Jeter Play..

piaa

I don't think it was a matter of out or safe but the answer he gave Jeter when Jeter questioned him

TR,
oh absolutely, my intent on showing this picture was just to illustrate an inherent weakness in the 2 man umpiring system.....this picture is the view 95% of us umpire would get on this play...

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oh absolutely, my intent on showing this picture was just to illustrate an inherent weakness in the 2 man umpiring system.....this picture is the view 95% of us umpire would get on this play...

I don't expect to see 3 or 4-man crews anytime soon in high school baseball. You just gotta call what you see. That picture would show him being "out." I wonder though, what would the umpire really see from behind the mound? That picture appears too low to the ground; not the same view the umpire would have.

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
This play has been discussed at the MLB level elsewhere on this site, and I dont want to get in to the right/wrong issue of that call....PLUS its usually not productive for us HS/College variety umpires to comment on MLB umpiring issues as the vast majority of us rarely get to be part of a 4 man umpiring crew...

But I found this picture interesting as it is almost the textbook example of what an umpire in the 2 man system (position c) would have seen on that same play...

after viewing the slow mo replays of the real play I know I would have been wrong, but at game speed, at this angle...In our games.... I would have to call this as an out...

From that angle and in a 2-man system douing HS games, if the play was called an out, it wouldn't be a big deal because from that angle in a bang-bang play, it could look like an out and if that's what the ump saw from where he was positioned. If that same HS ump said that the ball got there first so the tag wasn't necessary, he too should go back and learn the rules. The thing is with those 2-man crews is that they should get some more slack on those close plays because they're at a disadvantage.

However, in an MLB game with a 4-man crew and umps on top of the play coupled in with what that umpire used as his argument, he was completely wrong and has no excuse. If in his mind, the ball beat the runner was his mindset, that says he wasn't looking for the 3rd baseman to complete the tag, and if he was on the play, he should've caught it. As far as I know, tags are part of the game too

The positioning called for in four man also would provide the view of this being an out in real time.

In regards to what Marty allegedly said to Jeter, we only have Jeter's word on that.

Of course a professional who just got caught trying for third when he shouldn't have would never color what an umpire said. Never.

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In regards to what Marty allegedly said to Jeter, we only have Jeter's word on that.

Of course a professional who just got caught trying for third when he shouldn't have would never color what an umpire said. Never.

There must be some truth to it.. there was no correction made was there? MLB didn't say anything about it? If Jeter had out and out lied MLB or somebody connected to the umpires would have taken some sort of action.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
If Jeter had out and out lied MLB or somebody connected to the the umpires would have taken some sort of action.

The jury is out on that. Let's see how many similar calls go Jeter's way when he's on defense.

MLB umpires have a long tradition of not getting into a he said/he said situation with players or managers. Overpaid players, and their union, have no such policy.

Again, no one on this board knows what Marty said. They only know what Jeter said. Apparently that's enough for some.

It just amazes me how he umpiring brethren protect each other---the brothers can do no wrong---all this ump had to do was simply say" I called you out. Therefore you are out>"---no need for a "Mickey Mouse" excuse

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Originally posted by TRhit:
It just amazes me how he umpiring brethren protect each other---the brothers can do no wrong---all this ump had to do was simply say" I called you out. Therefore you are out>"---no need for a "Mickey Mouse" excuse

You're right TR. We have to stick together. In any given game, there are 20+ lying, deceitful RATS trying to cheat their way to a win. It's our job to catch those cheaters and provide for a fair, honest game. It's a daunting task when you consider there are usually only two of us out there.