  Congratulations!